41 minutes ago, robblok said:

The wise people who cared about economics and trade voted to remain. The nationalists who thought this would stop immigration and so on are the ones to blame. Nobody else.

You really don't understand the English do you who will do whatever is best for the UK.

 

The French and a few EU members who are in a comfortable position within EU are the problem on the 3 sticking points the EU has to give way on.

 

The outcome of a no deal is not what Germany wants which is one way and the only way as I see it for a compromise being achieved. 

 

A no deal is not a problem for UK that's the reason for UK's hard line position, UK will just go WTO and can fly and sail around Europe.

The EU would suffer more with a no deal if the real truth would be known because what you would see then is more unhappy members in EU wanting to get out too.

 

It will be interesting indeed to see the outcome.

25 minutes ago, Susco said:

 

It is indeed not a massive tumble, though it is a DECLINE, where you spread the false news, like most Brexiteers do, that it had climbed by 0.64% against the dollar.

 

Quite a difference isn't it, and it shows how delusional the Brexiteers actually are

I will take your post with the contempt it deserves its just another typical desperate remainers view of which nobody who accepts the UK's present position has any interest in anymore.

1 hour ago, Susco said:

 

Stop buying outdated newspapers because they are cheaper.

 

OMG, pound has gone off the cliff!!!!!

 

Went down 0.00873 from its height!

2 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

But they need us more than we need them. We hold all the cards. German car manufactures. Easiest trade deal in history.

Why has the EU not capitulated to our cake and eat it demands?

Because the time of Lord Kitchiner are over, only many British do not know that.

4 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Because the time of Lord Kitchiner are over, only many British do not know that.

Really, do you have a link or poll figures....?

1 hour ago, Kwasaki said:

Yeah most media overestimate as usual. 

From FT today :-

The pound has climbed 0.64% to $1.3011 against the dollar today and 0.38% to €1.1958 against the euro.

 

1,1045 | GBP/EUR » Koers Valuta | IEX.nl  You mean: 1 GBP = € 1,1045

Here we go again,same old jealous non Brits ,trying to tell us what we should have done and what we don’t understand. I wouldn’t go on a thread about Holland or France as it’s nothing to do with me.

Some troll posts removed, also posts dragging Trump into the topic

3 minutes ago, andyg75 said:

Here we go again,same old jealous non Brits ,trying to tell us what we should have done and what we don’t understand. I wouldn’t go on a thread about Holland or France as it’s nothing to do with me.

Exactly....

4 hours ago, Hi from France said:

a summary of present state of the negotiations and why they are stuck again

 

 

 

hmmm,

another summary by the weird man . . .

 

33 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

 

1,1045 | GBP/EUR » Koers Valuta | IEX.nl  You mean: 1 GBP = € 1,1045

 

Actually, if you look back 12 months GBP v USD is almost the same. GBP is actually up slightly.  Talk about project fear............

2 hours ago, vogie said:

the problems started to arise when the duplicitous remainers tried to overturn this decision

Now this is laughable. Completely made up, and factually incorrect. I wouldn't expect any better from you Vogie, the man who when faced with evidence, throws a tantrum and either denies it's existence, or say's it's not true. Quite like Donald Trump.

 

There was a court case that tried to sue Boris for lying throughout the campaign, however that case never got started, because it turns out it's not actually illegal to lie your way through a campaign.

 

Which side was duplicitous and was fined for spending more than they should have (by half a million?).

Which side was taken to court over using data from companies that they should not have been using?

Which side compared the EU to Nazi Germany to try and win a few votes? (The EU is undemocratic and resembles Nazi Germany. Boris Johnson made the statement that Hitler and Napoleon both failed to unify Europe, and the EU has done the same.)

Which side famously quoted 350 million pounds a week was going to the EU and would be funneled back into the NHS on leaving? (I'm picturing a big red bus)

 

The former boss of the Vote Leave campaign, Dominic Cummings, admits that Remain would have won without the claim that the 350 million would go back to the NHS. The UK Statistics Authority wrote to Vote Leave during the campaign stating the claim was, ‘misleading and undermines trust in official statistics’. The claim excluded the UK’s rebate, as well as payments received by the UK from the EU. It also fails to take into account the contribution to the Treasury from trade and business that would not be present without the EU single market. The government also has shown no sign of spending the £350m extra a week on the NHS if the UK leaves the EU. 

 

Here are 7 more lies (with evidence) that sent Britain down this stupid, foolish, arrogant, and self harming fallacy.

https://www.shoutoutuk.org/2019/11/01/top-8-brexit-lies-debunked/

 

The facts remain, had the leave team not lied, we would not be leaving the EU. Furthermore, the British people have realised this, and if given a second referendum, would have rejected leaving the EU. It's Boris (An American!) and his cronies that are leading this charge against the will of the British people.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-a-second-eu-referendum-were-held-today-how-would-you-vote/

 

 

 

Edited December 8, 20205 yr by 2530Ubon

Hope he doesn't forget to take his cap.

