15 minutes ago, RR2020 said:

 

So the big fall in cases in May 2020 was due to a vaccine that did not exist at the time ?

 

The virus will mutate........just like flu has over decades.....

 

You cannot defeat Mother Nature, she will win in the end.......all that is happening now is delaying the inevitable.

 

Of course this might not be mother nature. Gain of function experiments in the Wuhan lab is being looked at again. Even Fauchi has admitted it may not be animal origin.

Edited May 25, 20215 yr by dinsdale

24 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Over the last few days, they did more than 100,000 tests.

 

What is the source for testing numbers?

7 minutes ago, AlfHuy said:

One day, he will be right.

Just like a broken clock is right twice a day.

Hong Kong could soon throw away millions of unused vaccine doses

• May 25, 2021

A trolley carrying Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 coronavirus vaccines at Hong Kong International Airport in Hong Kong on February 27, 2021. (Photo by JEROME FAVRE / POOL / AFP)

 

Hong Kong may soon have to throw away millions of Coronavirus vaccine doses because they are approaching their expiry date and not enough people have signed up for the jabs, an official warned Tuesday.

 

Hong Kong is one of the few places in the world fortunate enough to have secured more than enough doses to innoculate its entire population of 7.5 million people.

But swirling distrust of the government as it stamps out dissent, combined with online misinformation and a lack of urgency in the comparatively virus-free city, has led to entrenched vaccine hesitancy and a dismal inoculation drive.

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/hong-kong-could-soon-throw-away-millions-of-unused-vaccine-doses/

 

Anutin, are you listening?!

 

2 hours ago, webfact said:

The news comes as Health Minister Anutin declared that there was plenty of vaccine against Covid-19 for everyone.

 

7 hours ago, webfact said:

Some hospitals were being forced to postpone second rounds of Covid-19 inoculations as Siam Bioscience was falling behind in its scheduled production of the AstraZeneca vaccine

 

This is what passes for joined-up government in Thailand, lol.

 

 

2 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Outside of the prisons and the labor camps, and factories, the virus is becoming scarce. 

 

Only 3 cases in Pattaya today. 

 

There isn't enough testing. 

 

Yes, everyone who comes to Thailand simply becomes Amazing including the virus

1 hour ago, RR2020 said:

 

So the big fall in cases in May 2020 was due to a vaccine that did not exist at the time ?

 

The virus will mutate........just like flu has over decades.....

 

You cannot defeat Mother Nature, she will win in the end.......all that is happening now is delaying the inevitable.

 

You cannot claim that any drop in cases in May 2020 was due to herd immunity.

41 minutes ago, tomazbodner said:

Hong Kong could soon throw away millions of unused vaccine doses

• May 25, 2021

A trolley carrying Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 coronavirus vaccines at Hong Kong International Airport in Hong Kong on February 27, 2021. (Photo by JEROME FAVRE / POOL / AFP)

 

Hong Kong may soon have to throw away millions of Coronavirus vaccine doses because they are approaching their expiry date and not enough people have signed up for the jabs, an official warned Tuesday.

 

Hong Kong is one of the few places in the world fortunate enough to have secured more than enough doses to innoculate its entire population of 7.5 million people.

But swirling distrust of the government as it stamps out dissent, combined with online misinformation and a lack of urgency in the comparatively virus-free city, has led to entrenched vaccine hesitancy and a dismal inoculation drive.

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/hong-kong-could-soon-throw-away-millions-of-unused-vaccine-doses/

 

Anutin, are you listening?!

 

Yet Thailand will not take them even if they were free.....no authorization from Pfizer to transfer the vaccines......you can not give medicine away that was designated for another.  Should be vaccinating the dogs of war since Hong Kong has been under siege by China for awhile....

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

No you said multiple times the peak was over 3 weeks ago, it wasn't. Would you like some direct quotes, you've got a very short memory. 

You seem hung up on semantics.

 

Until 3 weeks ago, the wave was spiking. Then, the crest hit, and growth has flattened. 
 

You are confused by the one day addition of accumulated prison infection numbers, but anyone with any common sense would ignore that number. 
 

Do you expect further spiking of this wave? Oh, that’s right, you have no idea, just hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

1 hour ago, AlfHuy said:

One day, he will be right.

You and the other Doomsayers are going to be disappointed. It seems there is a political angle to analyzing the path of this wave, if your view is dominated by a belief that the government is incompetent, then your expectation is that they will mismanage the epidemic, and it will go out of control.

 

on the other hand, if you ignore the politics, and just look at the numbers, it’s pretty obvious that outside of some pockets, this wave will fade away. Along the way, some new pockets will be discovered, maybe some refugee camp near the border, and the Doomsayers will have another chance to predict catastrophe.

 

We will reach a point where recorded new infections will be very low, the government will allow some re-openings, and the Doomsayers will say that the wave is still continuing but it’s all being hidden, as the hospitals empty out.

Edited May 25, 20215 yr by Danderman123

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

Over the last few days, they did more than 100,000 tests.

