4 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

In which case they would trade under that deal; which would, of course, be better than trading without one.

 

Otherwise, what's the point of having trade deals at all?

Big miss there.

3 hours ago, vogie said:

Spot on Boris "has got a clue" ????????????

Damn.....hasn't-------????

Troll post removed.  It's a discussion forum.  You can dispense with unauthorized, off-topic videos.  

 

Hi From The United Kingdom

 

Why outraged...? Just a consequense of leaving the club .....Every "colonized " country  (????) suffers a little bit after getting their independance ...????

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1377147/brexit-news-eu-uk-trade-deal-fta-food-equivalence-new-zealand-sps-spt

 

Brexit outrage as New Zealand farmers will have to go through LESS red tape to sell lamb

BRITISH farmers will have to go through more red tape to sell lamb to European markets than New Zealand ones, it has emerged.

By Martina Bet

15:06, Sun, Dec 27, 2020 | UPDATED: 15:09, Sun, Dec 27, 2020

Edited December 27, 20205 yr by david555

4 hours ago, bannork said:

'The UK is not extracted from the EU, it is forever bound by geography and  consequently comnercial, trading, security ties, etc, to the EU.

 

 

 

 

The UK is extracted from the EU. Most of those things you mention relate to Europe, not the EU. There is a difference. 

3 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

The WA and now this agreement, whilst better than the suicidal no deal hard Brexiteers wanted, have both proven what Vote.Leave labelled as project fear was, in fact, project reality.

What has been proved? The transition period ends on 31st Dec, and then the UK begins a new life outside the EU. How can you possibly know what the future holds? 

Seems to me you've swallowed the project fear propaganda to such an extent that you think it is all factual. 

9 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

The UK is extracted from the EU. Most of those things you mention relate to Europe, not the EU. There is a difference. 

For us a big number  European continentals find E.U. and Europe the same ...

21 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

The UK is extracted from the EU. Most of those things you mention relate to Europe, not the EU. There is a difference. 

There is a difference? What is the difference the UK is still bound by geography and  commercial, trading, security ties, etc, to the EU. In case you didn't notice the EU countries are all around you. It's like living in a condo: you do have your balcony and an exit, but we live above and below, left and right.

 

And the UK nationalists don't want to share the heating bill, the roof bill, because they feel so different and superior.

 

 

 

...someone said the EU should have "fined" the UK for leaving: in case you didn't notice you've already fined yourselves 3% of you GDP with an additional 4% coming (and we lost and will loose too).

 

 

more than money (accounting seems to be you main preoccupation, though): The Union is falling apart, since not all of the United Kingdom is English nationalists.

 

I remember Brexiteers here who think I am a Brit remainer. Guys, do you hate your fellow Brits more than the French, now? ????

 

 

 

Why should we add to that disaster?     

 

All that to escape imaginary "shackles", and flee "the corrupt EU". There are no shackles, it just turns out we live in the same part of the world, with a common history and our geopolitical interests are the same, that's why we are better working closely together, its a win-win.

 

One day you'll have to get that, hopefully you'll live long enough.

 

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Edited December 27, 20205 yr by Hi from France

Ça y est.. 

 

The UK wants to re-open negotiations, now on financial services 

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The chancellor said he hoped a planned memorandum of understanding on the issue between the UK and EU in the next few months could smooth over many obstacles.

 

And British auditors can no longer audit European Union firms

 

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However, the impact on many service-based businesses will be immediate. Sally Jones, who leads on Brexit issues for EY, said that as of 1 January, UK accountancy and auditing qualifications would no longer be recognised in the EU.

 

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“If I want to practise in Italy or Germany or Spain, I’d have to re-qualify, which would involve sitting horrendous exams and, worse, three or more years of professional experience.” 

 

 

now for the €1,000,000,000 question : will our EU authorities be stupid enough to yield to the Brits? What do they have to offer?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/27/sunak-suggests-eu-access-for-financial-services-will-exceed-brexit-deal

4 hours ago, nauseus said:

Big miss there.

 

Indeed; but at least you've admitted it this time.

 

 

Edited December 27, 20205 yr by 7by7
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The SNP will vote against the deal

 

Here’s why

 

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Westminster leader, Ian Blackford, said: “Boris Johnson’s extreme Tory Brexit is an unforgivable act of economic vandalism and gross stupidity, which will cause lasting damage to the economy and leave the UK much worse off at the worst possible time – during a pandemic and economic recession.

 

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“Scotland has been completely ignored by Westminster throughout the Brexit process and we are being forced to pay a devastating price. It is clear that the only way to protect Scotland’s interests, and regain the full benefits of EU membership, is to become an independent country.

