Medical weed farming (CBD)

[2530Ubon]

So the gov just announced that all households can grow up to 6 weed plants for sale to the gov/hospital. Apparently family members can form a social enterprise and team up for larger yields. They pay 45,000 Baht per kilo if it has a CBD content of 12% +, so the money is pretty good for growing a plant that will only take 3/4 months to grow.

Questions:

Mrs Ubon has a large family, but we are looking at just starting out with 6 plants. Do we need to register or anything with 6 plants, or is registration only required for social / community enterprises?

I've tried looking at the Thai FDA site, but there isn't a lot of information just yet. Where can I get more info?

Am I able to legally order high CBD seeds from Europe/America (these seeds typically have little THC bt high CDB properties)

Thank you kindly!

 

 

 

[khwaibah]

You have to buy from the government and sell back to the government. And no blueberry muffin. ???? My wife has 5 greenhouses and she is doing quite well with other projects. We have visited others that did get involve and she told me they can stick it where the moon does not shine.????

[2530Ubon]

7 minutes ago, khwaibah said:

You have to buy from the government and sell back to the government. And no blueberry muffin. ???? My wife has 5 greenhouses and she is doing quite well with other projects. We have visited others that did get involve and she told me they can stick it where the moon does not shine.????

Would you recommend doing it, or is it too much of a headache?

[khwaibah]

3 minutes ago, 2530Ubon said:

Would you recommend doing it, or is it too much of a headache?

If you play by the rules give it a try.????

[2530Ubon]

7 minutes ago, khwaibah said:

If you play by the rules give it a try.????

Definitely play by the rules... just thinking it could come in handy as i've grown before in the UK, and am quite capable of growing some monster trees with fimming and topping techniques. 6 plants every few months would net a decent 200K+with an avr 700g- 1kg yield per plant.  How do you buy from the gov?

[Disillusioned One]

15 hours ago, 2530Ubon said:

Definitely play by the rules... just thinking it could come in handy as i've grown before in the UK, and am quite capable of growing some monster trees with fimming and topping techniques. 6 plants every few months would net a decent 200K+with an avr 700g- 1kg yield per plant.  How do you buy from the gov?

I have been trying to find out as well. If I discover anything, I will let you know.

[2530Ubon]

bumping...

Found some interesting info, looks a little complicated to get started with an enterprise, but it definitely looks like a serious cash crop.

https://www.cannabiscatalysts.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/CC-Insights-Thailand-Medical-Cannabis-v.1.2.pdf

Mrs Ubon was telling me that they'll pay 1,500 baht per kilo of cannabis leaf, and there's also money for seeds and stalks too. Add that onto the 30-45k per kilo of flower, and you've got a pretty viable business - indoor all year round grow.

[khwaibah]

Front page Bangkok Post.

 Required permits from the Public Health Ministry of your province. They and they only.

[Uzul]

Hello All, A long time ago, as boats where using wind for travelling around the world, In France or in England, they where using cannabis ( Chanvre) for building big ropes.

Nowadays, we can find more applications for using Cannabis, for building houses for example...

Houses without cement, ecological houses ... In France for example they use cannabis for that.

That's a great use, but we need the long part of the plant. I hope Thais will do the same and develop the product of this kind of business...

It is needed Cannabis with no THC in fact, only cannabis used for ropes ...

 I hope in the future to find enough cannabis for building an ecological project ...

Thank you for reading, see you next, and have a nice day.

Uzul

 

 

[mtls2005]

Saw an extensive piece on a new Community Enterprise in Pathum Rat, Roi Et.

 

Looks like they'll be light dep, at least during veg, or if a local landrace (squirrel tail) then just normal daylight.

 

 

[mtls2005]

This photo gives a better feel for the size...

 

 

[2530Ubon]

2 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

Saw an extensive piece on a new Community Enterprise in Pathum Rat, Roi Et.

 

Looks like they'll be light dep, at least during veg, or if a local landrace (squirrel tail) then just normal daylight.

 

 

That looks very interesting. Where did you find the info?

[2530Ubon]

Just now, mtls2005 said:

This photo gives a better feel for the size...

 

 

Looks good, but how are they going to control the temperature? I can't see any cooling systems or air conditing.

[mtls2005]

4 minutes ago, 2530Ubon said:

Looks good, but how are they going to control the temperature? I can't see any cooling systems or air conditing.

 

Yes, seeing quite a few issues with this sort of implementation. More money spent on security, than the growing environment.

