House Democrats ask Trump to testify at his impeachment trial

[Eric Loh]

21 minutes ago, ExpatOK said:

Trump should not testify, but instead have his lawyers present this as part of his defense:

 

 

To the President, something felt amiss. “It was all very, very strange,” Trump said on Dec. 2. “Within days after the election, we witnessed an orchestrated effort to anoint the winner, even while many key states were still being counted.”

In a way, Trump was right.

There was a conspiracy unfolding behind the scenes, one that both curtailed the protests and coordinated the resistance from CEOs.

 

https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

Emphatic conclusion of the article that Trump’s corrupt attack on democracy failed and people’s power and democracy prevailed. Thanks for the link. 

[Pattaya Spotter]

The Constitution Article I...gives the Senate the “Power to try all Impeachments,” says the remedy for conviction “shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold” federal office...Article II, says, “The President...shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.” To some, that language means that the Senate may not try a former official, who, by definition, cannot be removed from office. The constitutional scholars Bruce Ackerman and Gerard Magliocca wrote last month in the Washington Post that “the Constitution envisions impeachment only as a tool for proceeding against a president while he remains in office,” because impeachment’s purpose is removal, not punishment. https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-risks-of-trumps-impeachment-trial

 

Edited February 6, 2021 by Pattaya Spotter

[Surelynot]

I have long wondered why people support Trump and have come to the conclusion they fall into one of two categories....

 

1. They are highly intelligent, but staggeringly selfish, hitching themselves to the Trump banned-wagon in the hope of gaining  power, prospering financially...whatever.

 

2. They are stupid.

[J Town]

Anyone with two brain cells left to rub together knows NO self-proclaimed king with the nuclear codes should be allowed to run around unchecked the last few months, or weeks, or days, or even minutes of his presidency.

Edited February 8, 2021 by onthedarkside
quote of hidden post removed

[Surelynot]

Just now, J Town said:

Anyone with two brain cells left to rub together

...and there's the rub.

[RJRS1301]

On 2/5/2021 at 1:25 PM, Kelsall said:

Unconstitutional, but no surprise as the whole thing has been declared unconstitutional by 45 Senators, thus a conviction is impossible.  Also, Trump's lawyers have said he will not testify.

 

45 Senators from how many? Certainly not a majority of elected representatives.

He would not be able to recall what he said, and if he opened his mouth he would possibly be hanged be his own tongue, arrogance and conciet. 

There are over 30,000 documented lies on record so far, so few more will make no difference to his unenviable record.

[Surelynot]

On 2/4/2021 at 10:32 PM, ukrules said:

I wouldn't be surprised if Trump just ignores the whole thing and makes a point of taking a vacation at the time.

Somewhere with no extradition treaty I guess.

[earlinclaifornia]

16 hours ago, ExpatOK said:

President Trump will not be convicted or otherwise prevented from running for office.

Now I am supporting your hope trump wins the parties nomination. I will help out by recommending that ticket. trump/lindell 0r trump/green. 100% certain he will lose to Biden

 

[Surelynot]

5 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Now I am supporting your hope trump wins the parties nomination. I will help out by recommending that ticket. trump/lindell 0r trump/green. 100% certain he will lose to Biden

 

Trump/Cruz?

[earlinclaifornia]

15 hours ago, Sujo said:

Perfect opportunity to put his money where his mouth is and give evidence of the voter fraud. Refusing to do so is proof he has nothing.

I second that and to show proof he has nothing read this! Can't make this stuff up!

Trump funnelled money from donors into private business after election loss, report finds.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-donors-campaign-finance-election-b1798479.html

Trump funnelled money from donors into private business after election loss, report finds

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, earlinclaifornia said:

I second that and to show proof he has nothing read this! Can't make this stuff up!

Trump funnelled money from donors into private business after election loss, report finds.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-donors-campaign-finance-election-b1798479.html

Trump funnelled money from donors into private business after election loss, report finds

How can he continue to 1. Get away with this kind of stuff....2. Still receive unbridled support from millions???????