 

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“This is a very bad deal for Scotland, which will terminate our membership of the EU, rip us out of the world’s largest single market and customs union, end our freedom of movement rights, and impose mountains of red tape, added costs and barriers to trade for Scottish businesses. The blame lies squarely with the Tory government.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/27/snp-confirms-vote-against-extreme-tory-brexit-deal

1 minute ago, Hi from France said:

The SNP will vote against the deal

 

Here’s why

 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/27/snp-confirms-vote-against-extreme-tory-brexit-deal

News travels slow to Scotland but the UK membership of the EU was terminated   at 11 p.m. GMT on 31 January 2020

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

What has been proved? The transition period ends on 31st Dec, and then the UK begins a new life outside the EU. How can you possibly know what the future holds? 

Seems to me you've swallowed the project fear propaganda to such an extent that you think it is all factual. 

 

I don't know what the future holds for certain, but I do know the main points of what's in the WA and this agreement. It does not grant us the full benefits of EU membership without the responsibilities promised by Vote.Leave in 2016.

 

One example; in 2016 the Remain campaign warned leaving the EU would mean losing our unfettered access to the single market; Vote.Leave labelled this part of Project Fear. Does this agreement grant us the same unfettered access to the single market which we had as a member? No.

 

Another; Remain warned in the campaign that leaving would mean we would lose access to important law enforcement tools like Europol, Eurojust, the European Arrest Warrant and real-time sensitive data-sharing agreements such as the Schengen Information System; Vote.Leave called that Project Fear as well. Have we retained those tools? No.

 

3 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

News travels slow to Scotland but the UK membership of the EU was terminated   at 11 p.m. GMT on 31 January 2020

 

Blackford's talking about this trade agreement.

 

But as you obviously have no argument to counter his points, you have to pick up on one very minor one. 

 

UK membership has been in a transitional period since 31/1/20, which means effectively we have still been a member.

 

 

25 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

Blackford's talking about this trade agreement.

 

But as you obviously have no argument to counter his points, you have to pick up on one very minor one. 

 

UK membership has been in a transitional period since 31/1/20, which means effectively we have still been a member.

 

 

No UK membership of the EU was terminated   at 11 p.m. GMT on 31 January 2020

What is the Brexit transition period?

The Brexit transition is the period agreed in the UK–EU Withdrawal Agreement in which the UK is no longer a member of the EU but remains a member of the single market and customs union. During that time, it will continue to be subject to EU rules. The transition period started immediately after the UK left the EU on 31 January 2020.

 

The EU said it will not negotiate details of new arrangements with the UK until it ceased to be an EU member. The transition period is designed to provide time for that new relationship to be agreed while ensuring that business will only need to adapt to non-EU rules once the future deal is agreed.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/brexit-transition-period

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

 

I don't know what the future holds for certain, but I do know the main points of what's in the WA and this agreement. It does not grant us the full benefits of EU membership without the responsibilities promised by Vote.Leave in 2016.

 

One example; in 2016 the Remain campaign warned leaving the EU would mean losing our unfettered access to the single market; Vote.Leave labelled this part of Project Fear. Does this agreement grant us the same unfettered access to the single market which we had as a member? No.

 

Another; Remain warned in the campaign that leaving would mean we would lose access to important law enforcement tools like Europol, Eurojust, the European Arrest Warrant and real-time sensitive data-sharing agreements such as the Schengen Information System; Vote.Leave called that Project Fear as well. Have we retained those tools? No.

 

You know full well (as it's been said on here a million times) Cameron and Osborne repeated over and over again that leaving the EU would mean leaving the Single Market. Vote leave gave examples of countries who were not EU members but benefitted from the SM. Anyone who paid attention to the campaign would have known we'd most likely end up with something in between - which we have.

As for law enforcement, we dealt with that a few pages back. 

 

It was the projected catastrophic impact of leaving the EU that was labelled project fear rather than the intricate details. 

2 hours ago, Hi from France said:

There is a difference? What is the difference the UK is still bound by geography and  commercial, trading, security ties, etc, to the EU. In case you didn't notice the EU countries are all around you. It's like living in a condo: you do have your balcony and an exit, but we live above and below, left and right.

 

And the UK nationalists don't want to share the heating bill, the roof bill, because they feel so different and superior.

 

 

 

...someone said the EU should have "fined" the UK for leaving: in case you didn't notice you've already fined yourselves 3% of you GDP with an additional 4% coming (and we lost and will loose too).

 

 

more than money (accounting seems to be you main preoccupation, though): The Union is falling apart, since not all of the United Kingdom is English nationalists.

 

I remember Brexiteers here who think I am a Brit remainer. Guys, do you hate your fellow Brits more than the French, now? ????

 

 

 

Why should we add to that disaster?     

