Start of inoculations in Thailand delayed due to EU export restrictions

[Dellboy218]

2 hours ago, oldhippy said:

That is of course true, but can be expected in this more and more nationalistic climate.

 

But I have my doubts about what Anutin says.

So far, the EU has not yet restricted exports of vaccine. That restriction is a treath against the UK: The UK factory of Astrazenica refuses to send vaccine to the EU, so now the EU threatens to block the deliveries of Pfizer Belgium to the UK. Other countries are not involved.

You forgot the French vaccine that failed at the first hurdle and has bern scrapped.  The two Eu Astra Zeneca plant that have manufacturing problems.  That is why the EU is short.

[rupert the bear]

the EU ordered its AZ vaccine 3 mnths late and AZ points that out to them and it sectioned.!!italy and germany both wished t order the same time as brits but were stopped by brussels.now it appears thailand suffers as a result of this appalling behaviour,150k doses isnt gonna change much though.blasting mahachai would be a good place to start though

[Mr Meeseeks]

1 hour ago, Thaiophil said:

It still baffles me why Thailand doesn’t seem interested in negotiating for other viable vaccines; Pfizer, Moderna, Novavax. Indonesia and the Philippines are trying to get as many as possible

????

[JonnyF]

The EU showing it's true colours, yet again. 

 

First their cumbersome bureaucracy meant they ordered the vaccine several months after the UK. So now they are trying to bully their way out of the situation that they themselves created by stealing the vaccines that the UK ordered.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-covid-vaccine-uk-supply-b1794306.html

 

They are even raiding the AstraZeneca factory now.

 

https://www.rt.com/news/513932-eu-raid-astrazeneca-vaccine-plant/

 

What a disgrace the EU has become. We got out just in time. A corrupt, inept, bullying organization.

 

No sympathy for Anutin though. I can't imagine he'd be bending over backwards to help the "dirty farangs" if the shoe was on the other foot.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Prediction. This will be the next delay headlines. Problems at our AztraZeneca production facility at Bio Science Thailand mean there will be some delays to delivery. 

 

Problem then is that nobody can go one to question Bio Science as it belongs to you know who.

 

As far as I'm aware they've not even started production yet, about a week ago the head of Thailand Vaccine Institute said they are still perfecting the doses having received all the required ingredients and technology transfer from the UK. The doses have to be made in batches and each batch has to reach the same quality standards, they are in the process of making test batches for this.

[ikke1959]

EU contract did not leave time to fix vaccine hiccups: AstraZeneca CEO | Reuters

 

[jackdd]

But Thailand will produce its own AstraZeneca jabs, and will be the leading producer in all of south east asia, so what's the problem?

Edited January 29, 2021 by jackdd

[champers]

1 hour ago, spiekerjozef said:

Seems like they all have to wait till May.

Pharmaceutical companies lied about distribution, as always they were more interested in filling their own pockets first instead of actually helping people.

 

 

Not so. The Astra Zeneca vaccine is being sold at cost.

[Mr Meeseeks]

10 minutes ago, jackdd said:

But Thailand will produce its own AstraZeneca jabs, and will be the leading producer in all of south east asia, so what's the problem?

I think that all went out the window last Friday. ????

[Mr Meeseeks]

7 minutes ago, champers said:

Not so. The Astra Zeneca vaccine is being sold at cost.

We have been told the cost was 2,000thb in Thailand though? 

[spiekerjozef]

7 minutes ago, champers said:

Not so. The Astra Zeneca vaccine is being sold at cost.

Since when is "not delivering" certified as a sale ?

[pentagara]

8 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

We have been told the cost was 2,000thb in Thailand though? 

Based on the contract between Oxford University (the developer of the vaccine) and AstraZeneca, the vaccine has to be sold by AstraZeneca at cost. Few people will get their jab from AstraZeneca directly.

[Moonlover]

2 hours ago, realfunster said:

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

“India and Thailand have close and friendly relations and many countries across the world, including many in Southeast Asia, have opted to purchase our vaccines. Thailand is also welcome to do so and that the Indian Embassy would be happy to facilitate it,” Ambassador Suchitra Durai told Thai Enquirer."

 

2 hours ago, realfunster said:

 

I can’t see why any right minding government would reject such an offer, although I note reference to China’s regional influence is mentioned. ????

India is also producing the higher quality AZ vaccine under license.

