11 hours ago, John Drake said:

 

Would rather wait for $2000 than get peanuts, which is what $600 will buy you. Whatever the reason he's doing it, Trump is right on this one. The $2000 should be a minimum, and all the money going to airlines, banks, and big corporations for "payment protection," which has no enforcement provision, meaning they can still fire people anyway and just keep the money for themselves (exactly what they've been doing already), all that money needs to go directly to individuals. It's a 900 billion bill. So send $3000 to every individual. None for Big Business.

You and Trump should have told that to Mitch McConnell months ago.

Trump detonates a truth bomb in the Georgia Senate races

By abruptly calling for $2,000 stimulus checks on Tuesday night, Trump inadvertently exposed core truths about the consequences of continued GOP control of the Senate — ones that Republicans are working to conceal — and about the post-Trump Republican Party in general...

It demonstrates, once again, that the only real obstacle to more generous economic assistance is the Republican Party.

That’s why Jon Ossoff, Perdue’s Democratic challenger, jumped on Trump’s missive.

Opinion | Trump’s call for $2,000 stimulus checks detonates a truth bomb in the Georgia Senate races - The Washington Post

 

Thank you, President Trump!

13 hours ago, John Drake said:

 

Who cares! I want the $2000. So do a lot of other people. Stop worrying about who gets the damn credit and get the money to the people.

Hear hear!

The 2021 Social Security increase (COLA) is a whopping $20/month, approximately.  That's a half-tank of gasoline, maybe.  It's a joke, definitely.

Also, quietly, things have been taken out of Medicare coverage these recent years.  Small things in terms of headlines, but quite noticeable when you get the bill.  Don't ask for links about this, my reporting is first-hand.

For 2020, that $1,200 Covid hand out way outdid this year's COLA as well.  Regardless of how you brand Bernie as a commie/socialist/nose-picker etc he is the only one who makes any sense about the true cost of living (and economic survival) of those in the lower-than-middle-class brackets.  If in doubt, how about YOU trying living on the current minimum wage.

 

 

 

DT now bites the hand that fed him because the food ran out.  Ol' Mitch getting a little bit of what so many others have been getting the past 4 years.  It goes around, it comes around.

And it is now the proof positive that DT has never had allegiance to the  GOP, or the conservative movement, he just played them when he has use for them.  And the evangelicals: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/22/jerry-falwell-trump-irs-liberty-university-450166

 

Two articles out in the same day regarding DT stalwarts setting up organizations:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/22/trump-brass-campaign-firm-449402

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/22/trump-advisers-launch-policy-group-449886

 

 

14 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

It is called the Covid relief bill. It is an emergency measure to ensure Americans whose lives and livelihoods have been decimated by the CoronaVirus and lockdown responses enforced by the govt can feed and shelter themselves. So, it is entirely fair that reading the small print and learning many millions of American tax payers $ will be sent for some gender project in Pakistan caused some raised eyebrows. Unless of course, a gender project in Pakistan turns out to be critical for American's lives to return to normality once the virus dies out or herd immunity kicks in? But I doubt it.

 

trump echo chamber for paleo conservatism ideology, driven by the ugliness and cruelty of Stephen Miller and others in trump world - less than a month to go to end of a one term loser self serving presidency.????

Edited December 23, 20205 yr by simple1

I am told that the bill becomes law in ten days, with or without his signature. He has merely postponed stimulus money for ten more days. Gee, thanks, Donnie.

Over 5000+ pages of legislation for covid-19 relief? What a load of deceitful garbage from a load of self serving professional parasites. Probably only 200  pages required for relief of citizens and businesses from loss of income caused by this virulent virus, which is not fatal in over 98% of cases. What were the other 5000+ pages for? This just epitomizes the corruption of US politics,where long term public servants, joking, have become extremely rich, must be by investing their salaries wisely, cannot legally see any other way. All other spending should be in bills designed for specific purposes, not lost in the labyrinth of over 5000 pages of of effluent so funds can be donated  surreptitiously without justification.  Still it`s up to you myopic US citizens to deal wth this, the rest of us will just look on and laugh at you being fleeced by these servants of the people, after all it`s your tax money that is being deceitfully appropriated for expenditure that has almost no benefit to the ordanary member of `we the people`, or should that read sheeple?

Edited December 24, 20205 yr by John1012
felt like it

48 minutes ago, KhunFred said:

I am told that the bill becomes law in ten days, with or without his signature. He has merely postponed stimulus money for ten more days. Gee, thanks, Donnie.

I guess what you're referring to is called a pocket veto. 

ssssshhhhhhh...., maybe he doesn't know that.

 

Haven't heard that since school days.