But how many new people were tested, not the number of tests? 

Prisoner numbers are infections, they should be recorded as well.

 

The statements that come out about how the Government will vaccinate everyone by certain months is a lot of claptrap, look how long it has take the UK to get so far or even parts of Europe, it will take longer than 8 months to get everyone vaccinated, and then only if the second vaccination has been purchased and is available.

16 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You cannot claim that any drop in cases in May 2020 was due to herd immunity.

 

No....its just natural in Northern hemisphere when winter ends and people go out more and get more sunlight and UV rays..............virus levels fall off.

 

As they did in May 2020 so they did in May 2021.

 

The point is.........in May 2020 there was no vaccine but a big fall.  In May 2021 there is a vaccine and a big fall.

 

What is the common factor 2020 and 2021.......what was the same in both years ?

16 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You cannot claim that any drop in cases in May 2020 was due to herd immunity.

That's right. It was the lockdown along with mask wearing. Had they done the same after the Thong Lor spread and not allowed Sonkran Thailand may be in a similar situation to last year. 

1 minute ago, RR2020 said:

 

No....its just natural in Northern hemisphere when winter ends and people go out more and get more sunlight and UV rays..............virus levels fall off.

 

As they did in May 2020 so they did in May 2021.

 

The point is.........in May 2020 there was no vaccine but a big fall.  In May 2021 there is a vaccine and a big fall.

 

What is the common factor 2020 and 2021.......what was the same in both years ?

Yeah, everyone in Brazil and India knows that hot weather and sun kill the virus.

 

Your interpretation of the data leaves a lot to be desired. Please explain the surge in new infections in the US during last July and August.

8 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You seem hung up on semantics.

 

Until 3 weeks ago, the wave was spiking. Then, the crest hit, and growth has flattened. 
 

You are confused by the one day addition of accumulated prison infection numbers, but anyone with any common sense would ignore that number. 
 

Do you expect further spiking of this wave? Oh, that’s right, you have no idea, just hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

What are you talking about? Its nothing to do with prison infections. On the 23rd May community infections hit an all time high of 2,917.

 

Yet you were repeatably saying the crest was over before this in fact just 3 days earlier on the 20th May here is a quote from you:

 

 "The numbers for the general population crested 3 weeks ago."

 

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1217742-thailand-reports-2636-covid-19-cases-25-new-deaths/page/2/?tab=comments#comment-16492137

 

You were wrong and have never actually acknowledged that fact and instead carry on repeating the same.

 

7 minutes ago, beano2274 said:

Prisoner numbers are infections, they should be recorded as well.

 

The statements that come out about how the Government will vaccinate everyone by certain months is a lot of claptrap, look how long it has take the UK to get so far or even parts of Europe, it will take longer than 8 months to get everyone vaccinated, and then only if the second vaccination has been purchased and is available.

I am okay with adding in prisoner infection numbers, as long as they are added when they happen, and not thrown into the national numbers in one big dump.

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

What are you talking about? Its nothing to do with prison infections. On the 23rd May community infections hit an all time high of 2,917.

 

Yet you were repeatably saying the crest was over before this in fact just 3 days earlier on the 20th May here is a quote from you:

 

 "The numbers for the general population crested 3 weeks ago."

 

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1217742-thailand-reports-2636-covid-19-cases-25-new-deaths/page/2/?tab=comments#comment-16492137

 

You were wrong and have never actually acknowledged that fact and instead carry on repeating the same.

 

My point is and was that the big spike ended in late April, when everyone stopped talking about exponential growth. 
 

Yeah, it’s obvious that the wave stopped its growth since the peak of 2800 in late April, and has flatlined in the same range since then, in a random walk that hit 2900 a few days ago. That’s not exactly a Titanic class catastrophe.

Edited May 25, 20215 yr by Danderman123

5 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

My point is and was that the big spike ended in late April, when everyone stopped talking about exponential growth. 
 

 

On the 23rd May 2,922 general population new COVID cases reported, the highest single day tally of its kind since the start of the pandemic. 

 

You need a few lessons in maths without the excuses

Trends chart showing the numbers of daily COVID cases reported in Thailand since the start of the current third wave of the pandemic at the beginning of April. The blue bars show self-referred cases, the yellow bars cases found through outreach testing and the gray bars reflect prison cases.

 

As reported above, Thailand has now had 3,000+ new cases reported in five of the past seven days, marking a new sustained plateau high for the country since the start of the pandemic in early 2020, though the recent totals are showing fewer self-referred cases and more found via outreach testing at COVID outbreak locations.

 

 

In Tuesday's update, four provinces led by Bangkok reported more than 100 new cases. Twenty eight provinces reported from one to ten new cases, while 29 provinces reported no new cases at all.

 

 

The graph below shows the daily tallies of new COVID cases during the past week (May 19-25) for (listed in order) total domestic cases for Thailand excluding a small number from international travelers in quarantine, the subtotals for Bangkok province, and the subtotals for new prison cases.

