proof of address (Udon Thani) for non-O - Thai Spouse

[ETatBKK]

a month ago friend of mine arrived at a small town out of Udon Thani, and now he lives together with the in-law (to-be) family. for the purpose of applying the a new non-O Thai Spouse (TM86), how he could proof his address ?

 

thanks in advance !

[foreverlomsak]

The normal route for proving address of an alien to Immigration is the submission by the house owner of a TM30 stating that a foreigner is staying at that address, this should be done within 24 hours of arrival.

I'm not aware of what a TM86 is, maybe you could a provide a copy of it, or a link to it.

[DrJack54]

Just do a TM30 as advised above. Don't be overly concerned with the 24 hour thing. Just make sure it's done prior to dealing with local imm office.

Edited April 19, 2021 by DrJack54

[ETatBKK]

thanks guys . . .

I already informed him and his in-law family the TM30 (the reporting of a foreigner's residence) by the HOUSE OWNER. his concern - IF he could take the TM30 as HIS proof of address, while the TM30 is a paper of the HOUSE OWNER ? I am not sure neither.

 

TM86 - change of VISA type. he came in with the Non-Immigrant VISA O (stay 90 days), issued by a Thai Embassy overseas. he is now preparing the marriage registration and the THB400k deposit. he was told to use the TM86 to change the VISA type to the Non-Immigrant VISA O - Thai Spouse, once all requirements are fulfilled.

[Tanoshi]

File a TM 30 with signed copies of the home owners Tabien Baan and ID card as proof of the address.

 

For the change of Visa (TM86).

Completed TM6

Passport.

Copy of photo/detail page.

Copy of TV.

Copy of entry stamp.

Copy of TM6

Signed copies of home owners Tabien Baan and ID card

Proof of marriage - Kor Ror 3, Kor Ror 2.

Proof of finances - 400K deposited in your sole name in a Thai bank, OR an Embassy income letter providing evidence of a monthly income of no less than 40K per month.

 

The procedure is here:  Non O marriage.pdf

[Tanoshi]

9 minutes ago, ETatBKK said:

TM86 - change of VISA type. he came in with the Non-Immigrant VISA O (stay 90 days), issued by a Thai Embassy overseas. he is now preparing the marriage registration and the THB400k deposit. he was told to use the TM86 to change the VISA type to the Non-Immigrant VISA O - Thai Spouse, once all requirements are fulfilled.

If he entered on a Non O Visa that is the correct type for applying for a 1 year extension.

TM86 is only required if he entered on a Tourist Visa and needs to change the Visa status to a Non O as a prelude to applying for a 1 year extension. (Check and confirm)

The 400K must be deposited in a Thai bank for 2 months prior to the date of the extension application.

 

Once married, he can apply for a 60 day extension if he requires more time to season the 400K for the required 2 months.

His current priority is to file a TM30 asap.

Deposit the 400K in a Thai bank.

Obtain an affidavit of freedom to marry, then register the marriage.

 

[Tanoshi]

1 hour ago, foreverlomsak said:

I'm not aware of what a TM86 is, maybe you could a provide a copy of it, or a link to it.

TM86 is required to change the Visa status to a Non O, when you entered on a TV.

Fillable TM 86 Change of Visa Status.pdf

 

If you enter VE, then you complete a TM87 to apply for a Non O.

TM87.pdf

 

 

[Tanoshi]

22 minutes ago, ETatBKK said:

I already informed him and his in-law family the TM30 (the reporting of a foreigner's residence) by the HOUSE OWNER. his concern - IF he could take the TM30 as HIS proof of address, while the TM30 is a paper of the HOUSE OWNER ? I am not sure neither.

TM30-New.pdf

 

Completed TM30.

Signed copies of the home owners Tabien Baan and ID card as proof of the address as stated on the TM30.

Copy of your Passport photo page.

[ETatBKK]

17 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

If he entered on a Non O Visa that is the correct type for applying for a 1 year extension.

TM86 is only required if he entered on a Tourist Visa and needs to change the Visa status to a Non O as a prelude to applying for a 1 year extension. (Check and confirm)

The 400K must be deposited in a Thai bank for 2 months prior to the date of the extension application.

 

Once married, he can apply for a 60 day extension if he requires more time to season the 400K for the required 2 months.

His current priority is to file a TM30 asap.

Deposit the 400K in a Thai bank.

Obtain an affidavit of freedom to marry, then register the marriage.

 

thanks Tanoshi, I have the exact document you attached. that is a very complete document from Immigration Bangkok.

