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Wednesday, May 9, 2007 5:56 PM CDT

ISU expels Thai student who inquired about gun

NORMAL, Ill. - Illinois State University expelled a graduate student from Thailand who inquired during class about his rights to buy a gun just three days after a Virginia Tech shooting rampage that left 32 people dead last month, authorities said.

ISU spokesman Jay Groves on Wednesday called the timing of the expulsion "coincidental," saying the university decided to expel 31-year-old Rithichai Yibcharoenporn before the gun inquiry but had not yet completed the necessary steps to remove him as a student.

Yibcharoenporn, who attended the 20,000-student school for about four years, had a long history of confrontations with ISU faculty and staff, Groves said.

Groves said Yibcharoenporn, a doctoral student in ISU's English program, also was failing to make academic progress and faced student conduct violations, but refused to participate in required programs to address those problems.

"Even if the Virginia Tech incident had not happened, his problems were enough to generate his removal," Groves said.

But the university acted swiftly after Yibcharoenporn, who had complained earlier about unfair treatment by ISU, asked a professor about his constitutional rights to buy a gun during a required writing exam on April 19.

Four days later, the university expelled Yibcharoenporn and assisted U.S. immigration officials in taking him into custody. His student visa is no longer valid since he was expelled.

Immigration officials did not immediately return calls regarding where Yibcharoenporn is being held, but Groves said he expects he will be returned to Thailand later this month.

ISU police also have issued an order that prohibits him from returning to the central Illinois campus.

Faculty and staff had reported confrontations with Yibcharoenporn dating back to October, according to reports filed with ISU police. Yibcharoenporn argued over exam questions, grades, his student insurance policy and his job in a campus dining hall from which he was later dismissed, reports say.

No criminal charges were filed, but reports were turned over to the university's dean of students office, which handles student disciplinary matters, ISU police Capt. Don Knapp said.

Groves said expulsions are infrequent at ISU, but could not say how often they occur.

Information from: The (Bloomington) Pantagraph, http://www.pantagraph.com

A service of the Associated Press(AP)

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Hmmm, nice to see they're keeping more of an eye on students & possible emotional problems since Virginia Tech, but I wonder if it's just "coincidence" that he's Asian. Would they have expelled an American student for the same transgressions?

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Based on his history, I believe they would

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Rithichai Yibcharoenporn

ISU expels student over gun inquiry

An Illinois State University doctoral student from Thailand has been expelled after asking his teacher about his right to buy a gun.

31-year-old Rithichai Yibcharoenporn comments during class came three days after the Virginia Tech shootings.

ISU officials said Yibcharoenporn, also known as “Toro”, was expelled for several reason.

University spokesperson Jay Groves said Toro had a history of confrontations such as arguing with teachers about exam questions and grades.

Groves said his expulsion right after Virginia Tech was coincidental.

"The process for his removal, because of working with INS [immigration and Naturalization Service] takes some time so that process was in place well before that happened," Groves said.

- WHOI-TV

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Expelled ISU student to be returned to Thailand

Immigration officials say they plan to return a former Illinois State University student to his native Thailand, after he was expelled from school.

31-year-old graduate student Rithichai Yibcharoenporn was picked up by the Immigration and Customs Enforcement on April 23, after reportedly asked a professor about his rights to buy a gun, three days after the Virginia tech shootings, and had previously claimed the school had treated him unfairly.

But ISU spokesman Jay Groves says that wasn't why the student was kicked out. Several complaints have been filed with ISU Police against Yibcharoenporn over the last eight months he was on campus.

ICE spokeswoman Gail Montengero says Yibcharoenporn remains in their custody and his exchange visitor visa is being pulled, because he was "involuntarily withdrawn" from ISU.

- WJBC Radio

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Whoa, who jumped on the bandwagon? Says here this student started causing a kerfuffle way back in October!!!! Seems to me then he knew exactly what would happen with the timing of his latest outburst. Silly boy. Sorry he's 31. Silly man.