 

Total domestic cases including in the prisons rose from 2,664 to 3,207 in the past day. Bangkok's case count declined slightly for the past day from 951 to 872. But the number of new prison cases reported rose from 206 to 882. The cumulative totals in the far right column reflect the total numbers of cases in each category since the start of April.

 

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/informationcovid19/posts/332072668411064

 

 

 

 

#COVID19TH UPDATE (25 May 21)

 

 - 3,226* new cases (135,439 total)

- 3,094 more discharged (89,194)

- 45,413 active cases (1,187 critical, 399 of them on ventilators)

- 26 more deaths (832)

 

*882 in prisons.

 

 

https://twitter.com/SaksithCNA/status/1397063632194654209

 

It's a bloody global pandemic so obviously there are going to be infections.  Surely the correct measure is the number of deaths or those admitted to hospital with severe symptoms?  By that measure, Thailand is doing well and there are no signs of hospitals being overwhelmed like they were in Italy and Spain.  With only 2-3,000 infections per day, with the majority being symptom-less or with mild symptoms, it seems ridiculous to shut down the economy, even partially like the Thai government has done.

1 hour ago, tomazbodner said:

Hong Kong could soon throw away millions of unused vaccine doses

• May 25, 2021

A trolley carrying Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 coronavirus vaccines at Hong Kong International Airport in Hong Kong on February 27, 2021. (Photo by JEROME FAVRE / POOL / AFP)

 

Hong Kong may soon have to throw away millions of Coronavirus vaccine doses because they are approaching their expiry date and not enough people have signed up for the jabs, an official warned Tuesday.

 

Hong Kong is one of the few places in the world fortunate enough to have secured more than enough doses to innoculate its entire population of 7.5 million people.

But swirling distrust of the government as it stamps out dissent, combined with online misinformation and a lack of urgency in the comparatively virus-free city, has led to entrenched vaccine hesitancy and a dismal inoculation drive.

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/hong-kong-could-soon-throw-away-millions-of-unused-vaccine-doses/

 

Anutin, are you listening?!

 

Glad I got mine before they are thrown away.

2 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

It's a bloody global pandemic so obviously there are going to be infections.  Surely the correct measure is the number of deaths or those admitted to hospital with severe symptoms?  By that measure, Thailand is doing well and there are no signs of hospitals being overwhelmed like they were in Italy and Spain. 

 

With only 2-3,000 infections per day, with the majority being symptom-less or with mild symptoms, it seems ridiculous to shut down the economy, even partially like the Thai government has done.

 

 

The government were pilloried for 'allowing' Songkran to happen - and for nor banning travel etc.

 

 

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

 

 

IMO they have got it about as right as anyone..... and have acted decisively (at least on paper) when required.

4 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

It's a bloody global pandemic so obviously there are going to be infections.  Surely the correct measure is the number of deaths or those admitted to hospital with severe symptoms?  By that measure, Thailand is doing well and there are no signs of hospitals being overwhelmed like they were in Italy and Spain.  With only 2-3,000 infections per day, with the majority being symptom-less or with mild symptoms, it seems ridiculous to shut down the economy, even partially like the Thai government has done.

You were on the right track there for a bit, and then you forgot that there are only 2-3000 cases a day because of the shutdown of the economy. 

Just now, hotandsticky said:

 

 

The government were pilloried for 'allowing' Songkran to happen - and for nor banning travel etc.

 

 

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

 

 

IMO they have got it about as right as anyone..... and have acted decisively (at least on paper) when required.

I would say their contact tracing and Whack a Mole tactics have been successful, but their vaccine distribution has been awful. 

5 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

With only 2-3,000 infections per day, with the majority being symptom-less or with mild symptoms, it seems ridiculous to shut down the economy, even partially like the Thai government has done.

 

Logic fail. 

 

We have a lockdown  and therefore interactions and cases remain ‘manageable’. Conclusion : well, things are manageable, so we should obviously stop the lockdown.

 

What could possibly go wrong ?

19 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

On the 23rd May 2,922 general population new COVID cases reported, the highest single day tally of its kind since the start of the pandemic. 

 

You need a few lessons in maths without the excuses

Do you think this wave will spike up more, or do think it's stable? And by spike up, I mean hitting 4,000+ new infections a day. 

3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes outside of the Prisons, labour camps, factories, old peoples homes, slum areas's where the poor Thai's live, migrant camps, markets, entertainment venues as they're closed, schools in Bangkok as they're closed, then everything is really rosy.

 

Is there anything else we should exclude to bring down the numbers and make the virus even more scarce?

 

Oh yea, you've already got it, not enough testing......????

 

The virus in Thailand was released in limited number. Just like a computer hash.... Or a block chain token if you will. The scarcity makes it more valuable imo

4 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Rolling seven-day average of daily COVID case counts and deaths for Thailand updated through May 23:

 

 

 

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/thailand?country=~THA#what-is-the-daily-number-of-confirmed-cases

 

 

Please, if you want to make a useful comment for everyone, you should also attach the vaccination chart each time.

So we can compare the development of these lines