 

TM30 already be filed, but not the new one. the suggestion of the Tabian Baan owner signing on the TM30, with his Thai ID should be doable. the affirmation of freedom to marry, Kor Ror 2, Kor Ror 3 and the 400k deposit all in progress. now he is counting days on that 400k for 2 months !

 

just wonder if this is correct :

Non-Immigrant VISA O (not sure if it is a tourist VISA - TR) from overseas > marriage registration + 400K deposit > file TM86 and apply Non-Immigrant VISA O - Thai Spouse ?

mine was decades ago, I believe the process may be different.

Edited April 19, 2021 by ETatBKK

[Tanoshi]

24 minutes ago, ETatBKK said:

just wonder if this is correct :

Non-Immigrant VISA O (not sure if it is a tourist VISA - TR) from overseas > marriage registration + 400K deposit > file TM86 and apply Non-Immigrant VISA O - Thai Spouse ?

mine was decades ago, I believe the process may be different.

You really need to confirm which Visa he entered Thailand on.

A TV will have granted a stay of 60 days.

A Non Imm O will have granted a stay of 90 days.

 

To apply for a 1 year extension you need a 'Non Immigrant' type Visa.

Entering TV he will need to complete the TM86 to obtain the Non O, but if he entered Non O, he can apply directly for the 1 year extension, subject to meeting the requirements.

Edited April 19, 2021 by Tanoshi

[foreverlomsak]

8 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

TM86 is required to change the Visa status to a Non O, when you entered on a TV.

Fillable TM 86 Change of Visa Status.pdf 62 kB · 0 downloads

 

If you enter VE, then you complete a TM87 to apply for a Non O.

TM87.pdf 76.15 kB · 0 downloads

 

 

Thanks

Too far back in memory, like over 15 years.

 

[ETatBKK]

8 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

You really need to confirm which Visa he entered Thailand on.

A TV will have granted a stay of 60 days.

A Non Imm O will have granted a stay of 90 days.

 

To apply for a 1 year extension you need a 'Non Immigrant' type Visa.

Entering TV he will need to complete the TM86 to obtain the Non O, but if he entered Non O, he can apply directly for the 1 year extension, subject to meeting the requirements.

the proof of address RECAP :

- take a copy of the TM30 notification of foreigner residence,

- signed by the Tabian Baan owner,

- with copy of his Thai ID and signed,

- he also has the phone bill with his name.

 

sorry for off topic discussion : apply for Non-Immigrant VISA O - Thai Spouse, my friend has a Non-Immigrant VISA O (not tourist, not retirement, not marriage), it allows him to stay for 90 days. it was issued by the Thai Embassy overseas, he told the embassy entering Thailand for marriage and for applying Non-Immigrant VISA O - Thai Spouse. he was told by the embassy taking the TM86 and change the VISA O into VISA O - Thai Spouse. the last part I was in doubt too.

[ubonjoe]

8 minutes ago, ETatBKK said:

sorry for off topic discussion : apply for Non-Immigrant VISA O - Thai Spouse, my friend has a Non-Immigrant VISA O (not tourist, not retirement, not marriage), it allows him to stay for 90 days. it was issued by the Thai Embassy overseas, he told the embassy entering Thailand for marriage and for applying Non-Immigrant VISA O - Thai Spouse. he was told by the embassy taking the TM86 and change the VISA O into VISA O - Thai Spouse. the last part I was in doubt too.

Best not to pay much attention to what a Thai embassy or consulate when it concerns immigration matters. They don't have a clue in most cases.

He will need to apply for a one year extension of stay based upon marriage during the last 30 days of the 90 day entry from the non-o visa he has. He will need 400k baht in the bank for 2 months on the day he applies. He will use a TM7 form for the application.

[ETatBKK]

32 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Best not to pay much attention to what a Thai embassy or consulate when it concerns immigration matters. They don't have a clue in most cases.

thanks ubonjoe, share the same idea with you !

 

we are quite familiar with the TM7 ????  now all things in progress :

- TM30 done

- setup bank account with THB400,000, done

- affirmation of freedom to marry, next with own embassy in Bangkok

- translation and legalisation, next at MFA in Bangkok

- marriage registration, next at amphur in Udon Thani

- TM7 30 days extension of stay, last 30 days, Immigration Udon Thani

- TM7 Non-Immigrant VISA O - Thai Spouse, once THB400,000 x2 months, Immigration Udon Thani

- TM8 re-entry permit, once VISA is issued, Immigration Udon Thani

- leave Thailand to neighbouring country, and return (and quarantine again)

- Non-Immigrant VISA O - Thai Spouse activated at the Immigration point, permit-to-stay 1 year

 

BINGO !

