transam Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Bluespunk said: Racial discrimination is based upon bigotry... When did burger king become an issue involving discrimination? Showing support for a movement exposing discrimination is not the same as advertising fast food. I personally have no racial bigotry, ask my black friends of 40 years. You didn't see the jest, that's OK, so I assume you want sporting events taken over by nothing to do with the sport. Hmmmm. There are a zillion things out there that folk can complain about, but folk don't mix it with sport, but you want too. Thank gawd the Brexit remainers didn't come up with the idea eh....???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Just now, transam said: I personally have no racial bigotry, ask my black friends of 40 years. You didn't see the jest, that's OK, so I assume you want sporting events taken over by nothing to do with the sport. Hmmmm. There are a zillion things out there that folk can complain about, but folk don't mix it with sport, but you want too. Thank gawd the Brexit remainers didn't come up with the idea eh....???? No comment on your opening sentence... You can assume but you are wrong. Lewis Hamilton can comment on whichever issue he wishes and that is his right. The fact you don't like his stance is irrelevant. why are you dragging brexit into this? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: No comment on your opening sentence... You can assume but you are wrong. Lewis Hamilton can comment on whichever issue he wishes and that is his right. The fact you don't like his stance is irrelevant. why are you dragging brexit into this? So it's OK for all sports folk to stand on a box before a sporting event to spout their problem...???? Brexit, you missed the jest again.....???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Just now, transam said: So it's OK for all sports folk to stand on a box before a sporting event to spout their problem...???? Brexit, you missed the jest again.....???? I don't care what they stand upon. Yeah right...jesting... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 hour ago, transam said: <snip> I personally have no racial bigotry, ask my black friends of 40 years. Ah, the old "I'm not a racist, I've got a black friend" pony. You remind me of West Ham fans who, whilst throwing bananas and making monkey noises at black players on opposing teams, said of Clyde Best "He may be a n*****; but he's our n*****!" 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 I don't recall many of those complaining that Hamilton should not receive this honour because he's a tax exile saying the same about white tax exiles who have been given the same honour! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patts Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 hour ago, 7by7 said: I don't recall many of those complaining that Hamilton should not receive this honour because he's a tax exile saying the same about white tax exiles who have been given the same honour! The same have been said about numerous "White" tax avoiders over the years......Whats your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, Patts said: The same have been said about numerous "White" tax avoiders over the years......Whats your point? Has it? Maybe you can underline your statement with some links? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patts Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 (edited) 36 minutes ago, stevenl said: Has it? Maybe you can underline your statement with some links? There have been tens if not hundreds of "white" celebrates who have been dragged through mud and flamed in the media for avoiding Tax over the past few years. Some people are all too happy to claim racism just because the person being spoke about is black, when race should never have been a factor; so who does that make the racists? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45377362 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6120405/Celebrities-use-tax-avoidance-schemes-blocked-getting-knighthoods.html Edited January 4, 2021 by Patts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sujo Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 13 minutes ago, Patts said: There have been tens if not hundreds of "white" celebrates who have been dragged through mud and flamed in the media for avoiding Tax over the past few years. Some people are all too happy to claim racism just because the person being spoke about is black, when race should never have been a factor; so who does that make the racists? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45377362 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6120405/Celebrities-use-tax-avoidance-schemes-blocked-getting-knighthoods.html Complaining of black peoples injustice does not have to mean he suffered it himself, but he is aware of it happening, which it does. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sujo Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, transam said: I personally have no racial bigotry, ask my black friends of 40 years. You didn't see the jest, that's OK, so I assume you want sporting events taken over by nothing to do with the sport. Hmmmm. There are a zillion things out there that folk can complain about, but folk don't mix it with sport, but you want too. Thank gawd the Brexit remainers didn't come up with the idea eh....???? Yeah sports people have always limited themselves to only speaking to whats relevant to their sport. Not. Cigarettes and beer companies have nothing to do with how a sportsman performs, but they have promoted them. again, why should he have less rights to an opinion to less talented people? if their sponsors ok it then its none of your business. Edited January 4, 2021 by Sujo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 22 minutes ago, Patts said: There have been tens if not hundreds of "white" celebrates who have been dragged through mud and flamed in the media for avoiding Tax over the past few years. Some people are all too happy to claim racism just because the person being spoke about is black, when race should never have been a factor; so who does that make the racists? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45377362 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6120405/Celebrities-use-tax-avoidance-schemes-blocked-getting-knighthoods.html Hardly any examples, and not one where honours were rejected. You'll have to do better. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patts Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Just now, stevenl said: Hardly any examples, and not one where honours were rejected. You'll have to do better. Honors haven't been rejected for Lewis so what the hell are you talking about, people have just been saying he shouldn't get it for avoiding TAX, exactly the same as has happened to other sports personalities and celebs over the years. You want more proof you can spend your time googling it, rather then wasting mine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patts Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 14 minutes ago, Sujo said: Complaining of black peoples injustice does not have to mean he suffered it himself, but he is aware of it happening, which it does. I'm sorry but what does your comment have to do with the post that you quoted? (copied below) "There have been tens if not hundreds of "white" celebrates who have been dragged through mud and flamed in the media for avoiding Tax over the past few years. Some people are all too happy to claim racism just because the person being spoke about is black, when race should never have been a factor; so who does that make the racists?" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45377362 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6120405/Celebrities-use-tax-avoidance-schemes-blocked-getting-knighthoods.