Thailand Calls for Lifting of Intellectual Property Protection on COVID-19 Vaccines

[Nojohndoe]

Many years back Brazil defied Big Pharma et al and started making  drugs  to treat HIV patients instead of paying exorbitant amounts  for imports. It resulted in a Court case which Brazil won in terms of paying a relatively small one time compensation fine and gaining the right to do so in the interests of humane treatment cost and access.

The calls for lifting IPP on Covid-19 are similar given the global "emergency" of this pandemic.

Another aspect is that  a lot of global research done is via University programs which are provided relatively small funding  grants to extract results from students who are also paying tuition for the privilege ! Add to that State funding in many cases.

 

[Jeffr2]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-thailand-drugs-abbott/angered-u-s-firm-excludes-thailand-from-new-drugs-idUSBKK27714620070314

 

U.S. drugs giant Abbott Laboratories said it would stop launching new medicines in Thailand in protest at the army-backed government’s move to override international drug patents.

 

“Thailand has chosen to break patents on numerous medicines, ignoring the patent system. As such, we’ve elected not to introduce new medicines there,” Abbott spokeswoman Jennifer Smoter told Reuters.

[Jeffr2]

https://scholarship.law.unc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1886&context=ncilj

 

Patent Breaking or Balancing: Separating Strands of Fact from Fiction under Trips Fiction under Trip

 

Accused of theft, stealing, and confiscation, Thailand capturedthe attention of the world when it issued a series of compulsorylicenses on patented drugs.' Thailand issued the licenses withlittle prior warning and at a royalty rate of only one-half percent ofthe total sale price-far below the market price sold by the patentowners.2

[Fex Bluse]

I mean, honestly, there are fewer ideas funnier than Chinese societies (of which I consider Thailand one) pretending to care about common people. 

 

Look at what the Chinese are doing with their Vaccine Diplomacy and holding the world hostage. 

 

Why doesn't Thailand and the rest of the poverty stricken, low intellectual capital Asian countries call for China to give its vaccines for free? 

[Jeffr2]

1 minute ago, Fex Bluse said:

I mean, honestly, there are fewer ideas funnier than Chinese societies (of which I consider Thailand one) pretending to care about common people. 

 

Look at what the Chinese are doing with their Vaccine Diplomacy and holding the world hostage. 

 

Why doesn't Thailand and the rest of the poverty stricken, low intellectual capital Asian countries call for China to give its vaccines for free? 

Not to mention the reason for our last 2 waves was corruption.  Supported by the government.  Illegal border crossings and illegal foreign workers.  I'd hate to think what these 2 waves cost the Thai government...errr....the Thai people.

[BestB]

4 minutes ago, Fex Bluse said:

I mean, honestly, there are fewer ideas funnier than Chinese societies (of which I consider Thailand one) pretending to care about common people. 

 

Look at what the Chinese are doing with their Vaccine Diplomacy and holding the world hostage. 

 

Why doesn't Thailand and the rest of the poverty stricken, low intellectual capital Asian countries call for China to give its vaccines for free? 

You are correct only thailand is far from poor. Have enough money to buy 3 subs a few tanks and all the rest but do not have money to support struggling businesses or people. 
 

the only reason why they want the recipe for free so that thai pharma’s that are owned by people who can not be mentioned can also make some money out of it .

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, BestB said:

Whatever made you think it’s for the good of the people and not to fill up it’s own pockets?

seen any charitable thai pharma ? 

I have actually,

I'm taking meds that Thai pharma copy and sell through the government hospital at 2.5bht/day while the imported American version of the same drug is 25bht/day.

 

I also buy Thai Amoxicillin 500 at 27bht for a 1 week course, and paracetamol for 45bht/100 tablets ........ what's the American price for those?. I believe Thai versions of AIDs medicine is similarly cheap.

 

The greed and profiteering of American Pharma companies and American healthcare are a disgrace to the civilised world. All they care about is making money, at the expense of the poor.