 

[ubonjoe]

10 minutes ago, ETatBKK said:

TM7 30 days extension of stay, last 30 days, Immigration Udon Thani

There is not 30 day extension he can apply for. He can apply for a 60 day extension to visit his wife after he gets married.

 

11 minutes ago, ETatBKK said:

TM7 Non-Immigrant VISA O - Thai Spouse, once THB400,000 x2 months, Immigration Udon Thani

He will be applying for a one year extension of stay based upon marriage that is not a visa of any kind. He already has a non-o visa entry.

 

12 minutes ago, ETatBKK said:

leave Thailand to neighbouring country, and return (and quarantine again)

- Non-Immigrant VISA O - Thai Spouse activated at the Immigration point, permit-to-stay 1 year

No trip out of the country is needed to activate a extension of stay. It starts from the end of his 90 day permit to stay or the 60 day extension of it when they do the one year extension stamp at immigration.

[ETatBKK]

8 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

There is not 30 day extension he can apply for. He can apply for a 60 day extension to visit his wife after he gets married.

 

He will be applying for a one year extension of stay based upon marriage that is not a visa of any kind. He already has a non-o visa entry.

 

No trip out of the country is needed to activate a extension of stay. It starts from the end of his 90 day permit to stay or the 60 day extension of it when they do the one year extension stamp at immigration.

thanks ubonjoe, very clear and precise !

 

- arrived Thailand with an initial 90-days VISA O

- last 30 days, [TM7] apply for 60 days extension - visit wife.

- while these 90 days + 60 days still valid, [TM7] apply for one year extension - Thai Spouse

- the one year extension for Thai Spouse is built on the initial VISA O = Non-Immigrant VISA O - Thai Spouse !

 

quite straightforward though ! many thanks . . .

[ubonjoe]

12 minutes ago, ETatBKK said:

the one year extension for Thai Spouse is built on the initial VISA O = Non-Immigrant VISA O - Thai Spouse !

After a person has the 90 day non-o visa entry it is no longer relevant. A non immigrant visa entry is required to apply for the one year extension and it is not tied to the non-o visa in anyway since visas and extension are 2 different things.

[Tanoshi]

On 4/20/2021 at 8:38 AM, ETatBKK said:

my friend has a Non-Immigrant VISA O (not tourist, not retirement, not marriage), it allows him to stay for 90 days. it was issued by the Thai Embassy overseas, he told the embassy entering Thailand for marriage and for applying Non-Immigrant VISA O - Thai Spouse. he was told by the embassy taking the TM86 and change the VISA O into VISA O - Thai Spouse. the last part I was in doubt too.

If you friend does indeed have a Non Immigrant O Visa, he must have applied for it based on retirement, as he isn't yet married.

At the top of his Visa issued by the Thai Embassy it will state 'TYPE OF VISA' and underneath state Non -Imm, then under 'CATEGORY' state O.

If this is what he has he can apply directly for a 1 year extension of stay at his Immigration office.

 

I'm concerned by what the Embassy told him about completing a TM86 !!!

There is a temporary Visa available that also allows a 90 day entry, known as the STV (Special Tourist Visa). This cannot be changed to a Non O type Visa.

 

If you enter on a Non O Visa you are granted a stay of 90 days.

When you apply for an extension of any kind, you are applying to extend that permission of stay.

The Non O Visa is 'USED' as soon as you enter.

[Tanoshi]

On 4/20/2021 at 9:31 AM, ETatBKK said:

we are quite familiar with the TM7 ????  now all things in progress :

- TM30 done

- setup bank account with THB400,000, done

- affirmation of freedom to marry, next with own embassy in Bangkok

- translation and legalisation, next at MFA in Bangkok

- marriage registration, next at amphur in Udon Thani

Staple the TM30 in the back page of his Passport for safekeeping.

 

When he makes the appointment at his Embassy for his affirmation of freedom to marry, he should also have them take a copy of his Passport and certify it. Most Amphurs want a certified copy of Passport and translation, legalised by the MFA.

The Consular Affairs section of the MFA is located at, Department of Consular Affairs. 123 Chaengwattana Rd., Tungsonghong Laksi Bangkok 10212.

There is a translation office on the 2nd floor. He should have both his Passport copy and affidavit legalised and both translated to Thai. You can have these sent to you by return EMS post rather than wait in Bangkok for 100 baht.

 

On 4/20/2021 at 9:31 AM, ETatBKK said:

- TM7 30 days extension of stay, last 30 days, Immigration Udon Thani

- TM7 Non-Immigrant VISA O - Thai Spouse, once THB400,000 x2 months, Immigration Udon Thani

- TM8 re-entry permit, once VISA is issued, Immigration Udon Thani

There is no 30 day extension to a Non O Visa.

