5 minutes ago, kotsak said:

 

Sinopharm's vaccine is not the same as Sinovac ????

 

Exactly, two different vaccines.

5 hours ago, ukrules said:

 

Pillows, really? Who writes this <deleted>?

 

Taken orally?

2 hours ago, madmen said:

Same here, dead tired 2days and not looking forward to the second dose. 

I'm  like  that every day so  maybe I won't  even notice.

My Mum in  England  had it no side  effects  at  all, she  still thinks  she'll get a cup of  tea and some  boiscuits, both shots  in her  90's.

1 hour ago, cclub75 said:

 

Just 9 ?

 

Nah... We prefer Maldives, Seychelles, Chili, Uruguay... Much greater numbers.

 

And of course the thousands of "incidents" officially recorded in USA, UK, Europe, and the hundred of... deaths, linked to the vaccines.

 

The blood clots for AZ etc.

 

The fact that even the UK has decided that AZ should not be given to people under 40 years old (source Reuters).

 

The fact that the UE has decided not to renew its contract with AZ and J&J (source Reuters)... And has even attacked in justice AZ (source ABC) etc.

????

 

Sooooooooo many good news about vaccines... ! We are thrilled.

 

 COVID-19 is on the retreat in the United States and Europe due to the largest vaccination push in decades. You seem more thrilled in few cases of side effects which the vaccine producers have made known. Your distorted sense of judgement seem misplaced. 

2 hours ago, smutcakes said:

The article said 88 nurses were given the vaccine.

Lottery number ?

The UK report 1 in 4 people are having side affects, non of them serious. Most side affects are, in fact, an indication that the vaccine is working. From the UK's NHS Scotland web site:

 

''It’s normal to experience side effects after the vaccine. It shows the vaccine is teaching your body’s immune system how to protect itself from the disease, however not everyone gets them''.

 

So man up you lot and take your medicine.

 

 

Multiple unattributed claims stating the same thing, some in overlarge fonts have been removed also replies.

I'm guessing psychosomatic, which Thais seem particularly prone to 'catch'...

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2 hours ago, irishman25 said:

NOTE If the person giving the vaccine does not do it correct then the same happens everywhere they give the vaccine same recurs it must be done correctly   

Also, are they adhering to the correct vaccination procedures? Like leaving it out in the heat which may cause it to spoil. How the vaccine is administered (where they place the shot on your arm) has a lot to do with the pain the next day. My first Moderna practically nothing left arm. Second right arm up slightly higher hurt the next 2 days.

2 hours ago, mrfill said:

From 2 days ago

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-56967973

Thats Sinopharm Not sinovac.

3 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Still not approved by Who or the CDC amongst others. Yet used primarily here.

The Sinovac vaccine has been authorised in 32 countries and jurisdictions, with 260 million doses distributed, the SAGE experts said.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/6/who-says-sinovac-covid-vaccine-effective-but-some-data-lacking

daughter had her first sinovac vaccine last week as she is training to be a doctor and is doing her time after uni at the local hospital, she stayed  with us for 2 days to make sure she was ok, all she complained about was soreness around the injection site on her arm

1 hour ago, Moonlover said:

The UK report 1 in 4 people are having side affects, non of them serious. Most side affects are, in fact, an indication that the vaccine is working. From the UK's NHS Scotland web site:

 

''It’s normal to experience side effects after the vaccine. It shows the vaccine is teaching your body’s immune system how to protect itself from the disease, however not everyone gets them''.

 

So man up you lot and take your medicine.

 

 

Exactly. I had a fairly bad reaction to yellow fever vaccine when I first got it in 1964. 

Do people think they should have discontinued the use of that vaccine.

If it wasn't for the mass vaccination in the 50s, many wouldn't be here today.

With this sinovac they will never stop injections it’s inferior, wait for AZ etc not this 

13 minutes ago, Aomelia said:

With this sinovac they will never stop injections it’s inferior, wait for AZ etc not this 

It's very effective against symptoms serious enough to require hospitalization. And while you may consider this a minor point, it's also very effective against the most serious symptom of all: death.

Getting my second Pfizer shot today. Could be good for a day off work tomorrow.

3 hours ago, smutcakes said:

The article said 88 nurses were given the vaccine.

 

Fair enough, I missed that.

 

8 minutes ago, holy cow cm said:

It's just junk.

The city of Serrana in Brazil has innoculated over 98% of its adult population with Coronavac. Hospitalizations and deaths have plummeted. If that's your idea of junk, then "junk" has taken on a whole new meaning.

 

A Small Brazilian Town Is Beating Covid-19 Through a Unique Experiment

Serrana starts to return to normal as the pandemic continues to rage across the rest of the country

https://www.wsj.com/articles/brazilian-towns-mass-vaccination-creates-oasis-of-well-being-11620392401

 

How a small city in Brazil may reveal how fast vaccines can curb COVID-19

"In the beginning of May, none of the six infirmary beds at Serrana’s Santa Casa Hospital and the city’s Basic Healthcare Unit are occupied, and the waiting line for beds both in infirmaries and intensive care units has zeroed. As of May 3, there is one Serrana resident in an infirmary and nine patients in an ICU, according to the Serrana Health Secretariat.