 

All that to escape imaginary "shackles", and flee "the corrupt EU". There are no shackles, it just turns out we live in the same part of the world, with a common history and our geopolitical interests are the same, that's why we are better working closely together, its a win-win.

 

One day you'll have to get that, hopefully you'll live long enough.

 

.

 

 

Sorry, I can't take your posts seriously since you reinvented yourself. 

The no-deal on Gibraltar continues 

 

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The talks on Gibraltar, which for months have run parallel to the wider negotiations on Brexit, have proven a delicate task; focused on preserving free movement for the thousands who regularly cross the narrow border that divides Spain and Gibraltar while steering clear of the centuries-old sovereignty dispute between London and Madrid.

 

They are fine joining Schengen and I do not see how they could afford not to 

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Prior to the pandemic, an average of 28,500 people crossed the border a day. Picardo has long advocated that this fluidity could be protected by Gibraltar joining the Schengen area – a move that would see Gibraltar establish

 

Now if it's Gibraltar against Spain backed by the EU this is very very unbalanced 

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Despite ceding Gibraltar to Britain in 1713, Spain has long sought to reclaim the tiny territory

 

The article does not state what the Spanish demands are

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/27/clock-still-ticking-for-settlement-over-gibraltar-despite-brexit-deal

1 hour ago, Hi from France said:

The SNP will vote against the deal

 

Here’s why

 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/27/snp-confirms-vote-against-extreme-tory-brexit-deal

Really?  I fully expected Blackford to congratulate the UK government and praise the deal, and maybe even retract the SNP's call for Scottish independence. This is a real revelation, I am shocked! ????‍♂️????

Just now, CG1 Blue said:

Really?  I fully expected Blackford to congratulate the UK government and praise the deal, and maybe even retract the SNP's call for Scottish independence. This is a real revelation, I am shocked!

Well counting down the votes will be interesting : I read Labour is in big trouble and the lib dems might abstain. 

 

 

 

Now even while we are bitterly divorcing, we must not forget Britain did much good for Europe... and Europe did much good for Britain too. 

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No one doubts that Britain’s European years were often marked by reluctance and sometimes by resistance. For all sorts of reasons, Britain could never sit comfortably in the place it was offered in the EU’s holy trinity, alongside France and Germany. 

Clearly! 

 

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Two huge things in the history of the EU would not have been completed in the way they were without the Brits: the single market and enlargement. The problem with both, indeed, is that Britain pushed them forward without quite understanding their political implications.

You bet 

 

 

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And the EU helped the UK to settle by far its biggest internal problem: the conflict in Northern Ireland.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/27/so-long-we-will-miss-you-we-europeans-see-how-you-have-helped-to-shape-us

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

You know full well (as it's been said on here a million times) Cameron and Osborne repeated over and over again that leaving the EU would mean leaving the Single Market. Vote leave gave examples of countries who were not EU members but benefitted from the SM. Anyone who paid attention to the campaign would have known we'd most likely end up with something in between - which we have.

As for law enforcement, we dealt with that a few pages back. 

 

It was the projected catastrophic impact of leaving the EU that was labelled project fear rather than the intricate details. 

I thought  Cameron was part of Remain campaign (i.e. project fear).

 

Oh wait, now you are telling us it was actually not project fear, but project truth?

 

1 hour ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

I thought  Cameron was part of Remain campaign (i.e. project fear).

 

Oh wait, now you are telling us it was actually not project fear, but project truth?

 

I think you're confused. Cameron was the leader of project fear. I suggest you read the comments again. 

10 hours ago, kingdong said:

Cheers chomper,haven,t had a good belly laugh for ages.on your first point was merely pointing out your previous views on the subject.the uks higher education system is a resounding success,somewhat contradicted by point 3 you raised. "The fsi for all its faults",and who do,es all this wealth generated benefit?not this country when its all shunted abroad into tax havens,or do you believe in the trickle down theory which in reality dosen,t trickle much past porsche dealers etc in bonus week.and last but not least your last point regarding the  benefits 2 million eu citizens bought us, ".educated" theirselves at zero cost to the uk economy,they educated themselves at the expense of the british education system and paradoxically their indiginous class mates whos first language is english who suffered due to the teachers limited time trying to teach them english,you don,t get owt for nowt lad,so perhaps in the future,a new years resoulution perhaps, you should spare a thought for others.

Has it occurred to you to consider why the Brexit campaign was funded by a handful of billionaires and multimillionaires?

 

And if that question evaded you, why do think the UK Tory Government put so much effort into trying to avoid a level playing field between the UK and EU on workers rights?

 

Diff your cap and tug your forelocks, you’ve backed the Brexit the hyper wealthy wanted.

 

Well done.

5 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Indeed; but at least you've admitted it this time.

 

 

 

Hilarious.