 

Edited December 24, 20205 yr by bendejo

32 minutes ago, John1012 said:

Over 5000+ pages of legislation for covid-19 relief? What a load of deceitful garbage from a load of self serving professional parasites. Probably only 200  pages required for relief of citizens and businesses from loss of income caused by this virulent virus, which is not fatal in over 98% of cases. What were the other 5000+ pages for? This just epitomizes the corruption of US politics,where long term public servants, joking, have become extremely rich, must be by investing their salaries wisely, cannot legally see any other way. All other spending should be in bills designed for specific purposes, not lost in the labyrinth of over 5000 pages of of effluent so funds can be donated  surreptitiously without justification.  Still it`s up to you myopic US citizens to deal wth this, the rest of us will just look on and laugh at you being fleeced by these servants of the people, after all it`s your tax money that is being deceitfully appropriated for expenditure that has almost no benefit to the ordanary member of `we the people`, or should that read sheeple?

 Before you comment maybe you should try to get acquainted with the facts. This bill isn't only for covid relief.  But as for the sheeple comment I do agree with you. After all, about 75 million Americans voted for a pathological liar.

Off-topic post and reply removed.  

 

Trump's $2000 remark was to get attention, grandstand, and get dupes to praise him while essentially doing nothing at no cost to him. No way in heck this could be done given the current Congress, and he knows this.

As reality based as his promise of universal, cheaper and better health care as his primary goal (remember 2016 election?). There was no "there" there

Fool me once, shame on me.

Fool me over and over, shame on his base

15 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Terrible of Trump to want a decent relief check for Americans, $600. is a joke.

But he doesnt want it. He was never involved in it. He didnt veto it. He didnt sign it.   All he did was go play golf and let its implementation be delayed for 10 days while people starve.

 

The unfortunate reality is that no amount will be enough and any amount will be too little.

 

3 hours ago, KhunFred said:

I am told that the bill becomes law in ten days, with or without his signature. He has merely postponed stimulus money for ten more days. Gee, thanks, Donnie.

No, it doesn't. If he vetoes, it the Congress will need to vote to override the veto. And every one of them who votes to override will be outing themselves as corporate shills trying to buy off Americans with the puny $600.

3 minutes ago, John Drake said:

No, it doesn't. If he vetoes, it the Congress will need to vote to override the veto. And every one of them who votes to override will be outing themselves as corporate shills trying to buy off Americans with the puny $600.

 

 

Ultimately, won't the puny $600 or any other amount eventually decided on end up increasing the debt owed by future generations of tax payers?

 

 

1 minute ago, Andy from Kent said:

 

 

Ultimately, won't the puny $600 or any other amount eventually decided on end up increasing the debt owed by future generations of tax payers?

 

 

 

Nobody seems to worry about that debt when it is going to airlines, cruise companies, banks, defense contractors, and foreign governments. Why are you only worried about it when it goes to individuals?

19 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

Nobody seems to worry about that debt when it is going to airlines, cruise companies, banks, defense contractors, and foreign governments. Why are you only worried about it when it goes to individuals?

 

 

Excuse me?     How do you come up with "Why are you only worried about it when it goes to individuals?"

 

 

1 minute ago, Andy from Kent said:

 

 

Excuse me?     How do you come up with "Why are you only worried about it when it goes to individuals?"

 

 

 

Because this is what you wrote: "Ultimately, won't the puny $600 or any other amount eventually decided on end up increasing the debt owed by future generations of tax payers?" That $600 is for individuals only. You didn't voice any concern at all about the rest of the bill that directs MOST of the funding to corporations, airlines, and businesses.

41 minutes ago, Andy from Kent said:

 

 

Ultimately, won't the puny $600 or any other amount eventually decided on end up increasing the debt owed by future generations of tax payers?

 

 

That debt can be paid down significantly by taxing corporations at the same tax rate us little people are.

21 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

It is called the Covid relief bill. It is an emergency measure to ensure Americans whose lives and livelihoods have been decimated by the CoronaVirus and lockdown responses enforced by the govt can feed and shelter themselves. So, it is entirely fair that reading the small print and learning many millions of American tax payers $ will be sent for some gender project in Pakistan caused some raised eyebrows. Unless of course, a gender project in Pakistan turns out to be critical for American's lives to return to normality once the virus dies out or herd immunity kicks in? But I doubt it.

Must be really tough defending trump's BS. facts have now come to light in that trump's 2021 budget allocated funds to Pakistan and other lines items to which he is objecting...

 

Americans remain in economic limbo after Trump released a video criticizing the $900 billion relief package awaiting his signature. The President says he objects to low individual payments and a litany of line items, but many of the disputed expenditures aren’t actually part of the stimulus bill; they’re included in an omnibus spending bill attached to the Covid-19 relief — and as CNN’s Kevin Liptak reports, they track almost exactly with what Trump requested in his 2021 budget. e.g.

 

 

Trump's complaint: $25 million for democracy and gender programs in Pakistan

Trump's budget proposal: $15,000,000 for democracy programs and $10,000,000 for gender programs.

 

Quoted from CNN's Meanwhile in American newsletter dated 24/12/2020 - unable to provide link.

 

Trump's 2021 budget...

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/appendix_fy21.pdf

1 hour ago, J Town said:

That debt can be paid down significantly by taxing corporations at the same tax rate us little people are.

Noble thoughts and long overdue. US laws protect big corporations. Will need Bernie to be the economy czar in Biden’s cabinet. 