[earlinclaifornia]

13 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Now I am supporting your hope trump wins the parties nomination. I will help out by recommending that ticket. trump/lindell 0r trump/green. 100% certain he will lose to Biden

 

Can you advise me how I can support trump runs again, short of contributing. Directed to you the confused poster

[earlinclaifornia]

Just now, Surelynot said:

How can he continue to 1. Get away with this kind of stuff....2. Still receive unbridled support from millions???????

Quoting trump "Trump: I could shoot somebody and not lose voters" 

[RJRS1301]

7 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

How can he continue to 1. Get away with this kind of stuff....2. Still receive unbridled support from millions???????

The manner in which Jared K drew up the documents governing the donated funds for trump allows him to use the money for any purpose his evil heart desires, and of course being a narcissist the most important thing is HIM HIM HIM.

He was always a scam artist so no surprises there.

 

[stevenl]

3 hours ago, ExpatOK said:

Trump should not testify, but instead have his lawyers present this as part of his defense:

 

 

To the President, something felt amiss. “It was all very, very strange,” Trump said on Dec. 2. “Within days after the election, we witnessed an orchestrated effort to anoint the winner, even while many key states were still being counted.”

In a way, Trump was right.

There was a conspiracy unfolding behind the scenes, one that both curtailed the protests and coordinated the resistance from CEOs.

 

https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

And the next line of your link says 

"The handshake between business and labor was just one component of a vast, cross-partisan campaign to protect the election–an extraordinary shadow effort dedicated not to winning the vote but to ensuring it would be free and fair, credible and uncorrupted. ".

 

 

[xylophone]

 

 

It takes a "special sort" of individual to support someone like trump and another poster suggested that there were 2 reasons why people supported him; one being that they were selfish and narcissistic and wanted to enrich themselves by association, and the other being that they are stupid. 

 

Up to you as the saying goes.

[J Town]

2 hours ago, earlinclaifornia said:

18 hours ago, ExpatOK said:

President Trump will not be convicted or otherwise prevented from running for office.

Now I am supporting your hope trump wins the parties nomination. I will help out by recommending that ticket. trump/lindell 0r trump/green. 100% certain he will lose to Biden

I also hope he starts another party and fully expect him to do so. THAT will be the end of the GOP and good riddance to bad rubbish.

[J Town]

2 hours ago, Surelynot said:

How can he continue to 1. Get away with this kind of stuff....2. Still receive unbridled support from millions???????

They don't have the required two brain cells to rub together, create a spark, and engage critical thinking. Fox/Newsmax/OAN tell them what to think.

[ExpatOK]

On 2/6/2021 at 10:25 AM, ExpatOK said:

Trump should not testify, but instead have his lawyers present this as part of his defense:

 

 

To the President, something felt amiss. “It was all very, very strange,” Trump said on Dec. 2. “Within days after the election, we witnessed an orchestrated effort to anoint the winner, even while many key states were still being counted.”

In a way, Trump was right.

There was a conspiracy unfolding behind the scenes, one that both curtailed the protests and coordinated the resistance from CEOs.

 

https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

From the Time magazine article:

 

"Their work touched every aspect of the election. They got states to change voting systems and laws and helped secure hundreds of millions in public and private funding. They fended off voter-suppression lawsuits, recruited armies of poll workers and got millions of people to vote by mail for the first time. They successfully pressured social media companies to take a harder line against disinformation and used data-driven strategies to fight viral smears."

Edited February 8, 2021 by onthedarkside
quoted content shortened for fair use

[Sujo]

On 2/6/2021 at 3:26 PM, ExpatOK said:

From the Time magazine article:

 

"Their work touched every aspect of the election. They got states to change voting systems and laws and helped secure hundreds of millions in public and private funding. They fended off voter-suppression lawsuits, recruited armies of poll workers and got millions of people to vote by mail for the first time. They successfully pressured social media companies to take a harder line against disinformation and used data-driven strategies to fight viral smears.

 

You still going on about conspiracies that the courts have shot down.

 

its over, trump lost, get over it.

[earlinclaifornia]

38 minutes ago, J Town said:

I also hope he starts another party and fully expect him to do so. THAT will be the end of the GOP and good riddance to bad rubbish.

I read and could find if needed that the supporters by a 60% willing to leave the Republican Party for trump. Putting a number on record.