 

Didn't see any beefy power so no lights, which means they're growing squirrel tail, a local variety which can survive the heat.

 

 

 

 

 

[mtls2005]

Not sure now, maybe lights too, for veg?

 

 

[2530Ubon]

2 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

Yes, seeing quite a few issues with this sort of implementation. More money spent on security, than the growing environment.

 

Didn't see any beefy power so no lights, which means they're growing squirrel tail, a local variety which can survive the heat.

 

 

Damn... what a waste of money. No lighting, no air conditioning. Iv'e seen some people grow outdoors only and the plants look weak and small. They start flowering way too early because of the lack of sunlight hours. Looks like humidity & pests are going to be big problems too.

[2530Ubon]

1 minute ago, mtls2005 said:

Not sure now, maybe lights too, for veg?

 

 

I think that's lighting from the spotlights. You'd see a bit of a yellowy tinge if it was from LED / HPS... and if it IS HPS they're gonna be very hot and humid underneath that plastic no?

[mtls2005]

2 minutes ago, 2530Ubon said:

They start flowering way too early because of the lack of sunlight hours.

 

Local landrace is fine with 12/12.

 

Local landrace survives fine here in the wild.

 

Seen some amazing plants here outdoors, and even as a western, indoor, autoflower grower I let my biases go.

 

 

 

 

[2530Ubon]

4 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

Local landrace is fine with 12/12.

 

Local landrace survives fine here in the wild.

 

Seen some amazing plants here outdoors, and even as a western, indoor, autoflower grower I let my biases go.

 

 

 

 

I thought the main issue with local landraces is that they are very high in THC content, but low in CBD. I heard the top grade (45k per kilo) has to contain a minimum of 12% CBD

[khwaibah]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/03/31/new-mexico-recreational-marijuana-bill-gov-michelle-lujan-grisham/4832119001/?fbclid=IwAR0aqMZVm_HZdQ3tp2Yasn9_8XMYJgU5zDnW1OgksQbC7LQXui7KJEAc0_U

[Tug Captain]

A few months ago I was set to invest 1/2 Million USD here in Thailand in the Cannabis Industry.

I backed out as the ROI Return on Investment was not sufficient for me.

 

Right now, the very first thing you must do is get an MOU Memorandum of Understanding with a Govt Hospital or University and part of that agreement is you turn over all you grow.

there is no money in growing 6 plants or even 500 plants.

The money is in the downstream business of selling the extract oils, selling the extracts to the medical industry, skin care industry, soon THC and CBD will be available in many drinks..........these are the places where big money is to be made.

I thought it would be great to set up a 500 plant growing sit.

state of the art.

as automated as possible.

set this up as a busness for my wife and daughter.

in Sept 2020 I went to Bangkok and met with the 2 guys you see in every pic about legalizing Marijuana.  One is a govt guy, the other already has several greenhouses in Buriam, has the only extraction machine in Thailand, many MOU in place and many th8ngs happening internationally.

he is the guy who gave me the advice that growing and selling the plant is not where the money is.

it will be similar to farming today, the farmer isn’t getting rich, but the people processing what the farmer grows is.

The numbers published about what will be paid for green product ARE VERY GROSSLY EXAGGERATED  plus this will all be tested for any type of additive or insecticide, pesticide, fungicide.........if there is anything on the plant, you can’t sell it, these products are certified 100% safe from everything.

even growing in a greenhouse in Thailand is a constant struggle with pests n fungus.  Marijuana is very prone to fungus in high humidity.

Mae Jo University near Chiang Mai planted 1200 plants, they only harvested 100 due to a fast moving fungus and also insects and that was at a nicer site that has agriculture programs.

 

good luck if you try it.

get that MOU first

 

 

 

 

[connda]

8 hours ago, Tug Captain said:

soon THC and CBD will be available in many drinks..........these are the places where big money is to be made.

In other countries, but not in Thailand.  Anutin and friends dangled a carrot in front of the Thai public to get their collective buy-in for cannabis trade that primarily benefits pharmaceutical companies and other large, capitalized player who are connected.  This nonsense about allowing every family to grow 6 plants and grow it like any other Thai herb was a complete load of ox manure. 
Average, common Thais were never the beneficiaries of the relax cannabis legislation.  It was all about allowing special people to have special privileges to make large profits in a market where Thailand had no market share because of its Machiavellian drug laws - which are still on the books for the common folk by the way. 
"Yeah - commoners.  Grow some cannabis and use it at home.  Jail for you."

