22 hours ago, vogie said:

Please tell me Sandy what do the followers of this woman see in her that the rest of us don't, is your desire to get away from the English so strong you will sacrifice your country to acheive your goal.

Your paranoia knows no bounds. It has nothing to do with what I think, or NS for that matter. I have only ever stated that the people of Scotland have the right to determine their own future, a point that you and bojo continually refuse to acknowledge.

It matters no iota how much you stick your head in the sand, the inevitable will always stare you in the face.

7 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Your paranoia knows no bounds. It has nothing to do with what I think, or NS for that matter. I have only ever stated that the people of Scotland have the right to determine their own future, a point that you and bojo continually refuse to acknowledge.

It matters no iota how much you stick your head in the sand, the inevitable will always stare you in the face.

And in the same breath I should not have to remind you that the Scots were given that opportunity to "determine their own future" in 2014 and very astutely they chose to remain in the United Kingdom.

And Boris has acknowledged it.

3 hours ago, stevenl said:

Greece and italy are being kept alive by the EU. No chance of them leaving. Net contributors like Netherlands and Germany are much more likely to leave, but for them economic impact of the EU is still very positive.

The only reason the dutch and germans are bailing out the financial banana republics is it suits them financially,in any event its down to the citizens ultimately,look how one man the great nigel farage bought down a prime minister and put the great back into britain.

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

 

But mainly not in countries where their peoples actually pressed for independence.  

You kak your bed,you lie in it,as scotland will find out if they join the eu.

26 minutes ago, sandyf said:

 I have only ever stated that the people of Scotland have the right to determine their own future,

 

 

And what did that last Scottish referendum tell us?

Interesting, now that Gibraltar is part of Schengen...  it sort of sets a precedent for Scotland I would think... being the only area within the UK that voted to stay in the EU that has not been allowed to decide for itself.... this Gibraltar agreement will only add oil to the fire.... 

 

Gibraltar Wins Special Brexit Arrangements - What About Scotland Now?

 

 

 

10 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

 

 

And what did that last Scottish referendum tell us?

It told us that they wanted to stay in the EU more than they wanted total independence ????

1 minute ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

It told us that they wanted to stay in the EU more than they wanted total independence ????

To me it said that the Scots wanted to remain in the Union and they have. The referendum was in 2014 and 2 years before the Brexit referendum which wasn't even on the radar then.

 

Their referendum denied a vote to any Scots people living outside of Scotland. The did however allow anybody living in Scotland down to 16 years old to have a vote.

 

Their referendum was probably written by the same people that wrote the Brexit referendum.

 

Nice try but no cigar.

5 minutes ago, billd766 said:

To me it said that the Scots wanted to remain in the Union and they have. The referendum was in 2014 and 2 years before the Brexit referendum which wasn't even on the radar then.

It is meaningless what it means to you or to me... but since one of the major arguments that was used to hit Scotland over the head in a project fear was that if you voted for independence you would be outside the EU... the only way to solve it is to either allow Scotland to make their own Gibraltar agreement or for another referendum to clear up the status since with the UK exiting and Scotland voting to stay... and being pulled out against their will (while other parts of the UK remain in)... literally cannot stand and will only make the situation with Scotland worse in the future.  A referendum now rather than later may be the only thing that saves the chance of the remaining UK with Scotland surviving.

Edited January 1, 20215 yr by bkkcanuck8

51 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

It is meaningless what it means to you or to me... but since one of the major arguments that was used to hit Scotland over the head in a project fear was that if you voted for independence you would be outside the EU... the only way to solve it is to either allow Scotland to make their own Gibraltar agreement or for another referendum to clear up the status since with the UK exiting and Scotland voting to stay... and being pulled out against their will (while other parts of the UK remain in)... literally cannot stand and will only make the situation with Scotland worse in the future.  A referendum now rather than later may be the only thing that saves the chance of the remaining UK with Scotland surviving.

 

Barking mad as well as up the wrong tree. Scotland is a country that is part of the United Kingdom itself. Gibraltar is a British Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom but not a constituent part of the UK. Therefore the two are very different and cannot be compared with each other, as you try to do. This sounds like yet another ruse to justify another Scottish referendum, which after 300 years of being in the Union, should not occur such a short time after the last one. Additionally, the SNP engineered voting rules should be condemned and changed to allow more true-born Scots to vote, instead of children, short-term residents and recently convicted felons.   