[heybruce]

On 2/6/2021 at 3:26 PM, ExpatOK said:

From the Time magazine article:

 

"Their work touched every aspect of the election. They got states to change voting systems and laws and helped secure hundreds of millions in public and private funding. They fended off voter-suppression lawsuits, recruited armies of poll workers and got millions of people to vote by mail for the first time. They successfully pressured social media companies to take a harder line against disinformation and used data-driven strategies to fight viral smears.

 

 

Yes, a lot of work went into insuring that legal voters could vote safely during the pandemic.  It worked, it was the largest voter turnout ever, and the cleanest election ever. 

 

Only people who are opposed to democracy would object to the above efforts and the results.

[Fat is a type of crazy]

On 2/6/2021 at 3:26 PM, ExpatOK said:

From the Time magazine article:

 

"Their work touched every aspect of the election. They got states to change voting systems and laws and helped secure hundreds of millions in public and private funding. They fended off voter-suppression lawsuits, recruited armies of poll workers and got millions of people to vote by mail for the first time. They successfully pressured social media companies to take a harder line against disinformation and used data-driven strategies to fight viral smears.

 

 

Part of the above is just about informing the public. Other parts are about dealing with the pandemic. The democrats worked hard legally to win and did. Is there a part there that says that legal votes were not counted or illegal votes were  counted.

 

You may be reading other  things into the first part you  highlighted but the main example, in Pennsylvania, involved laws changed with Republican approval.

 

I would see many make claims in the media about the election methods and about Dominion voting machines and other companies and wonder how those people could get away with it. It appears you can't - many are now being taken to task and sued for their mistruths and lies. Lou Dobbs just got sacked. Cool.

[J Town]

Just now, Fat is a type of crazy said:

<snip>

Lou Dobbs just got sacked. Cool.

VERY cool, and more may be getting the same.

[stevenl]

On 2/6/2021 at 3:26 PM, ExpatOK said:

From the Time magazine article:

 

"Their work touched every aspect of the election. They got states to change voting systems and laws and helped secure hundreds of millions in public and private funding. They fended off voter-suppression lawsuits, recruited armies of poll workers and got millions of people to vote by mail for the first time. They successfully pressured social media companies to take a harder line against disinformation and used data-driven strategies to fight viral smears.

 

 

Conclusion from the article is that they managed to make it a fair and honest election. So job well done.

[RJRS1301]

1 hour ago, J Town said:

I also hope he starts another party and fully expect him to do so. THAT will be the end of the GOP and good riddance to bad rubbish.

He has ADHD in many peoples opinion, who have observed him for decades,  thats too long term for him personally, he cannot concetrate for long enough to even get his terms of reference right, or read them, who would work for him with exception of family and scammers?

 

[J Town]

Just now, RJRS1301 said:

He has ADHD in many peoples opinion, who have observed him for decades,  thats too long term for him personally, he cannot concetrate for long enough to even get his terms of reference right, or read them, who would work for him with exception of family and scammers?

 

Tens of millions would fall on their SWORDS for this scam artist. I fully expect him to start the Patriot party, and as Martha Stewart says, "That's a GOOD thing!"

[RJRS1301]

4 minutes ago, J Town said:

Tens of millions would fall on their SWORDS for this scam artist. I fully expect him to start the Patriot party, and as Martha Stewart says, "That's a GOOD thing!"

aaaoh the unblemished Martha Stewart?

 

[placeholder]

On 2/6/2021 at 3:26 PM, ExpatOK said:

From the Time magazine article:

 

"Their work touched every aspect of the election. They got states to change voting systems and laws and helped secure hundreds of millions in public and private funding. They fended off voter-suppression lawsuits, recruited armies of poll workers and got millions of people to vote by mail for the first time. They successfully pressured social media companies to take a harder line against disinformation and used data-driven strategies to fight viral smears.

 

 

But all this was done in the open and most of it consisted of measures taken in response to the pandemic. Is this your idea of a conspiracy?

[impulse]

 

Read the article.  Comment on the contents.  Not on me.

 

But getting Never-Trumpers to read anything that conflicts with their narrative is a real challenge.  Gotta give that cabal credit for a job well done there.  That reference is explained in the article.  Read it.  Comment on it.