[Ventenio]

7 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

also buy Thai Amoxicillin 500 at 27bht for a 1 week course

I've taken this.  I think it's penicillin.  No way you are buying that OTC in America.

 

America.   step 1:  See a doctor to get a prescription:   $100,000.    

 

there is no step 2........step 1 is too expensive.

 

there is ONE drawback..... in Thailand we can play doctor and try everything.

 

Now I'm on 198 pills to cure my dehydration.   hahahhahahahahhaha.

 

 

[Jeffr2]

12 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I have actually,

I'm taking meds that Thai pharma copy and sell through the government hospital at 2.5bht/day while the imported American version of the same drug is 25bht/day.

 

I also buy Thai Amoxicillin 500 at 27bht for a 1 week course, and paracetamol for 45bht/100 tablets ........ what's the American price for those?. I believe Thai versions of AIDs medicine is similarly cheap.

 

American Pharma companies and American healthcare are a disgrace to the civilised world. All they care about is making money, at the expense of the poor.

Amoxicillin's patent expired.  Not sure about the other drug you are taking, whether it's the same or not.

 

In the US, you can get name brands or ask for generics at very reduced prices.  Hardly a disgrace there. 

 

Some generics are not a great value, others are.  Some companies make good drugs, others don't.

 

https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/do-generic-drugs-compromise-on-quality

 

A new study raises questions about whether they're truly equivalent to the brand-name versions.

 

It found that patients who took generic versions of three different blood pressure medications in the months after the generic drugs became available saw increased rates of drug-related side effects. Study authors said this might suggest performance differences between the brand-name and generic drugs.

 

 

[Jeffr2]

8 minutes ago, Ventenio said:

I've taken this.  I think it's penicillin.  No way you are buying that OTC in America.

 

America.   step 1:  See a doctor to get a prescription:   $100,000.    

 

there is no step 2........step 1 is too expensive.

 

there is ONE drawback..... in Thailand we can play doctor and try everything.

 

Now I'm on 198 pills to cure my dehydration.   hahahhahahahahhaha.

 

 

Last prescription I got in the US was hardly $100,000.  A bit of an over exaggeration there me thinks.

 

It's a good thing they do this in the US.  Considering how Penicillin is take here like candy to cure anything from a sore throat to whatever.  And thus, the rise of drug resistant bugs.  Not a good thing.

[BestB]

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I have actually,

I'm taking meds that Thai pharma copy and sell through the government hospital at 2.5bht/day while the imported American version of the same drug is 25bht/day.

 

I also buy Thai Amoxicillin 500 at 27bht for a 1 week course, and paracetamol for 45bht/100 tablets ........ what's the American price for those?. I believe Thai versions of AIDs medicine is similarly cheap.

 

The greed and profiteering of American Pharma companies and American healthcare are a disgrace to the civilised world. All they care about is making money, at the expense of the poor.

How is that seeing charitable thai pharma?

 

not only locally made are sold not given to you for free but an imported one is heavily taxed by the very same government you support.

 

in addition original company spent millions if not billions in development and research to make this drug , while thai pharma spent zero .

[unblocktheplanet]

6 hours ago, Fex Bluse said:

As it should have. Agree. Business is business. The mRNA tech has been in development for decades.

 

Billions of dollars of research and all the related hard work of facilitating this work like maintaining intellectual property rights, attracting the best minds, schools, attracting smart foreigners to the west by not, for example, perpetuating national xenophobia... 

 

These are some of the costs of developing world class economies that can do what has been done here. 

 

That is not free. 

Yes & no. mRNA & most other research initiatives are not solely funded by pharma. There is usually a major component of taxpayer funding as well, if not completely.

 

This has nothing to do with the new & value-added billionaires. Frankly, they're bloodsucking leeches & if that's business-as-usual, we need a new model.

 

For one, cap that billion. Anything more goes directly into the public purse. It need not be said that nobody needs more than a Bill. These bills are driven--they'll keep making more just because it's their nature.