 

A very measured and diplomatic statement by the Indian ambassador in the circumstances.

Has it not occurred to you guys that Thailand, having agreed to the purchase of AZ vaccine and also to the local production of it, there is probably clause in the contract that prevents them from accepting India's offer?

 

Although AstraZeneca's contract is initially 'not for profit', they will be playing the long game. They're a commercial enterprise and profit is the prime motivating factor.

[hotchilli]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Delivery by air of the first shipment of 50,000 doses of AstraZeneca vaccine from Italy has hit a snag, due to the European Union’s recently imposed restriction on the export of the vaccine

Now people can understand why the UK told the EU to stick its bureaucracy where the sun don't shine.

[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

 

Has it not occurred to you guys that Thailand, having agreed to the purchase of AZ vaccine and also to the local production of it, there is probably clause in the contract that prevents them from accepting India's offer?

 

Although AstraZeneca's contract is initially 'not for profit', they will be playing the long game. They're a commercial enterprise and profit is the prime motivating factor.

Rubbish, no contract clause in the world would stipulate that you cannot purchase vaccines from other available sources. Do you really think AstraZeneca would even think about having that as a contract inclusion for Thailand only?? Other countries have bought AZ and may other vaccine's as well. Not pinning their hopes on just one.

 

The fact that Thailand has already stated they are purchasing the Chinese vaccine and are still in negotiations with other vaccine makers also tells you just how stupid your comment is.

 

The AstraZeneca is not for profit during the entire pandemic. That has been publicly stated and part of their contract with Oxford.

Edited January 29, 2021 by Bkk Brian

[Moonlover]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The AstraZeneca is not for profit during the entire pandemic. That has been publicly stated and part of their contract with Oxford.

Perhaps you should read this before shouting 'rubbish'.

 

AstraZeneca, which has promised not to profit from its Covid-19 vaccine “during the pandemic”, has the right to declare an end to the pandemic as soon as July 2021, according to an agreement with a manufacturer.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/c474f9e1-8807-4e57-9c79-6f4af145b686

[KannikaP]

5 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

 

So much for the bureaucratic EU ! Hopefully all these companies will now move to the UK where they can do normal business without EU officialdom telling them who, where and when they can ship their goods ! 

 

 

But has UK got enough vaccines to use on their own people first?

[DLock]

3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Not really such a big deal, after all, 50,000 doses for 25,000 people!!! It was never a great start to Thailand's vaccination plan anyway. They went cap in hand for this measly number of vaccines after realizing they've dropped the ball. They should should have accepted the offer of 2 million doses of the same vaccine from India, it would have been here by now!!

 

I agree. The 50,000 doses was a PR stunt aimed at diverting attention away from the fact that Thailand was too slow to reserver vaccines.

 

It was a useless rounding error, but now even that rounding error is in doubt.

 

My only hope now is that the Chinese vaccine gets here first and those Government officials that want to show solidarity are forced publicly to take that vaccine.

 

Fail.

[faraday]

5 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

Perhaps you should read this before shouting 'rubbish'.

 

AstraZeneca, which has promised not to profit from its Covid-19 vaccine “during the pandemic”, has the right to declare an end to the pandemic as soon as July 2021, according to an agreement with a manufacturer.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/c474f9e1-8807-4e57-9c79-6f4af145b686

 

 

The ft link is behind a paywall, so I've posted this:

 

https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/astrazeneca-puts-a-time-limit-its-covid-19-no-profit-pledge-report

 

How AZ decides on when the pandemic is over, seems vague to say the least.

 

However, as we all know, big pharma just aren't the benevolent companies that many believe they are.

[FritsSikkink]

5 hours ago, dcnx said:

And no one in Thailand thought about this beforehand?  Of course not.

"recently imposed restriction on the export of the vaccine," 

[kingdong]

3 hours ago, PatOngo said:

Seems he blew his bolt prematurely again! ????

Hope he dosen,t rely on the withdrawal method when hes having a bit of naughty.

[pagallim]

4 hours ago, oldhippy said:

That is of course true, but can be expected in this more and more nationalistic climate.

 

But I have my doubts about what Anutin says.

So far, the EU has not yet restricted exports of vaccine. That restriction is a treath against the UK: The UK factory of Astrazenica refuses to send vaccine to the EU, so now the EU threatens to block the deliveries of Pfizer Belgium to the UK. Other countries are not involved.