2 minutes ago, 2530Ubon said:

Now this is laughable. Completely made up, and factually incorrect. I wouldn't expect any better from you Vogie, the man who when faced with evidence, throws a tantrum and either denies it's existence, or say's it's not true. Quite like Donald Trump.

 

Which side was duplicitous and was fined for spending more than they should have (by half a million?).

Which side was taken to court over using data from companies that they should not have been using?

Which side compared the EU to Nazi Germany to try and win a few votes? (The EU is undemocratic and resembles Nazi Germany. Boris Johnson made the statement that Hitler and Napoleon both failed to unify Europe, and the EU has done the same.)

Which side famously quoted 350 million pounds a week was going to the EU and would be funneled back into the NHS on leaving? (I'm picturing a big red bus)

 

The former boss of the Vote Leave campaign, Dominic Cummings, admits that Remain would have won without the claim that the 350 million would go back to the NHS. The UK Statistics Authority wrote to Vote Leave during the campaign stating the claim was, ‘misleading and undermines trust in official statistics’. The claim excluded the UK’s rebate, as well as payments received by the UK from the EU. It also fails to take into account the contribution to the Treasury from trade and business that would not be present without the EU single market. The government also has shown no sign of spending the £350m extra a week on the NHS if the UK leaves the EU. 

 

Here are 7 more lies (with evidence) that sent Britain down this stupid, foolish, arrogant, and self harming fallacy.

https://www.shoutoutuk.org/2019/11/01/top-8-brexit-lies-debunked/

 

The facts remain, had the leave team not lied, we would not be leaving the EU. Furthermore, the British people have realised this, and if given a second referendum, would have rejected leaving the EU. It's Boris (An American!) and his cronies that are leading this charge against the will of the British people.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-a-second-eu-referendum-were-held-today-how-would-you-vote/

 

 

 

A bunch of assumptions......

9 minutes ago, sungod said:

 

Actually, if you look back 12 months GBP v USD is almost the same. GBP is actually up slightly.  Talk about project fear............

 

2 minutes ago, transam said:

A bunch of assumptions......

Assumptions?

 

Just to clarify, I'm not a complete moron, (the Mrs would sometimes disagree) I understand the word. What are the assumptions you would be referring to?

Edited December 8, 20205 yr by 2530Ubon
clarity

Just now, 2530Ubon said:

Assumptions?

Yes, it means guesswork and fuddy duddy stuff, The Guardian and Independent are really good at that too.....

Please Ursula, can I have deal?

1 minute ago, transam said:

Yes, it means guesswork and fuddy duddy stuff, The Guardian and Independent are really good at that too.....

Ah, another chap who doesn't believe in statistical evidence.

The Telegraph & Daily mail - both conservative papers have the same facts and figures. They can't be 'massaged' to suit brexiteer viewpoints. The country, had we not been lied to, would have elected to remain in the EU. The leader of team leave admits it himself:

 

Buried in a 19,800 word Spectator essay written by former online editor and Vote Leave director Dominic Cummings is an admission: The Brexit referendum was won by lying to the public.https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/vote-leave-director-admits-won-lied-public/08/02/

1 hour ago, Kwasaki said:

You really don't understand the English do you who will do whatever is best for the UK.

 

The French and a few EU members who are in a comfortable position within EU are the problem on the 3 sticking points the EU has to give way on.

 

The outcome of a no deal is not what Germany wants which is one way and the only way as I see it for a compromise being achieved. 

 

A no deal is not a problem for UK that's the reason for UK's hard line position, UK will just go WTO and can fly and sail around Europe.

The EU would suffer more with a no deal if the real truth would be known because what you would see then is more unhappy members in EU wanting to get out too.

 

It will be interesting indeed to see the outcome.

I really wonder where you studied economics. I think you did not.

 

Suppose both sides EU and UK both lose out a bit then that bit that is lost out in the EU is spread out over all its members. While that same amount of loss will hit  much smaller economy (the UK) much harder. 

 

If 1 billion of trade is lost then the loss is spread out over all EU countries while the 1 billion that is lost will be hitting the UK all alone. 

 

Ill make it even easier suppose you and Bill gates trade and all of a sudden you break of trade. Who do you think would feel the result more in their wallet you (the poorer less large economy) or Bill Gates. I cant explain it any simpler if you still don't understand go back to school.

 

The only reason there is a hard line from the UK is that otherwise BJ would loose even more of his credibility.

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, robblok said:

I really wonder where you studied economics. I think you did not.

 

Suppose both sides EU and UK both lose out a bit then that bit that is lost out in the EU is spread out over all its members. While that same amount of loss will hit  much smaller economy (the UK) much harder. 

 

If 1 billion of trade is lost then the loss is spread out over all EU countries while the 1 billion that is lost will be hitting the UK all alone. 

 

Ill make it even easier suppose you and Bill gates trade and all of a sudden you break of trade. Who do you think would feel the result more in their wallet you (the poorer less large economy) or Bill Gates. I cant explain it any simpler if you still don't understand go back to school.

 

The only reason there is a hard line from the UK is that otherwise BJ would loose even more of his credibility.

 

 

 

 

Note: That is with a deal!!!

