2 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Barr and Flynn, for sure.  Giuliani?  Not so sure about that.  There's campaign finance violations, dodgy financial dealings, etc.  There are some looking into getting him barred.

 

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-12-02/donald-trump-election-lawsuit-rudy-giuliani-jenna-ellis-abuse-of-court

Every litigator is acutely aware of the requirements of Rule 11 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. It specifies that lawyers who sign a pleading are certifying to the court that 1) the factual contentions have evidentiary support; 2) the claims are warranted under the law; and 3) the lawsuit is not being presented for any improper purpose, such as to harass.

 

Rule 11 is a mechanism for imposing costs on frivolous lawsuits. Violators are subject to court-imposed sanctions such as an order directing payment of the opposing party’s attorney’s fees. States also prohibit frivolous lawsuits; sanctions at the state level may include the attorney losing his or her license to practice law.

 

Notice how effective the sanctions against frivolous lawsuits have been lately.

20 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

Those would be frivolous lawsuits without any chance of success. 

 

Sounds good, DT has lived a life of frivolous lawsuits, now he'll be on the defensive and having to pay all those lawyers.

I don't see how calling people names and issuing insults from the bully pulpit can be defended as part of his role as chief exec.  A smart enough lawyer may find a way. 

 

 

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4 hours ago, cmarshall said:

 

But preemptive pardons nevertheless have a long history.  Andrew Johnson pardoned almost the whole Confederate Army, none of whom had been charged with a crime.  Carter did the same with the Vietnam era draft evaders.  Then there is Nixon's pardon "for all crimes that he has committed or may have committed."

 

So, I think the forthcoming pardons for Giuliani and the Trump spawn will probably survive legal challenges.

Talk is here as well about a pardon "for all crimes that he may  commit." I think that's a no go legally.

4 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Talk is here as well about a pardon "for all crimes that he may  commit." I think that's a no go legally.

 

Yeah, that won't fly.  Only past actions can be pardoned.  In particular, ongoing crimes cannot be pardoned so that if the pardon is corrupt that crime is not covered by the pardon.

it is not going to help his legacy or reputation.  that's already so tarnished so as to never recover.

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15 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Presidential pardons are published for all to see.  If Trump issues one to himself, that will for sure be brought up in the courts.  Who knows how that will play out, but either way, not good.

 

I can't believe that he would go so against Trump if got a pardon

 

He might have a promise of a pardon from Biden, if he stops supporting Trump for the time left.

 

Trump can not pardon himself, he should have to resign, and then the acting president can pardon him

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23 hours ago, Berkshire said:

Barr can see Trump coming unhinged and wants no part of it.  He's also giving cover to his successor knowing that Trump will be demanding crazy sht from the AG all the way through to 20 Jan.

Barr knew all along 45 was unhinged. He's just a nasty sycophant who was gambling that 45 would get another term and then Barr could REALLY create an autocratic fascistic state where HE would be directing the head of the child-king.

23 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Agreed.  But that won't shield them from state charges.  Like Trump.  We can only keep our fingers crossed justice is served.

Cuomo made sure of this.

 

"Changing the law to ensure that no presidential pardon will undercut a state prosecution, the New York State Assembly approved a bill Tuesday to snip the so-called double-jeopardy loophole."

 

Pardon Loophole Gets the Ax From New York Lawmakers (courthousenews.com)

25 minutes ago, J Town said:

Barr knew all along 45 was unhinged. He's just a nasty sycophant who was gambling that 45 would get another term and then Barr could REALLY create an autocratic fascistic state where HE would be directing the head of the child-king.

I'm not a fan of Barr.  He's been more of a political hack than an Attorney General.  But he's done some good on his way out the door.  I'll give him that. 

Election fraud !!! 

https://www.gregpalast.com/black-voters-matter-sues-georgia-for-purging-200000-voters-ahead-of-2020-election/

3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Election fraud !!! 

https://www.gregpalast.com/black-voters-matter-sues-georgia-for-purging-200000-voters-ahead-of-2020-election/

This is the only way the GOP can win elections.  Suppress votes.  Sucks some still support these anti-American attacks on our democracy.  Freedom to vote is a key part of our republic. Stop the gerrymandering.

38 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

I'm not a fan of Barr.  He's been more of a political hack than an Attorney General.  But he's done some good on his way out the door.  I'll give him that. 

Only to cover his backside. He was always a fascist supporter. He is evil to the core.