 

Incorrect.   The EU are introducing export controls on any vaccines manufactured within their bloc.   This then could affect any non EU nation, including the UK.   The principle problem that the EU has had is requiring agreement amongst it's 27 members to enact any procurement action has meant delays.   That and poor distribution of several countries to the public, France in particular.

[mommysboy]

5 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

 

So much for the bureaucratic EU ! Hopefully all these companies will now move to the UK where they can do normal business without EU officialdom telling them who, where and when they can ship their goods ! 

 

 

 

UK has been at the forefront.  EU has been slow to say the least, and is now blaming anyone and everyone.  50,000 doses- how small-minded can you get!

[mommysboy]

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Wow.

Thailand is really getting the short end of the stick on this one.

The vaccine nationalism going on is truly tragic as without timely global vaccinations, the world won't be on a path of recovery. 

 

AZ has given them the blueprint to make a good vaccine. Within 6 months they'll be making more than enough for Thailand and also for surrounding countries.

 

Thumbs down to EU.

[Bkk Brian]

47 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

Perhaps you should read this before shouting 'rubbish'.

 

AstraZeneca, which has promised not to profit from its Covid-19 vaccine “during the pandemic”, has the right to declare an end to the pandemic as soon as July 2021, according to an agreement with a manufacturer.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/c474f9e1-8807-4e57-9c79-6f4af145b686

Perhaps you should have quoted me in its entirety as the rubbish remark was to another ridiculous statement you alleged and have not backed up.

 

Regards the AZ vaccine and the at cost till the end of the pandemic. This is the only company in the world that is supplying the vaccines at cost till the pandemic is over and you still have a beef with that, I wonder why?

 

Of course they intend to make money, its a company, it has to make money, if they decide the pandemic is over then it will be in consultation with Oxford University and WHO. Just because they have a right to call the pandemic over by July 2021 you are assuming they will. Speculation and a firm bias against AZ is evident from you.

[Moonlover]

1 hour ago, faraday said:

AstraZeneca, which has promised not to profit from its Covid-19 vaccine “during the pandemic”, has the right to declare an end to the pandemic as soon as July 2021, according to an agreement with a manufacturer.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/c474f9e1-8807-4e57-9c79-6f4af145b686

 

1 hour ago, faraday said:

 

 

The ft link is behind a paywall, so I've posted this:

 

https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/astrazeneca-puts-a-time-limit-its-covid-19-no-profit-pledge-report

 

How AZ decides on when the pandemic is over, seems vague to say the least.

 

However, as we all know, big pharma just aren't the benevolent companies that many believe they are.

Reading between the lines, it's interesting to note that AZ could declare the pandemic over by July 2021. That's about the time that they expect Siam Bioscience to start production, making Thailand the regional hub for their vaccine.

 

The last thing that they, especially Siam Bioscience, will want is someone else, India for instance, sneaking onto their trading patch. That's why I think the Indian offer was rejected.

[champers]

1 hour ago, faraday said:

 

 

The ft link is behind a paywall, so I've posted this:

 

https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/astrazeneca-puts-a-time-limit-its-covid-19-no-profit-pledge-report

 

How AZ decides on when the pandemic is over, seems vague to say the least.

 

However, as we all know, big pharma just aren't the benevolent companies that many believe they are.

Shock, horror!! Commercial enterprise wants to trade profitably.

So countries have 5 more months to place orders. Seems to be plenty of time to me.

[ukrules]

5 hours ago, kingdong said:

 

Who do the eu think they are?perhaps if they,d ordered their vaccine earlier this wouldn,t have occured,sheer inefficiency,now they,re trying to bully their way out of it.

They believe (incorrectly) that they're in control of the world which is ironic as they're not even in control of the EU.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, mommysboy said:

 

AZ has given them the blueprint to make a good vaccine. Within 6 months they'll be making more than enough for Thailand and also for surrounding countries.

 

Thumbs down to EU.

Well that's still very slow.

This won't be the last global pandemic.

There needs to be much better international cooperation to make vaccine access more equitable.

[ukrules]

4 hours ago, Thaiophil said:

It still baffles me why Thailand doesn’t seem interested in negotiating for other viable vaccines; Pfizer, Moderna, Novavax. Indonesia and the Philippines are trying to get as many as possible

I have a very good idea what it's about - price per dose.

 

The AZ vaccine is cheap and easy to transport and deploy, the others are much more expensive and harder to move and use.