3 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Manual skills what are these exactly. I admit that some UK people have a virus called 'lazyitious' but bending over and picking up things, I didn't realise they were better trained.

 

Have you any links for this. I would be intrigued to see some evidence other than a hunch.

First link, 

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2020/4/16/eastern-europeans-flown-in-for-vital-jobs-on-uk-german-farms

10 hours ago, Proboscis said:

That is a thought that has already been played out. When covid restrictions kicked in earlier this year, the eastern Europeans were not able to come to work at the beginning and the growers tried to hire locals. Of course, by locals is not meant people living nearby but people from the UK. It was thought that the unemployment caused by covid would create an army of willing agricultural workers. Unfortunately the numbers who showed up were disappointingly small. And they did not have the manual skills that the east Europeans have. Eventually, the restrictions were eased so that plane loads of east Europeans were allowed to enter the UK to do the work.

 

Whenever I read "labor shortage" and scratch the surface, it usually comes down to "**** wages" and/or horrendous living conditions. 

 

Wanna prove it?  Offer up $150K a year and see how many people show up, more than willing to get their hands dirty.  That'll establish that there are locals willing and able to do the work.  From there, it's just a matter of fine tuning the salary.

 

Or, you can do what globalists do.  Import cheap foreign labor.

 

absolutely, work shortage basically means "slave shortage"

 

something that can't happen, like running out of orange juice or milk or worse, toilet paper

14 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Whenever I read "labor shortage" and scratch the surface, it usually comes down to "**** wages" and/or horrendous living conditions. 

 

Wanna prove it?  Offer up $150K a year and see how many people show up, more than willing to get their hands dirty.  That'll establish that there are locals willing and able to do the work.  From there, it's just a matter of fine tuning the salary.

 

Or, you can do what globalists do.  Import cheap foreign labor.

 

Sometimes throwing money at a problem just does not do it. If you do not have the manual skills to do the job, it does not matter how much you are paid to do the job.

On 12/11/2020 at 12:58 AM, Loiner said:

Their Project Frear prognostications are now as weak and spiteful as the EU leadership. Visas for more than a three month stay? No problem at all.

I would rename project fear with consequences of going on it alone. More restrictions in travel, bad imports and exports. 

 

All things Brexiteers did not expect. Actions have consequences.. and not the ones BJ said. Easiest deal.. no problems.

 

I wonder how this will affect all the Brits that like to live in Spain and France. Life is getting harder because of Brexit. 

22 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Manual skills what are these exactly. I admit that some UK people have a virus called 'lazyitious' but bending over and picking up things, I didn't realise they were better trained.

 

Have you any links for this. I would be intrigued to see some evidence other than a hunch.

It is not just a matter of "better trained." It is a matter of growing up in an environment where harvesting crops is part of everyday life and you learn the skills as a child. How I know about these issues is that I grew up in the countryside and learned a different know-how - I knew how, for example, to pitch a bail of hay without injuring myself (pitching involves lifting a bail of hay on a pitchfork above your head onto the top of a truck), how to "stick" a bloating calf (where sticking involves using a special metal sharp implement with a metal slieve to stab a calf, whose stomach is bloating and will otherwise die, in exactly the right place), how to successfully birth a calf and when to call the expensive vet, how to recognise certain common diseases etc etc etc. There were and I assume are no classes in this. You just learn as a farmer's son.

 

As I learned the knowhow as a farmer's son on a cattle farm, the East Europeans learn their knowhow on farms and small holdings in Eastern Europe, many as young people earning a little extra money, sometimes on their own or a relatives arable farm. They can plant or harvest many times faster than any city kid or even a kid like me who grew up on a cattle farm, day after day with very low spoilage. Even the older ones can do it like that. They just have the knowhow.

 

Now I guess if you took those people and put them into a car factory they would not do so well at all. Perhaps you could have them sweeping the floor but then they would get bored with that. It is what people are brought up to do.

 

 

On ‎12‎/‎10‎/‎2020 at 6:46 PM, Upnotover said:

It seems they can get in for for tourism for 6 months without, which seems not fair enough.

Who would want to stay in the UK for tourism that long?

6 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Who would want to stay in the UK for tourism that long?

Those that can afford it, chin up chap....????

On ‎12‎/‎11‎/‎2020 at 7:20 PM, herfiehandbag said:

So, we will need Visas to enter France if we intend to stay for more than 3 months?

 

Oh dear, what a shame, never mind eh?

The UK retirees and business man in Spain might have an issue though.

8 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

The UK retirees and business man in Spain might have an issue though.

They will most likely be able to apply for long stay visa.

 

IMO this whole visa thing is blown way, way out of proportion.

13 minutes ago, transam said:

Those that can afford it, chin up chap....????

Nope, I can afford it but no way I will be going there for more than a week.

1 hour ago, FritsSikkink said:

The UK retirees and business man in Spain might have an issue though.

Well they will have to get a visa then won't they.

2 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Well they will have to get a visa then won't they.