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Considering what the richer, fancy-pants group of Thais are used to in terms of "arguing" about their grades with teachers and professors here (i.e., a higher grade is often for sale), I can easily imagine why they might have wanted to be rid of him. Might have figured that he shouldn't have been accepted considering past grade "inflation" from Thai institutions. It's one big argument against the phenomenon at institutions that theoretically want to send their students abroad (i.e., if it becomes the stereotype of Thai education abroad they won't accept as many Thai students)- but try as we might, most of us teachers can't argue the corruption away.

"S"

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ISU expels student after gun inquiry

ISU spokesman Jay Groves said the decision to expel Rithichai "Toro" Yibcharoenporn, 31, an English graduate student from Thailand, was based on the student's history of trouble with faculty members.

University Police Captain Donald Knapp said several faculty members filed formal complaints regarding Yibcharoenporn's behavior in October, November, January, March and April. "Our officers and two immigration officers found him in Bone Student Center. Several of our officers recognized him because they had intermittent contact with him," Knapp said.

Yibcharoenporn allegedly inquired about gun ownership during a writing exam three days after the Virginia Tech shootings and ISU President Al Bowman enacted the involuntary withdrawal procedure four days later, and Yibcharoenporn was immediately dismissed from the school without a disciplinary panel review.

Groves said Yibcharoenporn chose not to participate in the student judicial process to attempt to remain a student at the university.

Police reports cite the student's arguments with faculty and staff members over exam questions, grades, insurance, employment in the campus dining services and his dismissal from that job.

"He was just rude and loud and caused disturbances in various offices. Several staff members called us, but he was never arrested. It was just a student code violation thing," Knapp said.

- Peoria Journal Star (Get a kick for being able to cite them for the first time ever. A great newspaper and my first employer....as a 10-year paperboy.. :o )

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But SRJ- did you play in Peoria???

(sorry, had to say it!)

"Steven"

Yes, but I never played with myself there... not when I was 10, anyway :o

no problem... have heard that line many times...

I've also been to the nearby ISU campus many times where this all happened with friends that were students...

It's a huge school with a sizeable Asian student population.

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USA move to deport 'aggressive' Thai

A Thai graduate student who argued about the American constitutional right to own a gun may be deported from the United States later this month after being expelled from university, the Foreign Ministry said yesterday.

Rithichai Yibcharoenporn was expelled from the Illinois State University (ISU) for misbehaviour and his "aggressive manner" towards the campus administration.

Police said ISU staff were concerned after his April 19 enquiry about his constitutional rights to buy a gun, because the comments were made during a required writing exam and because of his previous claims of having been treated unfairly at the university.

Rithichai made his enquiry just three days after the Virginia Tech shooting by a South Korean student that left 33 people dead.

The student has the right to appeal to the US Immigration Court. If he wins he will have the right to stay in the USA, but would need to find a new educational institution, said Foreign Ministry spokesman Tharit Charungvat.

"But if he chooses deportation, he will be barred from re-entering the USA for 10 years," the spokesman said.

As things stand, it looks like Rithichai will be deported on May 21.

The Thai Consul General in Chicago, Narong Sasitorn, said the student had a long "negative record" at the university for his aggressive behaviour.

The university administration said the decision to expel Rithichai, who is also known as "Toro", was not connected to the Virginia tragedy.

Rather, his expulsion stemmed from a string of formal complaints dating back six months and his failure to make academic progress, said Jay Groves, an ISU spokesman.

"The timing is coincidental, because he had this record of trouble before that, and he wasn't doing anything to answer to those student codes of conduct problems," Groves said in an Illinois local newspaper Pantagraph.

"Even if the Virginia Tech incident had not happened, his problems were enough to generate his removal."

But action against the international student followed swiftly after the gun comment, the paper said.

On April 23 the university changed Rithichai's student status to "involuntary withdrawal" - an immediate dismissal without a disciplinary panel review - and the US Immigration took him into custody at the Bone Student Centre on campus.

Rithichai has a history of confrontation with the university staff. The campus filed police reports of incidents in October, November, January, March and April.

The reports focus on his arguments over exam questions, grades, his student insurance policy, student employment in the campus dining services and his later dismissal from that job. No criminal charges were filed.

