12 hours ago, habanero said:

The point is, in the U.S. the FDA takes on average 5-6 years in approving a new drug. Trump was able to get them to move the time table up.  Take it for what it's worth!

Trump did nothing of the sort, no amount of attempting to claim any credit for Trump will wash.

The man created an avoidable situation by lies, obfuscation, hubris, incomptence, inability to either listen,jnderstand or hear medicos or scientists, also his inabilty to understand even basic infection control.

Try asking the relatives of the 300,000 deal about his accumen and compassion.

 

 

On 12/11/2020 at 5:52 PM, mrfill said:

So Germany - current number of deaths = 21233, USA = 299692 - You need to multiply by 14, not 4.

Mortality rate (per 100,000) - Germany = 253, USA = 903 - not quite "about the same"

Figures from https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

Please don't post such misleading information, it really doesn't help.

 

Maybe what I meant wasn't clear.  The US has a population of 330 million, Germany 83, so 4:1.  Current US daily deaths are at 2500, Germany at 600, so essentially 4:1.  Given that both are currently increasing, related to the general point, it doesn't make sense to compare a monthly or per-nine-months average, to instead consider a weekly average as the current rate.

 

Germany is holding steady at 25,000 new cases per day for the last 6 weeks.  The US has transitioned from a level of 100,000 (back at that same time-frame, beginning of November) to a recent daily maximum of 280,000, with a two-week average a bit over 200,000. Over two weeks prior to that the average was just over 150,000, but the post-Thanksgiving increase has been significant.  Daily case stats are still higher, double the per-population rate of Germany at this point, with a clear indication that will increase in the US, instead of leveling off.

 

Part of the point is that although US pandemic case and death stats are absurd one part of that apparent absurdity is from having four times the population of most other Western nations, or more.  What comes next in the US will be different than in Europe, for sure; the spike due to the Thanksgiving will happen again, related to Christmas.

 

That wasn't about singling out Germany. The UK has a current case average of 20,000 per day, and average daily deaths close to 500.  It sounds much lower than in the US, but the population is 66 million, one fifth that of the US.  Rate of deaths per population is roughly identical to the US, case rates only half.

 

I have no idea why the current deaths per population rates are nearly identical in all three countries but the US new case rate is double that of the other two.  It seems likely that error in keeping accurate stats might be more responsible than a factor of two difference in mortality rate.  US isn't testing broadly enough to show true case counts, but that should cause the known mortality rate to look too high, not lower.

18 minutes ago, honu said:

 

Maybe what I meant wasn't clear.  The US has a population of 330 million, Germany 83, so 4:1.

 

 

The issue of comparing different countries with very different population sizes like the US and Germany is very easily solved and addressed, because per capita stats (per 100,000 or per 1M population) are readily available for CV cases, CV deaths, etc.

 

The U.S., with 7.53 daily new CV deaths per day per 1M population, is slightly worse than Germany right now.

 

 

Germany is a bit further down the list at 6.04 daily CV deaths per million population right now. But those stats are current one for daily deaths, not cumulative deaths.

 

In terms of cumulative CV deaths per capita by country, the U.S. is FAR worse than Germany, and has one of the highest cumulative CV death rates in the world.

 

 

The U.S. among the 10 worst countries with almost 918 cum CV deaths per 1M population. Germany is way further down on the list at 281 deaths cumulative per 1M population.

 

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?tab=table&zoomToSelection=true&minPopulationFilter=1000000&time=2020-07-07..latest&country=USA~GBR~ITA~DEU~KOR~ZAF~BRA&region=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=total&hideControls=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc

 

Edited December 16, 20205 yr by TallGuyJohninBKK

Pompeo invited 900 people, diplomats to his xmas party. Only a couple of dozen turned up so he did a trump and didnt bother to attend.

 

priceless.

 

https://news.yahoo.com/report-hundreds-people-invited-mike-050400901.html

6 hours ago, Sujo said:

Pompeo invited 900 people, diplomats to his xmas party. Only a couple of dozen turned up so he did a trump and didnt bother to attend.

 

priceless.

 

https://news.yahoo.com/report-hundreds-people-invited-mike-050400901.html

Is this the diplomatic world telling Trump, "you are now less relevant than a fart in the toilet bowl of history"??

 

Please flush before leaving.

Edited December 16, 20205 yr by RJRS1301

2 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

Is this the diplomatic world telling Trump, "you are now less relevant than a fart in the toilet bowl of history"??

 

Please flush before leaving.

Unlike so many Trump supporters, they're not willing to die just to attend a gathering. Bad priorities. Sad!

Edited December 17, 20205 yr by placeholder

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