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 35 minutes ago, Patts said: Honors haven't been rejected for Lewis so what the hell are you talking about, people have just been saying he shouldn't get it for avoiding TAX, exactly the same as has happened to other sports personalities and celebs over the years. You want more proof you can spend your time googling it, rather then wasting mine. You were the one making claims, can't substantiate them, so now ask me to proof your claims. No. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patts Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 hour ago, stevenl said: You were the one making claims, can't substantiate them, so now ask me to proof your claims. No. I've provided links that show others being treated exactly the same as Lewis over Tax evasion, so yes I can and have substantiated what I claimed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 47 minutes ago, Patts said: I've provided links that show others being treated exactly the same as Lewis over Tax evasion, so yes I can and have substantiated what I claimed. No, those links only shows the revenue department puts a green, yellow or red light as advisory on candidates. Probably this was also put on lewis, but nothing like the public firestorm we were talking about. Looking forward to your applicable links. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruntoid Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 On 12/31/2020 at 9:41 AM, Farma said: The dailymail got it right. Arise,Sir Tax Exile ! Lewis Hamilton gets a knighthood despite living in Swiss and Monaco havens for 13 years Become a multi millionaire and report back where your accountant has told you to live 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CG1 Blue Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 11 hours ago, stevenl said: The post I reacted to questioned whether Hamilton said anything about F1 being racist. Hamilton said, see the article "“I see those of you who are staying silent, some of you the biggest stars yet you stay silent in the midst of injustice,” Hamilton wrote. “Not a sign from anybody in my industry which of course is a white-dominated sport. I’m one of the only people of colour there yet I stand alone. “I would have thought by now you would see why this happens and say something about it but you can’t stand alongside us. “Just know I know who you are and I see you.”" Very clear message he considers F1 racist. And about F1 and motorsport in general being racist, read the article again, very clear text but I can't quote more due to this forum's fair use policy. F1 bosses / sponsors spend millions, and more than anything else they want the best drivers in their cars so that their cars win races. If there were other brilliant black drivers available who would win world titles for the F1 bosses, they'd hire them in a nanosecond. Does Hamilton think the bosses would turn down the chance to make more money just because a driver is black? I wonder if there are any examples of talented young black drivers who have worked their socks off only to be overlooked in favour of a less talented white driver. If there were examples of this I might be less irritated by Hamilton's preaching. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Inflammatory post reported and removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 13 hours ago, 7by7 said: Ah, the old "I'm not a racist, I've got a black friend" pony. You remind me of West Ham fans who, whilst throwing bananas and making monkey noises at black players on opposing teams, said of Clyde Best "He may be a n*****; but he's our n*****!" "Pony", well, if you don't want to believe the truth from me, that is your problem, but it actually shows where you are coming from, thankfully many are reading. Well done.....Oh, and Happy New Year......???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 10 hours ago, Sujo said: Yeah sports people have always limited themselves to only speaking to whats relevant to their sport. Not. Cigarettes and beer companies have nothing to do with how a sportsman performs, but they have promoted them. again, why should he have less rights to an opinion to less talented people? if their sponsors ok it then its none of your business. I am free to voice my opinion here on the topic, just because you don't like it is your business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 7 hours ago, Bruntoid said: Hee hee the ol ‘im not racist some of my friends are black’ line (providing those black peoples are well out of earshot as you bore the utter <deleted> out of everyone in the WMC) Happy New Year chap.....???? So you are another that can't bear to read the truth from a member, though I am not surprised in your case either. Answer me a question, my wife is Asian, does a racist marry an Asian, or are you going to tell me I am a liar......? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieH Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Reported post removed. Do not make personal remarks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sujo Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 40 minutes ago, transam said: I am free to voice my opinion here on the topic, just because you don't like it is your business. And i am free to prove you wrong whether you like it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sujo Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 34 minutes ago, transam said: Happy New Year chap.....???? So you are another that can't bear to read the truth from a member, though I am not surprised in your case either. Answer me a question, my wife is Asian, does a racist marry an Asian, or are you going to tell me I am a liar......? Of course they do, happens often, they like submissives no matter what race. one can also be racist against one race but not others. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Sujo said: And i am free to prove you wrong whether you like it or not. You have proved me wrong, now come on chap, you haven't done anything of the sort......???? But, Happy New Year......???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sujo Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 hour ago, transam said: You have proved me wrong, now come on chap, you haven't done anything of the sort......???? But, Happy New Year......???? And to you, near time for an ale, again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Sujo said: And to you, near time for an ale, again. You go ahead, I am saving myself for the party tonight.......???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patts Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 13 hours ago, stevenl said: No, those links only shows the revenue department puts a green, yellow or red light as advisory on candidates. Probably this was also put on lewis, but nothing like the public firestorm we were talking about. Looking forward to your applicable links. You know all too well that tens if not hundreds of White celebrities have been treated the same as LH over the past decade for TAX avoidance, you're just being as difficult as possible which says a lot about the person you are. examples are a plenty, here's some from a minute of searches: https://theferret.scot/scotland-uk-country-export-import/ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18531008 https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/08/harvey-weinstein-shakira-martha-stewart-madonna-nicole-kidman-offshore https://citywire.co.uk/wealth-manager/news/10-top-celebrity-tax-avoiders/a761067 https://www.crunch.co.uk/knowledge/tax/how-famous-tax-dodgers-came-unstuck/ https://metro.co.uk/2017/06/03/list-of-100-celebrities-caught-in-700-million-tax-relief-scheme-revealed-6681782/ https://www.theguardian.com/politics/shortcuts/2014/may/12/gary-barlow-obe-david-cameron-tax-avoidance https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7156857/fury-over-tax-avoiding-stars-who-were-handed-gongs-despite-honours-blacklist-which-is-supposed-to-ban-them/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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