 

  I dont think so , there was an agreement between Spain and the UK that Brits living in Spain and Spanish living in the UK , could continue living there if they have applied for residency 

On 12/11/2020 at 12:58 AM, Loiner said:

Their Project Frear prognostications are now as weak and spiteful as the EU leadership. Visas for more than a three month stay? No problem at all.

for you maybe not a problem but the ones living there maybe a burden

On 12/11/2020 at 8:33 AM, JonnyF said:

 

A couple of forms to fill in and a small fee. It's not going to be a massive invasion of privacy and reams of photos/paperwork like a Thai marriage visa that so many of this forum have to put up with.

 

Expect lots of minor issues dressed up as cataclysmic events in the coming months. 

just curious, do you live there in the UK ?

On 12/11/2020 at 12:22 PM, natway09 said:

That is logical to me as the EU will no longer be in the bloc.

This will also create revenue for the EU.

Bit surprised that they have agreed to a 3 months visa free access

they are not as bad as the brexiters make them, very polite, friendly and ready to help when and IF possible 555

On 12/11/2020 at 6:16 PM, Loiner said:

You should ask your EU countries the question in a more specific way. “Do you still want the UK’s tourist business?”

 

Start with Spain, Portugal and Greece. 

If they don't want to visit France, Portugal, Spain. Italy or Greece where do you think they will be looking for sunshine ? the North Sea, Iceland, Greenland they sure are great options 555

On 12/11/2020 at 10:25 PM, vogie said:

Only imports from the EU may become dearer, from elsewhere cheaper.

 

It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas.????

please tells us from which countries the imports will become cheaper..... maybe from North Ireland, Wales, Gibraltar, Maldives 555

2 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  I dont think so , there was an agreement between Spain and the UK that Brits living in Spain and Spanish living in the UK , could continue living there if they have applied for residency 

anything to support that

3 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

If they don't want to visit France, Portugal, Spain. Italy or Greece where do you think they will be looking for sunshine ? the North Sea, Iceland, Greenland they sure are great options 555

Nooo, most folk normally go southwards, but you do what you like.

1989, my first USA holiday around Florida, bloody brilliant....Oh, by the way, Florida is southwards and had a visa waver, just like LOS......????

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Nooo, most folk normally go southwards, but you do what you like.

1989, my first USA holiday around Florida, bloody brilliant....Oh, by the way, Florida is southwards and had a visa waver, just like LOS......????

Ah, so Spain, Portugal, France, Italy, Greece are not southwards.

How long was your Florida visa waiver for? How long is a Thailand visa waiver for for UK passport holders?

11 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

anything to support that

 

  Its been well publicised , havent you been following these last few years?

4 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

Who would want to stay in the UK for tourism that long?

1 week and depression and desperation settle in,  looking for some blue skies and sunshine.... bloody depressing country

3 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

Nope, I can afford it but no way I will be going there for more than a week.

same here

14 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

anything to support that

 

If you are legally resident in Spain before the transition period ends on 31 December 2020, you will be able to stay. You must register as a Spanish resident if you want to stay in Spain for more than 3 months. Children must also be registered with their own residency document.

If you are living in Spain before 1 January 2021 and register as a resident after 6 July 2020, you will be issued with a biometric residence card called a Tarjeta de Identidad de Extranjero (TIE). This card will prove your rights under the Withdrawal Agreement

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/living-in-spain#visas-and-residency

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Spanish government also announced it is making plans for the event of a no deal Brexit. The intention is to “globally” preserve the rights of British citizens in Spain, “considering that they have made vital decisions believing in the European project,” says a government statement.

The plan is to establish a system allowing them to transition from the current to a future legal status. There will also be measures to guarantee social security rights, healthcare and the recognition of professional qualifications for both British nationals in Spain and Spaniards in the UK.

 

https://europestreet.news/spain-uk-to-sign-bilateral-agreement-on-voting-rights-of-residents/

9 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Its been well publicised , havent you been following these last few years?

but you don't have any fact to support your comment or do you, the document is dated Sept 2020, the EU deal agreement is not done yet, thus nobody knows what will happen, I do know Spaniards are desperate for the UK pound but not at any price, have to wait and see

Edited December 13, 20205 yr by batata

2 minutes ago, batata said:

but you don't have any fact to support your comment or do you

 

  Posted above .

All E.U residents in the UK are allowed to stay and all UK residents in the E.U are also allowed to stay there , long as they have applied .

  Havent you been following the proceedings either ?

4 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Posted above .

All E.U residents in the UK are allowed to stay and all UK residents in the E.U are also allowed to stay there , long as they have applied .

  Havent you been following the proceedings either ?

so why is the French PM telling otherwise

44 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

You should read a bit more, the majority wants out. They would be much better off as England takes more than 50% of their earnings.

Link?

On 12/10/2020 at 6:09 PM, snoop1130 said:

PARIS (Reuters) - British citizens may need visas for stays in the European Union longer than three months after Brexit from Jan. 1, French European Affairs junior minister Clement Beaune said on Thursday.

 

We have known that for the last four years! Its has nothing to do with a trade deal.Its shengen rules for non-schengen states. Now if they really want to <deleted> of the UK they could say no 3 month entry visa free.