[mtls2005]

This Community Enterprise in Bueng Kan provicne appears to be straight-up local cultivar grown outdoors.

 

 

Based on this older story, maybe a decent place to grow? Or maybe this was imported from Laos?

 

 

[2530Ubon]

On 4/9/2021 at 9:23 AM, Tug Captain said:

The numbers published about what will be paid for green product ARE VERY GROSSLY EXAGGERATED  plus this will all be tested for any type of additive or insecticide, pesticide, fungicide.........if there is anything on the plant, you can’t sell it, these products are certified 100% safe from everything.

even growing in a greenhouse in Thailand is a constant struggle with pests n fungus.  Marijuana is very prone to fungus in high humidity.

Mae Jo University near Chiang Mai planted 1200 plants, they only harvested 100 due to a fast moving fungus and also insects and that was at a nicer site that has agriculture programs.

 

good luck if you try it.

get that MOU first

We'll be doing an indoor, hydroponic grow to eliminate bugs / pest / mold etc. There's money to be made, but it depends on your grow methods and lighting. Indoor DWC hydroponic systems are sterile, huge reduction in time taken to grow and a big increase in final yield. Using advanced LED quantum board lighting systems with correct plant training techniques increases your yield further.

 

Growing outdoors in this climate is a waste of time. Greenhouse systems are very prone to mold, pests, bud rot etc. The key questions are strain types, getting started and further information etc... I can't seem to find any info that isn't in a newspaper story. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[Macthehat]

On 4/15/2021 at 9:00 AM, 2530Ubon said:

We'll be doing an indoor, hydroponic grow to eliminate bugs / pest / mold etc. There's money to be made, but it depends on your grow methods and lighting. Indoor DWC hydroponic systems are sterile, huge reduction in time taken to grow and a big increase in final yield. Using advanced LED quantum board lighting systems with correct plant training techniques increases your yield further.

 

Growing outdoors in this climate is a waste of time. Greenhouse systems are very prone to mold, pests, bud rot etc. The key questions are strain types, getting started and further information etc... I can't seem to find any info that isn't in a newspaper story. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Strain info and advise can be got from any decent site selling seeds . Sensiseeds have a good site and they give advise on all seeds sold . They deliver worldwide and are well established . 

The key to stopping mould i have found is plenty of air circulation and not to pack too many plants ino one area . This is key with hydro and all growing medium.  

Sensiseeds have seeds which are genenically  designed to be very tolerant to humidity and not prone to mould . In theory these can be grown in high humidity areas without much human intervention.... autos etc. 

https://www.zamnesia.com/uk/blog-top-10-mould-resistant-cannabis-strains-n1777

Hope this helps a bit in starting up 

[2530Ubon]

12 minutes ago, Macthehat said:

Strain info and advise can be got from any decent site selling seeds . Sensiseeds have a good site and they give advise on all seeds sold . They deliver worldwide and are well established . 

The key to stopping mould i have found is plenty of air circulation and not to pack too many plants ino one area . This is key with hydro and all growing medium.  

Sensiseeds have seeds which are genenically  designed to be very tolerant to humidity and not prone to mould . In theory these can be grown in high humidity areas without much human intervention.... autos etc. 

https://www.zamnesia.com/uk/blog-top-10-mould-resistant-cannabis-strains-n1777

Hope this helps a bit in starting up 

 

I'm thinking more about if there are specific strains that the government want / imposed regulations. Perhaps there are regulations such as only Thai strains / crossed with a Thai strain / specific strains only etc. It's really hard to find information about this.

[flashysite]

Charlotte Angel strain that yields high CBD for indoor grow. More info on Thai FDA site. Open with chrome and translate.

[PadPrikKhing]

On 4/15/2021 at 1:00 AM, 2530Ubon said:

Growing outdoors in this climate is a waste of time.

What? Are you in your twenties? You almost sound as if you're totally unaware of the massive history in Thailand of growing Thai Stick in the 1960s and 1970s. They were extremely successful in growing huge plots (plantations, really) without any severe fungus or other problems. I can tell from your posts that you know about growing indoors in the UK or whatever, but most of that doesn't even apply here when they grow landraces that are acclimated to the region. Yes, growing them in greenhouses might lead to fungal diseases, but that would be expected in a humid climate where greenhouses aren't really needed. Grow them outdoors naturally, and it's a whole different story.

 

There are similarly-sized growing operations in Lao today, though the strains they grow are not as high-quality as the famed Thai Stick was, and they don't treat it with the same love and care the Thais did (obviously).