14 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Has it occurred to you to consider why the Brexit campaign was funded by a handful of billionaires and multimillionaires?

 

And if that question evaded you, why do think the UK Tory Government put so much effort into trying to avoid a level playing field between the UK and EU on workers rights?

 

Diff your cap and tug your forelocks, you’ve backed the Brexit the hyper wealthy wanted.

 

Well done.

Please don,t waste your time trying to tell me how the torys are against workers rights,,i lost my job thru thatcher,when labour got in i thought great,how ever when lionel,sorry,tony blair was told by a labour mp the rate for bricklayers had halved in his constituency due to blair granting instant access to  newly joined members to the eu from eastern europe,blair replied " it,ll alleviate poverty in their areas" blair also said " we,re not going back to the dark days of mass pickets",new labour who "sent out the search parties to rub the right wings nose in it " yeah at the expense of the british working s rights,personally i think the working classes are being whipped with chains of their own choosing,and if i had my way i,d chatise them with scorpions,sounds familiar? So as a member of the bourgeois please don,t insult my intelligence and keep your asino views. For someone thick enough to swallow them.

6 hours ago, vinny41 said:

No UK membership of the EU was terminated   at 11 p.m. GMT on 31 January 2020

What is the Brexit transition period?The Brexit transition is the period agreed in the UK–EU Withdrawal Agreement in which the UK is no longer a member of the EU but remains a member of the single market and customs union.

What part of the last sentence did you find difficult.

Tell us when do you think Scotland's trading relationship with the EU changed?

11 minutes ago, sandyf said:

What part of the last sentence did you find difficult.

Tell us when do you think Scotland's trading relationship with the EU changed?

Suggest you read the quote from the guardian again

“This is a very bad deal for Scotland, which will terminate our membership of the EU, rip us out of the world’s largest single market and customs union, end our freedom of movement rights, 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/27/snp-confirms-vote-against-extreme-tory-brexit-deal

 

No UK membership of the EU was terminated   at 11 p.m. GMT on 31 January 2020

What is the Brexit transition period?

The Brexit transition is the period agreed in the UK–EU Withdrawal Agreement in which the UK is no longer a member of the EU but remains a member of the single market and customs union. During that time, it will continue to be subject to EU rules. The transition period started immediately after the UK left the EU on 31 January 2020.

 

The EU said it will not negotiate details of new arrangements with the UK until it ceased to be an EU member. The transition period is designed to provide time for that new relationship to be agreed while ensuring that business will only need to adapt to non-EU rules once the future deal is agreed.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/brexit-transition-period

1 hour ago, kingdong said:

Please don,t waste your time trying to tell me how the torys are against workers rights,,i lost my job thru thatcher,when labour got in i thought great,how ever when lionel,sorry,tony blair was told by a labour mp the rate for bricklayers had halved in his constituency due to blair granting instant access to  newly joined members to the eu from eastern europe,blair replied " it,ll alleviate poverty in their areas" blair also said " we,re not going back to the dark days of mass pickets",new labour who "sent out the search parties to rub the right wings nose in it " yeah at the expense of the british working s rights,personally i think the working classes are being whipped with chains of their own choosing,and if i had my way i,d chatise them with scorpions,sounds familiar? So as a member of the bourgeois please don,t insult my intelligence and keep your asino views. For someone thick enough to swallow them.

You don’t need to ‘chastise the working class with Scorpions’, you’ve got Brexit reality v the Brexit pipe dream they were promised.

12 hours ago, puipuitom said:

A TRADE deal even a monkey can make. The big question is: a BETTER deal as the UK had, inside the EU.

There is no better deal with the EU than being a member.

Agreements with the EU are very complex, they have about 80 that are in force or provisional, and some in the pipeline, with a total of around 170 countries outside the EU globally.

Agreements come in a variety of formats. The so called "Australian" deal(Type 3) was WTO on trade supported by a multitude of small agreements on non trade issues, the Bojo backstop. Ironic that Australia is one of the EU FTAs in the pipeline.

On the basis of market size the UK will never be in a position to negotiate a more favourable trade arrangement with other countries than the EU. They will end up buying the trade, such as visas to India, and try and pass it off as negotiation.

Types of EU trade agreement

There are three main types of agreement:

1. Customs Unions
   • eliminate customs duties in bilateral trade, and;
   • establish a joint customs tariff for foreign importers.
2. Association Agreements, Stabilisation Agreements, (Deep and Comprehensive) Free Trade Agreements and Economic Partnership Agreements
   • remove or reduce customs tariffs in bilateral trade.
3. Partnership and Cooperation Agreements
   • provide a general framework for bilateral economic relations, and;
   • leave customs tariffs as they are.
   • https://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/negotiations-and-agreements/