Edited December 8, 20205 yr by Surelynot

6 minutes ago, robblok said:

I really wonder where you studied economics. I think you did not.

 

Suppose both sides EU and UK both lose out a bit then that bit that is lost out in the EU is spread out over all its members. While that same amount of loss will hit  much smaller economy (the UK) much harder. 

 

If 1 billion of trade is lost then the loss is spread out over all EU countries while the 1 billion that is lost will be hitting the UK all alone.

Brexit folks tend to forget that we are just a small island - Thailand is a larger country (by size) than our piddly little landmass. With other nations wishing to leave the 'UK', we are only going to get smaller and more and more irrelevant. Whereas once we were part of the big three in the EU (UK, France and Germany) and a leader on the world stage, we are now alone in our solitude.

 

If our education standards were better, and economic inequality wasn't so terrible, perhaps the British public wouldn't have been fooled by the countless lies that got us into this situation.

Edited December 8, 20205 yr by 2530Ubon

1 minute ago, 2530Ubon said:

If our education standards were better,

How could education standards be better?.....our Eton education system has brought us Johnson, Cameron, Macmillan, Eden......oh! I see what you mean.

8 minutes ago, 2530Ubon said:

Ah, another chap who doesn't believe in statistical evidence.

The Telegraph & Daily mail - both conservative papers have the same facts and figures. They can't be 'massaged' to suit brexiteer viewpoints. The country, had we not been lied to, would have elected to remain in the EU. The leader of team leave admits it himself:

 

Buried in a 19,800 word Spectator essay written by former online editor and Vote Leave director Dominic Cummings is an admission: The Brexit referendum was won by lying to the public.https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/vote-leave-director-admits-won-lied-public/08/02/

Total nonsense from an aggrieved.....

Are you saying the remain camp never said a word on the lead up to the vote, or did they spout large amounts that did nothing and the reason they didn't win the Brexit vote, or they were all squeaky clean were they......????

 

We had years of the remain camp MP's trying to fluck things up yet in the General Election what happened..?

 

Tell me, WHAT HAPPENED in the General Election, did the Brexiteers all leave the Tories on mass because of lies, no, it was the opposite sunbeam........????.......????

36 minutes ago, 2530Ubon said:

I wouldn't expect any better from you Vogie, the man who when faced with evidence, throws a tantrum and either denies it's existence, or say's it's not true. Quite like Donald Trump

If you cannot debate like a member should debate without throwing out your little insults and having to bring D Trump into it, are you so bitter, does it make you feel better.

You have part quoted me, why don't you show what I actually said instead of cherry picking a part of it.

If you allow me to borrow one of your quotes: 

"I think I'll end it here. I don't wish to waste my time any further. Good day to you sir."

Oops, almost forgot, on ignore.

 

 

Edited December 8, 20205 yr by vogie

19 minutes ago, robblok said:

I really wonder where you studied economics. I think you did not.

 

Suppose both sides EU and UK both lose out a bit then that bit that is lost out in the EU is spread out over all its members. While that same amount of loss will hit  much smaller economy (the UK) much harder. 

 

If 1 billion of trade is lost then the loss is spread out over all EU countries while the 1 billion that is lost will be hitting the UK all alone. 

 

Ill make it even easier suppose you and Bill gates trade and all of a sudden you break of trade. Who do you think would feel the result more in their wallet you (the poorer less large economy) or Bill Gates. I cant explain it any simpler if you still don't understand go back to school.

 

The only reason there is a hard line from the UK is that otherwise BJ would loose even more of his credibility.

 

 

 

More tosh, the only thing you think about is money, you just cannot grasp the fact that Brits want to leave your dodgy club run by the Germans and French.

We know by your posts you are quite happy with your cuddly situation but you do not understand others thoughts.

 

Hungary, Poland, Italy and others are also fed up with your club, but you need the EU, you told us so...

7 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

How could education standards be better?.....our Eton education system has brought us Johnson, Cameron, Macmillan, Eden......oh! I see what you mean.

 

Boris Johnson will be in the history books as the man who singlehandedly destroyed the United Kingdom. If i was a QAnon conspiracy theorist, I would think that this is America's 'revenge' for subjugation and burning down the white house & Capitol buildings. A wolf in sheeps clothing if you will.

 

Send in an American born man, make him look like a childish, friendly buffoon who couldn't harm a fly.

 

Then, slowly start to dismantle all of our achievements. One could hardly forget none other than Sir Winston Churchill was the founding father of the EU. But hey, let's get out man!

 

Dismantle the UK - he has been poking fun at Nicola Sturgeon and making comments such as devolution was a big mistake etc. Now the tories and UK government are so despised, that polls suggest Scotland will break away if given another vote.

22 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

 

Note: That is with a deal!!!

Where did you get that from, would you mind providing a link with all your memes? Thanks.

1 minute ago, vogie said:

Where did you get that from, would you mind providing a link with all your memes? Thanks.

The Daily Express......555

21 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

 

Note: That is with a deal!!!

1939-45 cost the UK a lot more than that, we got over it and prospered. So stop worrying about the UK....????