In a few weeks the Brexit deal will be examined by the European parliament, with very high chances it is approved. 

 

I wonder how long it will take to the Brits to notice that this deal is much worse than the Withdrawal Agreement and try to renege... 

39 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

In a few weeks the Brexit deal will be examined by the European parliament, with very high chances it is approved. 

 

I wonder how long it will take to the Brits to notice that this deal is much worse than the Withdrawal Agreement and try to renege... 

of course it is, every political analyst I’ve read to date (no doubt all bias ????) has stated the EU came out on top. But how could that ever be a surprise. Once the first of Bojos endless ‘we’ll walk’ ultimatums was laughed at, he was toast ! 

16 minutes ago, Bruntoid said:

of course it is, every political analyst I’ve read to date (no doubt all bias ????) has stated the EU came out on top. But how could that ever be a surprise. Once the first of Bojos endless ‘we’ll walk’ ultimatums was laughed at, he was toast ! 

Perhaps it is,perhaps it wasn,t,only time will tell,still freedom never comes cheap and you only learn by your mistakes,in this case you sleep with dogs and you get fleas.

18 minutes ago, Bruntoid said:

of course it is, every political analyst I’ve read to date (no doubt all bias ????) has stated the EU came out on top. But how could that ever be a surprise. Once the first of Bojos endless ‘we’ll walk’ ultimatums was laughed at, he was toast ! 

Who cares what 'political analysts' state, or economists, if things are looking that bad for the UK I find it quite interesting the GBP is purchasing 40.84 baht and the Euro is purchasing 36.70 baht

4 hours ago, kingdong said:

The only reason the dutch and germans are bailing out the financial banana republics is it suits them financially,in any event its down to the citizens ultimately,look how one man the great nigel farage bought down a prime minister and put the great back into britain.

So you agree that Italy and Greece won't leave.

50 minutes ago, 473geo said:

Who cares what 'political analysts' state, or economists, if things are looking that bad for the UK I find it quite interesting the GBP is purchasing 40.84 baht and the Euro is purchasing 36.70 baht

You never noticed they keep alway almost same points now different from each other ...? 

 

The starting value from Euro in time ...and the glorious historicall value from Gbp to present times now  however is outragious in downfall ...

4 hours ago, vogie said:

And in the same breath I should not have to remind you that the Scots were given that opportunity to "determine their own future" in 2014 and very astutely they chose to remain in the United Kingdom.

And Boris has acknowledged it.

The same old garbage. 

You are quite free to believe the concept of self determination is invalid, but voting for brexit highlights the hypocrisy, of course you are not alone, the UK government supported the Kosovo UDI.

Scotland  can only hope you keep on saying NO.

 

When 55 per cent of the Scottish people agreed to stay in the UK, that was after they were told by David Cameron that it was the best way to stay in the EU. In fact, between 2014 and 2016, Scotland voted to stay in an EU country, not once, but twice. Then, whenever Scottish MPs raised this point, those MPs were told: but you voted to stay in the UK and the UK voted to leave the EU. Anyone with any integrity knows Scotland’s consent has been violated, so they at least have the right to revisit the issue. And the more Westminster says “no”, the stronger the argument for independence becomes.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-deal-eu-trade-covid-electoral-reform-b1781185.html?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=Feed

 

4 hours ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

 

 

And what did that last Scottish referendum tell us?

One has to assume you have been asleep for the last 5 years, just woken up and think nothing has changed,

4 hours ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

Interesting, now that Gibraltar is part of Schengen...  it sort of sets a precedent for Scotland I would think... being the only area within the UK that voted to stay in the EU that has not been allowed to decide for itself.... this Gibraltar agreement will only add oil to the fire.... 

 

Gibraltar Wins Special Brexit Arrangements - What About Scotland Now?

 

 

 

That should be a stark warning for the jocks,don,t touch the eu with a barge pole.

45 minutes ago, stevenl said:

So you agree that Italy and Greece won't leave.

Who?the greek and italian people or their governments?only way to find out would be to hold peop!es votes,sorry,i forgot the eu dosen,t like democracy.