Rithichai's 61-year-old mother said she was shocked about the news of her son's dismissal and allegations of misbehaviour.

"My son is not the kind of person who would slip into class with a gun," she said. "He is a person who loves to collect books, not weapons," she said, adding, "He has a lot of books." :o:D*well then, it's all been a mistake. He's a great person because hey... he likes books.*

He might have been curious about the legalities of owning a weapon in the US after the Virginia Tech shooting, said his mother, who declined to have her name published.

She admitted her son used to complain about his sour relations with the university's lecturers and staff over his academic work. "But I don't think it would be a big enough deal to expel my son," she said.

*yep Mom... erratic behaviour for six months with frequent verbal outbursts aimed at people in authority and lack of academic progress tend to be viewed as a big deal... particularly when it involves someone that is enrolled in a Doctoral program. Funny how the school is so picky that it expects them to behave rationally, maturely, and responsibly.*

Rithichai graduated with a BA from Assumption University and earned a master's degree in language and communication from the National Institute for Development and Administration (NIDA).

His mother said he might return to resume his work as a lecturer at Silapakorn University and complete his PhD studies in Thailand.

*gosh.. he sounds like he'd be great to have as a professor himself... when can I go to Sila to sign up to be one of his students? Can I gripe aggressively at him if I get a grade that displeases me?*

- The Nation

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Look at all of you. How badly you are accusing him without knowing the story from his side. :o

People often (can i say always?) complain about Thailand for being irrational. Now this is more than irrational on the part of university for doing such act.

Although, I am not sure about what happened in real. :D

I blame university for getting cheap publicity (that would be the response for all of you, had it been done by a Thai university with a "white" student). OR maybe the student may also be to blame.

However, considering the behavior of average westerner (can I say white?) student his behavior is limited to verbal outburst while the white students break the neck of the teacher.

http://www.wlbz2.com/news/watercooler/arti...x?storyid=58958

or a 15 years old boy accusing a 60 years old lady teacher for sexual assault, when the teacher in fact just grabbed the hand of the student in order to stop him from hitting the other student (this happened to my friend).

In the face of these two (there are millions more) incidents of "white" students, this Thai guy is a victim of neo-cons.

On the other hand, the Thai student may be at fault for shouting or even misconduct with the teachers. I cannot form any opinion on this incident as I do not know the real situation.

I just do not understand that how people believe in everything they read or listen to.

I am waiting for the bashing from some of the "most learned" TV members. :D

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I am waiting for the bashing from some of the "most learned" TV members. :D

Not from me.

I also think this is a bit fishy. I wouldn't mind getting the other side of the story. Inquiring and discussing/arguing about gun laws? Since when is that illegal? Especially in a country that is known to be more liberal with guns than Afghanistan. :D

Arguing about grades? So what, who has not argued about grades?

Unspecified "aggressive behavior"? I wouldn't mind knowing what exactly was that aggressive behavior before casting a judgment.

Very bewildering how all and sundry here make these judgments based on very thin information, sounds more than a bit biased. How comes that without knowing the details suddenly people here make all sorts of accusations without one bit of evidence?

Oh yeah, he is Thai, so he must be wrong... :o

I prefer to wait for further details.

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It should be noted that as a foreign student in the U.S., he would be paying a high premium of fees (unless a scholarship student, which seems unlikely considering the circumstances). Therefore, it would probably be something quite serious- which is implied by the comments published in the articles- to lead to disciplinary methods which would result in likely deportation. Since the college mentions behavioural problems over 6 months, they have no doubt collected a paper trail- as all U.S. institutions now do as standard practice in anticipation of legal challenges- detailing his violations of the student code.

I very much doubt that anything more will enter the public domain, as the university itself will have to abide by strict legal rules regarding slander/libel. However, they've given us enough to read between the lines, and as a teacher what I infer is a history of aggressive- probably very aggressive- refusal to accept the grades he has actually earned- which I can understand fully from my experience of certain Thai students in situ. It's all speculation, of course, but being in the biz I can make an "educated" guess. (haha).