Nurse Glenda de Moraes, who has worked for two decades in Serrana and is involved in the coordination of Projeto S, says that positive test results have dropped, too, “to less than 20 percent [per day], way less than the 30 to 40 percent of positives we had before.”

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-pandemic-serrana-brazil-covid-mass-vaccine

I do not have specific info on side effects of the Sinovac vaccine but two weeks ago there was a nice article in the Lancet describing side effects (NOT including rare conditions such as blood clots and the like) in people in the UK vaccinated with either Pfizer or AZ (mostly applying to first dose only as few second dose had been delivered). Each group consisted of ca 300,000 persons, so fairly limited. You have to read it for yourself (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00224-3/fulltext), but some of the main observations:

 1. Systemic side effects  were reported in  13.5% of the Pfizer and  34% in the AZ group, respectively, with the bulk of complaints being  headache and fatigue.

2. Local effects were reported by 72% in the Pfizer and 59% in the AZ group, with the bulk of complaints being tenderness and pain at the injection side.

3. Side effects were usually most severe after one day and then subsided but might take a week to disappear completely.

4. Data on side effects after a 2nd dose (only reported for Pfizer) are limited, but showed an increase in systemic effects (to 22%) whereas local effects were comparable to the first shot (69%).

 

In general it would seem that the various complaints are typical for any vaccination (not specifically COVID).

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spelling error

24 minutes ago, placeholder said:

The city of Serrana in Brazil has innoculated over 98% of its adult population with Coronavac. Hospitalizations and deaths have plummeted. If that's your idea of junk, then "junk" has taken on a whole new meaning.

 

A Small Brazilian Town Is Beating Covid-19 Through a Unique Experiment

Serrana starts to return to normal as the pandemic continues to rage across the rest of the country

https://www.wsj.com/articles/brazilian-towns-mass-vaccination-creates-oasis-of-well-being-11620392401

 

How a small city in Brazil may reveal how fast vaccines can curb COVID-19

"In the beginning of May, none of the six infirmary beds at Serrana’s Santa Casa Hospital and the city’s Basic Healthcare Unit are occupied, and the waiting line for beds both in infirmaries and intensive care units has zeroed. As of May 3, there is one Serrana resident in an infirmary and nine patients in an ICU, according to the Serrana Health Secretariat.

Nurse Glenda de Moraes, who has worked for two decades in Serrana and is involved in the coordination of Projeto S, says that positive test results have dropped, too, “to less than 20 percent [per day], way less than the 30 to 40 percent of positives we had before.”

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-pandemic-serrana-brazil-covid-mass-vaccine

Go ahead and be my guest and jab away. Not me or my family in any long shot.

It starts to seem more and more that the cure is worse than the disease.

Some troll posts and the replies have been removed.

 

Some Covid misinformation posts and replies have been removed. 

"Her condition gradually improved after pillows were used to help her to breathe more comfortably"

 

Sorry, but side effects at such a low level are to be expected and not at all newsworthy. Breathing difficulties relieved by cleverly positioned pillows, really? Can't have been very serious then.

Just now, Caldera said:

"Her condition gradually improved after pillows were used to help her to breathe more comfortably"

 

Sorry, but side effects at such a low level are to be expected and not at all newsworthy. Breathing difficulties relieved by cleverly positioned pillows, really? Can't have been very serious then.

 

9 people out of 88 is not low level, its more than 10%.

That just about does it.  If I am offered Sinovac when I go for my appointment next month, I think I will pass.  Anutin declared it is safe for over 60s just because Sinovac, a dishonest company that has been caught paying bribes to regulators in China, says so.  The WHO said there was no compelling evidence that it is safe for over 60s.  Sinovac has not submitted its stage 3 trial results for publication in a respected peer reviewed journal.  If  there are lots of bad side effects in China, you can be sure that has been covered up.  In exchange for the unknown risk, you get unknown protection which is by all acccounts is at the low end of the range. 

4 hours ago, mrfill said:

From 2 days ago

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-56967973

That is Sinopharm not Sinovac. Different vaccinbes made by different companies.

 

Both Sinopharm and Sinovac submitted date to WHO in March but so far only Sinopharm has been approved.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-who-china-vaccines-idUSKBN2BN1K8

They try to create a misogynist narrative that nurses suffer from hysteria not side effects of a low quality Chinese vaccine imported for a high price.  The victims are given Amitriptyline and other depressants to calm down their hysteria.

9 hours ago, ukrules said:

 

Pillows, really? Who writes this <deleted>?

 

Is there a doctor in the house…

 

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/9446-positions-to-reduce-shortness-of-breath

9 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

This ones going to be like a dog-whistle for the Anti-vaxxers !!! 

I am not an anti vaxxer if i can get the moderna soon i will for sure , but 9 out of 88 C'mon that must even make you thinking . 

First we got the virus from China then the substandard vaccine.. what next !??