26 minutes ago, david555 said:

You never noticed they keep alway almost same points now different from each other ...? 

 

The starting value from Euro in time ...and the glorious historicall value from Gbp to present times now  however is outragious in downfall ...

 

David, in 2010 the high for the Euro was circa 0.90 GBP the high for the Euro in 2020 0.89 GBP

 

So where is the downward trend due to the much heralded predicted collapse of the UK economy? supporting the forecasts and boasts that the EU has come out of Brexit in a much stronger position

 

Not a trick question just interesting

6 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Who?the greek and italian people or their governments?only way to find out would be to hold peop!es votes,sorry,i forgot the eu dosen,t like democracy.

Counts same for the scotts i would say ...oh ...but that would be a categorised  as a unpleasant democracy by #10..????

9 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Who?the greek and italian people or their governments?only way to find out would be to hold peop!es votes,sorry,i forgot the eu dosen,t like democracy.

You are free to believe what you want.

 

Referendums are frequently used to ratify European Union (EU)–related propositions. Since 1972 there have been in total 46 EU-related referendums, excluding third-country referendums on EU-related matters. While referendums are constitutionally mandated in some countries in order to ratify new treaties, other referendums are held for either normative or for political reasons.

https://oxfordre.com/politics/view/10.1093/acrefore/9780190228637.001.0001/acrefore-9780190228637-e-503

3 minutes ago, 473geo said:

 

David, in 2010 the high for the Euro was circa 0.90 GBP the high for the Euro in 2020 0.89 GBP

 

So where is the downward trend due to the much heralded predicted collapse of the UK economy? supporting the forecasts and boasts that the EU has come out of Brexit in a much stronger position

 

Not a trick question just interesting

I only noticed that the difference latest is mostly 4 to 5 points ...

What i meant is that decades already the Gbp is declining big ......

 

But have to admit U.K. have become a very good deal .....O.K. ...?

????

7 minutes ago, david555 said:

Counts same for the scotts i would say ...oh ...but that would be a categorised  as a unpleasant democracy by #10..????

On a personal level i couldn,t give a tinkers cuss if scotland.gets its independence or not,just trying to warn them of the dangers.of signing theirselves into servitude,the actions of a good neighbour

 

Edited January 1, 20215 yr by kingdong

2 minutes ago, kingdong said:

On a personal level i couldn,t give a tinkers cuss if scotland.gets its independence or not,just trying to warn them of the dangers.of signing theirselves into servitude,the actions of a good neighbour

 

Are you O.K. ...?????

This deal is the best both could agree , not ideal but let Boris not loose face ......and above all it seems E.U. let Boris have his father Christmas appearance ....????

Edited January 1, 20215 yr by david555

11 minutes ago, 473geo said:

 

David, in 2010 the high for the Euro was circa 0.90 GBP the high for the Euro in 2020 0.89 GBP

 

So where is the downward trend due to the much heralded predicted collapse of the UK economy? supporting the forecasts and boasts that the EU has come out of Brexit in a much stronger position

 

Not a trick question just interesting

 

Wonder why you cherry-pick 2010. Brexit talks didn't start that year, did they?

 

Maybe you forgot when they started, so here is a reminder for you

 

1 minute ago, david555 said:

Are you O.K. ...?????

I,m ok tabs playing up.

1 minute ago, kingdong said:

I,m ok tabs playing up.

 

Bar tabs

1 minute ago, david555 said:

I only noticed that the difference latest is mostly 4 to 5 points ...

What i meant is that decades already the Gbp is declining big ......

 

But have to admit U.K. have become a very good deal .....O.K. ...?

????

Understand what you are conveying David, Being a member of this forum you will be well aware of the drop against the baht of many currencies, some of us have been fortunate to put our GBP to good use years ago (as it turns out) I doubt this was due to any 'political'  'economic' statements or predictions that people these days set such store by.

 

1 minute ago, Susco said:

 

Wonder why you cherry-pick 2010. Brexit talks didn't start that year, did they?

 

Maybe you forgot when they started, so here is a reminder for you

 

Round number 2010  you see 2011 euro went higher, so what no marked difference over 10 years, so where is the slump that should surely have come into effect by now - you make no point at all