"Steven"

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^I very much doubt that anything more will enter the public domain, as the university itself will have to abide by strict legal rules regarding slander/libel. However, they've given us enough to read between the lines, and as a teacher what I infer is a history of aggressive refusal to accept the grades he has actually earned- which I can understand fully from my experience of certain Thai students in situ. It's all speculation, of course, but being in the biz I can make an "educated" guess. (haha).

"Steven"

Alright, now we guessing because we read between the lines, based on not even a school report, but a few articles in the media.

Sometimes it just takes one teacher who has a personal problem with a student, and a chain reaction of mobbing starts. There are always two sides to a story. I would prefer to hear the other side as well before casting my judgment. There are bad teachers, and there are good teachers. Having been in the biz of attending schools, i have met both, mostly though unfortunately the bad ones.

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Well, then we may as well say that no accurate information is available about the incident at all (though I imagine there were witnesses in the exam room to the "gun" reference, and I also note that there were a number of police reports spread over months involving the student and university staff- police! Usually the "campus security" is as far as it goes) and there's no point in discussing anything. I prefer to start on the basis that something other than a teacher's grudge against an individual student resulted in his becoming a disciplinary problem, possibly something actually based on the substance of the reported article- silly, I know, but it is the available source. Based on that information, I extrapolate accordingly (and I would venture to bet, accurately). If you want to doubt the entire content of the news article, it really is pointless to continue any discussion with you, and I shall not.

"Steven"

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USA move to deport 'aggressive' Thai

A Thai graduate student who argued about the American constitutional right to own a gun may be deported from the United States later this month after being expelled from university, the Foreign Ministry said yesterday.

Rithichai Yibcharoenporn was expelled from the Illinois State University (ISU) for misbehaviour and his "aggressive manner" towards the campus administration.

Police said ISU staff were concerned after his April 19 enquiry about his constitutional rights to buy a gun, because the comments were made during a required writing exam and because of his previous claims of having been treated unfairly at the university.

Rithichai made his enquiry just three days after the Virginia Tech shooting by a South Korean student that left 33 people dead.

The student has the right to appeal to the US Immigration Court. If he wins he will have the right to stay in the USA, but would need to find a new educational institution, said Foreign Ministry spokesman Tharit Charungvat.

"But if he chooses deportation, he will be barred from re-entering the USA for 10 years," the spokesman said.

As things stand, it looks like Rithichai will be deported on May 21.

The Thai Consul General in Chicago, Narong Sasitorn, said the student had a long "negative record" at the university for his aggressive behaviour.

The university administration said the decision to expel Rithichai, who is also known as "Toro", was not connected to the Virginia tragedy.

Rather, his expulsion stemmed from a string of formal complaints dating back six months and his failure to make academic progress, said Jay Groves, an ISU spokesman.

"The timing is coincidental, because he had this record of trouble before that, and he wasn't doing anything to answer to those student codes of conduct problems," Groves said in an Illinois local newspaper Pantagraph.

"Even if the Virginia Tech incident had not happened, his problems were enough to generate his removal."

But action against the international student followed swiftly after the gun comment, the paper said.

On April 23 the university changed Rithichai's student status to "involuntary withdrawal" - an immediate dismissal without a disciplinary panel review - and the US Immigration took him into custody at the Bone Student Centre on campus.

Rithichai has a history of confrontation with the university staff. The campus filed police reports of incidents in October, November, January, March and April.

The reports focus on his arguments over exam questions, grades, his student insurance policy, student employment in the campus dining services and his later dismissal from that job. No criminal charges were filed.

Rithichai's 61-year-old mother said she was shocked about the news of her son's dismissal and allegations of misbehaviour.

"My son is not the kind of person who would slip into class with a gun," she said. "He is a person who loves to collect books, not weapons," she said, adding, "He has a lot of books." :o:D*well then, it's all been a mistake. He's a great person because hey... he likes books.*

He might have been curious about the legalities of owning a weapon in the US after the Virginia Tech shooting, said his mother, who declined to have her name published.

She admitted her son used to complain about his sour relations with the university's lecturers and staff over his academic work. "But I don't think it would be a big enough deal to expel my son," she said.