If his 400K has been in the bank for 2 months before his current 90 day permission of stay expires, he can submit a TM7 and apply directly for a 1 year extension of that permission of stay.

If his 400K hasn't been in the bank for the required 2 months and his 90 day permission of stay is due to shortly expire, once married he can apply for a 60 day extension based on 'visiting Thai wife', then apply for the 1 year extension once his 400K has been in the account for the required 2 months.

The account must be in his sole name.

 

When extension applications are based on marriage, they have to be approved at regional level.

If his application is accepted he will be given a 30 day under consideration stamp and advised when to return. Both he and his wife must attend for the application.

After 30 days you return to collect your extension stamp in your Passport (after approval) and this is when I would submit a TM8 and request a re-entry permit.

 

On 4/20/2021 at 9:31 AM, ETatBKK said:

- leave Thailand to neighbouring country, and return (and quarantine again)

- Non-Immigrant VISA O - Thai Spouse activated at the Immigration point, permit-to-stay 1 year

It's not recommended leaving at the current time unless a trip is absolutely essential.

However, on re-entry using a re-entry permit the IO will grant permission of stay for any remaining time left on your current extension.

Example if your extension was issued 15/5/21 valid until 14/5/22, but you left Thailand 20/12/21, returning on 10/1/22, you will be granted stay again until 14/5/22.

Edited April 21, 2021 by Tanoshi

[ETatBKK]

his VISA O is not the retirement, is not the STV. months ago his girlfriend made a 5-pages photo album and asked amphur for endorsing the informal relationship. he told this album to the Thai embassy and told them this is a trip for marriage. Thai embassy issued a VISA O to him, for 90 days.

 

3 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

When he makes the appointment at his Embassy for his affirmation of freedom to marry, he should also have them take a copy of his Passport and certify it. Most Amphurs want a certified copy of Passport and translation, legalised by the MFA.

The Consular Affairs section of the MFA is located at, Department of Consular Affairs. 123 Chaengwattana Rd., Tungsonghong Laksi Bangkok 10212.

There is a translation office on the 2nd floor. He should have both his Passport copy and affidavit legalised and both translated to Thai. You can have these sent to you by return EMS post rather than wait in Bangkok for 100 baht.

they will be busy with the above process next weeks. thanks for the details ! ONE QUESTION - would the amphur need the translated / legalised certificate of divorce ? the embassy requests to check the document before issuing the affirmation of freedom to marry, but not ask for translating it. I read somewhere the registrar officer asked for it during the marriage registration ? ? ?

 

3 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

If his 400K hasn't been in the bank for the required 2 months and his 90 day permission of stay is due to shortly expire, once married he can apply for a 60 day extension based on 'visiting Thai wife'.

yeah, good idea ! I actually dont know there is a 60-days extension on 'visit Thai wife'. I never use it, or I never consider using it !

 

thanks, all suggestions are very clear.

[Tanoshi]

34 minutes ago, ETatBKK said:

his VISA O is not the retirement, is not the STV. months ago his girlfriend made a 5-pages photo album and asked amphur for endorsing the informal relationship. he told this album to the Thai embassy and told them this is a trip for marriage. Thai embassy issued a VISA O to him, for 90 days.

The Non O is only issued for the following reasons;

Non-Immigrant visas - Royal Thai Embassy, London

 

1. Non-Immigrant Type O (Voluntary work with NGO/Charity/Association (without salary) - single entry only)

2. Non-Immigrant Type O (Visiting or staying with applicant's Thai family resided in Thailand (more than 60 days) - single entry only)

3. Non-Immigrant Type O (Retirement (pensioner aged 50 or above with a state pension who wants to stay in Thailand for no longer than 90 days) - single entry only)

4. Non-Immigrant Type O (Thai nationals who have abandoned Thai citizenship - single entry only)

5. Non-Immigrant Type O (For medical treatment (more than 60 days) - single entry only)

6. Non-Immigrant Type O (To be a contestant or a witness for the judicial process - single entry only)

7. Non-Immigrant Type O (To work as a diplomat's housekeeper - single entry only)

 

It isn't issue for the purpose of intending to marry.

 

46 minutes ago, ETatBKK said:

they will be busy with the above process next weeks. thanks for the details ! ONE QUESTION - would the amphur need the translated / legalised certificate of divorce ? the embassy requests to check the document before issuing the affirmation of freedom to marry, but not ask for translating it. I read somewhere the registrar officer asked for it during the marriage registration ? ? ?

 

The divorce certificate is only required by the Embassy as proof he is free to marry.

It does not require legalising or translating, or by the Amphur, but always wise to keep it safe for future reference.