In 2018, Amazon paid $0 in taxes on record profit of $11 billion. 2018 was the second year in a row that the e-commerce giant was able to avoid paying taxes. Amazon is joined on the list by other big companies raking in big profits, including Delta Airlines (DAL), Chevron (CVX), Netflix (NFLX), and General Motors (GM).

Just now, Eric Loh said:

Noble thoughts and long overdue. US laws protect big corporations. Will need Bernie to be the economy czar in Biden’s cabinet. 

In 2018, Amazon paid $0 in taxes on record profit of $11 billion. 2018 was the second year in a row that the e-commerce giant was able to avoid paying taxes. Amazon is joined on the list by other big companies raking in big profits, including Delta Airlines (DAL), Chevron (CVX), Netflix (NFLX), and General Motors (GM).

Bernie has the kiss of death from an old white corporatist about to sit behind the resolute desk. Joe's already said he "needs Bernie more as a Senator." Same with AOC who has been passed over for several positions in the cabinet she made clear she was interested in. They are too much for the people rather than beholden to the corporations. 

 

Funny coincidence, neither Bernie nor AOC take any campaign money from corporations.

17 minutes ago, J Town said:

Bernie has the kiss of death from an old white corporatist about to sit behind the resolute desk. Joe's already said he "needs Bernie more as a Senator." Same with AOC who has been passed over for several positions in the cabinet she made clear she was interested in. They are too much for the people rather than beholden to the corporations. 

 

Funny coincidence, neither Bernie nor AOC take any campaign money from corporations.

Just abolishing Trump’s controversial Tax Cut and Jobs Act will denied corporations an easier way out of paying taxes which in Amazon’s case took their tax down to zero. The number of similar avoidance of tax by big corporations doubled under Trump. Biden to his credit has signaled the repeal of Trump’s tax cut act. 

 

11 hours ago, bendejo said:

I guess what you're referring to is called a pocket veto. 

ssssshhhhhhh...., maybe he doesn't know that.

 

Haven't heard that since school days.

 

I didn't know it, and I suspect that most people don't unless they have a degree in Political Science. Most politicians certainly know it......except Trump.

8 hours ago, John Drake said:

No, it doesn't. If he vetoes, it the Congress will need to vote to override the veto. And every one of them who votes to override will be outing themselves as corporate shills trying to buy off Americans with the puny $600.

You could be right but the information came from Politico, which is not known for spreading lies, unlike the current President.

8 hours ago, simple1 said:

Must be really tough defending trump's BS. facts have now come to light in that trump's 2021 budget allocated funds to Pakistan and other lines items to which he is objecting...

 

Americans remain in economic limbo after Trump released a video criticizing the $900 billion relief package awaiting his signature. The President says he objects to low individual payments and a litany of line items, but many of the disputed expenditures aren’t actually part of the stimulus bill; they’re included in an omnibus spending bill attached to the Covid-19 relief — and as CNN’s Kevin Liptak reports, they track almost exactly with what Trump requested in his 2021 budget. e.g.

 

 

Trump's complaint: $25 million for democracy and gender programs in Pakistan

Trump's budget proposal: $15,000,000 for democracy programs and $10,000,000 for gender programs.

 

Quoted from CNN's Meanwhile in American newsletter dated 24/12/2020 - unable to provide link.

 

Trump's 2021 budget...

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/appendix_fy21.pdf

But but but Hilary / commies blah blah blah

9 hours ago, John Drake said:

No, it doesn't. If he vetoes, it the Congress will need to vote to override the veto. And every one of them who votes to override will be outing themselves as corporate shills trying to buy off Americans with the puny $600.

As opposed to not being "corporate shills"...not overriding Trump (lame duck leaving in 25 days Donald Trump by the way) and giving the Americans a massive $0....yeah that makes alot of sense and that is what helps Americans....$0.

 

How hard is it to get that $600 is more than $0 especially when POTUS is off playing golf and is more interested in pardoning his posse instead of helping the country? Should it be more...YES....will anybody take $600 in the short term with the promise of more to come when the grown up takes office? HELL YES...but the wrong answer is $0!!!!!!!!!

Edited December 24, 20205 yr by Tie Dye Samurai

On 12/22/2020 at 11:42 PM, DeusExMachinaBKK said:

$600 lol... that will pay for maybe some of your rent. Who needs food and electricity !?

 

again, Trump is correct. 

 

Agreed.  Every man, woman and child in the USA goes $2,800 further into debt and in return, they each get $600 in this 5600 page fiasco that doles out money to every special interest group that's ever made a political contribution.

 

I'm not a fan of the Donald.  But he's right on this one.

 

1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

Agreed.  Every man, woman and child in the USA goes $2,800 further into debt and in return, they each get $600 in this 5600 page fiasco that doles out money to every special interest group that's ever made a political contribution.

 

I'm not a fan of the Donald.  But he's right on this one.

 

Yet he had no problem giving away a 2 trillion tax brake to the rich. Go figure.  

Apparently Trump's veto threat I'd also holding up the vaccination program.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/23/us-states-awederal-dollars-for-covid-vaccine-distribution-have-been-a-drop-in-the-bucket-as-shipments-begin.html