*yep Mom... erratic behaviour for six months with frequent verbal outbursts aimed at people in authority and lack of academic progress tend to be viewed as a big deal... particularly when it involves someone that is enrolled in a Doctoral program. Funny how the school is so picky that it expects them to behave rationally, maturely, and responsibly.*

Rithichai graduated with a BA from Assumption University and earned a master's degree in language and communication from the National Institute for Development and Administration (NIDA).

His mother said he might return to resume his work as a lecturer at Silapakorn University and complete his PhD studies in Thailand.

*gosh.. he sounds like he'd be great to have as a professor himself... when can I go to Sila to sign up to be one of his students? Can I gripe aggressively at him if I get a grade that displeases me?*

- The Nation

Gee I love your smart ass comments on a situation you only have one side of. Nancey Grace just left Court TV maybe you can take up her place and continue her practice of automatically convicting someone with out hearing their side. You would have been a great side kick to her when she coved the Duke case.

now that is out of my system, I will say that this guy might be an anti social person who could not cut it academically. It might be better he was kicked out of the University. What I find scary is that a university can kick you out and then the police can come put you in jail right away without any criminal charges at all and you can't do anything about it. If that happend here I would say it is BS and it is BS in this case also.

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Gee I love your smart ass comments on a situation you only have one side of. Nancey Grace just left Court TV maybe you can take up her place and continue her practice of automatically convicting someone with out hearing their side. You would have been a great side kick to her when she coved the Duke case.

now that is out of my system, I will say that this guy might be an anti social person who could not cut it academically. It might be better he was kicked out of the University. What I find scary is that a university can kick you out and then the police can come put you in jail right away without any criminal charges at all and you can't do anything about it. If that happend here I would say it is BS and it is BS in this case also.

Well here is his side of the story...

He faced student conduct violations, but refused to participate in required programs to address those problems. Again... he wasn't doing anything to answer to those student codes of conduct problems.

Faculty and staff had reported confrontations with Yibcharoenporn dating back to October. It wasn't just academic either coming from "bad" teachers, he was fired from his Uni job for his behaviour.

The campus filed police reports of incidents in October, November, January, March and April. So when is enough is enough lingyai?

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He has had a chance to state his side of the story in a review process that all students have a right to appeal through, as is the norm in most schools, but he refused. He has a right to appeal the immigration decision as well.

Whatever isn't being told is just speculation. If he isn't speaking up for himself when given an opportunity then that's his problem if his side isn't being told.

As for interviewing his mother, that's just crap journalism. What was the interviewer expecting? "My son probably deserved it because I raised an ass" ?

People are forced to leave countries all the time because their visas become invalid when they are kicked out of school, or quit. The Virginia massacre is the only reason this story was even noticed in the first place.

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Well, then we may as well say that no accurate information is available about the incident at all (though I imagine there were witnesses in the exam room to the "gun" reference, and I also note that there were a number of police reports spread over months involving the student and university staff- police! Usually the "campus security" is as far as it goes) and there's no point in discussing anything. I prefer to start on the basis that something other than a teacher's grudge against an individual student resulted in his becoming a disciplinary problem, possibly something actually based on the substance of the reported article- silly, I know, but it is the available source. Based on that information, I extrapolate accordingly (and I would venture to bet, accurately). If you want to doubt the entire content of the news article, it really is pointless to continue any discussion with you, and I shall not.

"Steven"

Am i being argumentative? Bad me.

I don't doubt the entire news content. I do believe that the student has been dismissed. But as the article has very little substance, no reference to the actual violations at all, i do tend not to extrapolate and wait until i get more substantial information.

What i find bewildering is how easily people jump here to conclusions based on guessing, extrapolation and previous experience with some Thai students, but no details about this particular case whatsoever.

He might have been rightfully dismissed, but he may not have been. There are more than a few open questions. But to make any judgment i would prefer more information.

I hope in real life you people do not make judgments based on so little, and only third hand information.

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You know it strikes me after reading this thread and seeing tempers flare, who out there, I mean which of you TV members actually give a hoot about this kid (sorry 31 year old troublemaker :o )or his story?

Is it that important to you?

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Well, then we may as well say that no accurate information is available about the incident at all (though I imagine there were witnesses in the exam room to the "gun" reference, and I also note that there were a number of police reports spread over months involving the student and university staff- police! Usually the "campus security" is as far as it goes) and there's no point in discussing anything. I prefer to start on the basis that something other than a teacher's grudge against an individual student resulted in his becoming a disciplinary problem, possibly something actually based on the substance of the reported article- silly, I know, but it is the available source. Based on that information, I extrapolate accordingly (and I would venture to bet, accurately). If you want to doubt the entire content of the news article, it really is pointless to continue any discussion with you, and I shall not.

"Steven"

Am i being argumentative? Bad me.

Nothing new there.

I don't doubt the entire news content. I do believe that the student has been dismissed. But as the article has very little substance, no reference to the actual violations at all, i do tend not to extrapolate and wait until i get more substantial information.

What i find bewildering is how easily people jump here to conclusions based on guessing, extrapolation and previous experience with some Thai students, but no details about this particular case whatsoever.

What conclusions have people jumped to? That he is overly aggressive? Six months worth of almost monthly run-ins with a variety of people over a variety of issues sounds overly-aggressive to me, especially from someone that is supposed to be a Doctoral candidate. That he has acted bizarrely? Interrupting a test to go and talk to a professor regarding his right to own a gun does sound a tad bizarre. The subsequent banning of him from even setting foot on campus says a fair amount about their concerns about his volatility. That he deserves a dismissal from the university? Well, his not contending the dismissal says a lot. Not making any effort to correct his academic short-comings says even more. If you think the decision to disenroll a foreign student from a Doctoral degree program is taken lightly; it isn't... and that's apparent by the administration's patience with him. He has, after all, been there for four years.

He might have been rightfully dismissed, but he may not have been. There are more than a few open questions. But to make any judgment i would prefer more information.

I hope in real life you people do not make judgments based on so little, and only third hand information.

Third-hand? :o:D Most of the articles' contents stem from first-hand accounts from the university personnel directly involved in his case.

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I am waiting for the bashing from some of the "most learned" TV members. :o

Arguing about grades? So what, who has not argued about grades?

Unspecified "aggressive behavior"? I wouldn't mind knowing what exactly was that aggressive behavior before casting a judgment.

Dont burn your bridges!!

I never argued about a grade. Am I crazy? and I have never heard of a lecturer changing a grade because you "argued". At best, you will piss the person off for questioning his authority and judgement.

You want your teachers to like you .. and want to bend over backwards to help you, if they think you deserve it.. not piss them off. Where did he think recommendations come from?

The fact that the shootings just occured and he inquired about a gun, means..

a) he is a retard

:D he was trying to make somone scared

because no one can be THAT stupid.

The US has enough Kook's. That sadly enough can't be exiled.

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Having seen first hand how young HiSo Thai react when told off by officials, police - being downright rude with something like "Do you know who I am? My dad owns your 455 ? Leave me alone or you will be out of a job tomorrow" - as he is studying in US he is likely part of this elite and used to being able to call the shots. Must be a bit of a wakeup call to find out your money isn't that powerful outside Thailand.

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Imagine the schtick here if a Western kid stopped his studies for any reason and would then find himself in immigration detention waiting for deportation. The start and end of all this is that he did not break any law, still he ended up in jail. If your visa in Thailand ends (say, your employment ends and your visa-extention based on work permit is cancelled) then you just get a couple days to leave the country. They don't throw you in jail first.

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Ajarnmark- You are a professor? The neocons got him? Gee, I thought it was the trilateral commission, or are they all in it together?

Of course we don't know the whole story and of course it's in the news only because of the Virginia tragedy.

But based on the information disclosed, it's my guess that the school got it right, even if they needed a wake up slap from the Virginia tragedy. It's also hard for me to believe that a US university in this era would discriminate based on race. Certainly possible, but not probable, both because they likley wouldn't think that way, and because it would be difficult to get away with it. And as others noted, he had his due process (even if he chose not to participate). So nobody needs to worry about his expulsion. His family needs to take care of him, though, from the sound of it.

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