sungod Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Leaver said: Are there 30 people in a small room at the market? It's all about stopping unnecessary close contacts. Food is necessary, thus the market stays open. I guess you think they should open nightclubs, but only if they have 30 people. ???? And children's education is not necessary? Opening nightclubs? You are just being silly now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James105 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Leaver said: Are there 30 people in a small room at the market? It's all about stopping unnecessary close contacts. Food is necessary, thus the market stays open. I guess you think they should open nightclubs, but only if they have 30 people. ???? Always the extremes with the lockdown fanatics. No-one suggests opening nightclubs or closed indoor spaces. Are you really stopping people from drinking/socialising by closing the bars though? I can tell you categorically you are not. Everyone I know here, and I mean everyone, is still socialising and having parties but instead of doing this outdoors, or in a controlled open air environment where the virus does not spread, they are having condo parties. The virus is simply not scary enough for people to want to avoid socialising and if you do not provide safe outdoor spaces where people can do this, then you force people into uncontrolled, unventilated spaces where it is easy for the virus to spread. If you wanted the virus to keep spreading then closing safe outdoor spaces where people can get together is certainly one way to go about it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HashBrownHarry Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Leaver said: The solution depends on a lot of variables. Eg. how many cases, how deadly the virus is, how the virus spreads etc. (I mean any virus, not just covid) Obviously, people need food or they die, so supermarkets must remain open. Do they need beer or they die, no. So bars close. Can kids survive without school for a few months, yes, so close the schools. lol - just like that, simple!!! Don't think so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaver Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 16 hours ago, HashBrownHarry said: lol - just like that, simple!!! Don't think so... Closures and isolation work. It's that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HashBrownHarry Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, Leaver said: Closures and isolation work. It's that simple. Sure but not easy to keep everywhere shut down forever, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaver Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, HashBrownHarry said: Sure but not easy to keep everywhere shut down forever, is it? No one, or no government, is suggesting it's forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HashBrownHarry Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 Just now, Leaver said: No one, or no government, is suggesting it's forever. How long do you suggest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaver Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 minute ago, HashBrownHarry said: How long do you suggest? Until positive cases are manageable, or about 70% of the population is vaccinated. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickyr55 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 On 6/10/2021 at 8:16 PM, Leaver said: Say 30 kids in a class, 60 parents for those kids, each parent with a workplace with possibly hundreds, such as a factory. Why shut down the factories with hundreds, when you can shut down the 30 kid class, which acts as a central point of spread for all the staff from different factories? Reading this I take it all the schools were closed during your childhood ???????????? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 18 hours ago, James105 said: Everyone I know here, and I mean everyone, is still socialising and having parties but instead of doing this outdoors, or in a controlled open air environment where the virus does not spread, they are having condo parties. You perhaps move in different circles or in a younger age group. Many I know, most, are being more cautious and are certainly not attending condo parties. At most 2-3 of them get together at a condo on occasion but I would not call them parties.... they are all like minded and behave with caution outside of these meetings, watched over by vigilant female partners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazySlipper Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 21 hours ago, robblok said: Teachers in the Netherlands don't want to open up yet (some do some dont) so its not as if all teachers want to open up. Quite a bit resistance in the Netherlands. So i believe you when you say there are plenty of teachers who don't want to open. I am sure there are also those who want to open up. Especially those who don't get paid as much now. The thing is... many teachers have the choice to teach from home as my wife does... or some have the choice to teach from the school facilities... either way most teachers get paid the same salary. Personally I would rather teach from home... or the school without the kids... experienced teachers will tell you that it is super easy to get sick from the kids... every year I get a nasty flu or cold and usually it came from the kids... so anyone who says they rather be facing the kids is suicidal or has a death wish... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewsterbudgen Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 minute ago, LazySlipper said: The thing is... many teachers have the choice to teach from home as my wife does... or some have the choice to teach from the school facilities... either way most teachers get paid the same salary. Personally I would rather teach from home... or the school without the kids... experienced teachers will tell you that it is super easy to get sick from the kids... every year I get a nasty flu or cold and usually it came from the kids... so anyone who says they rather be facing the kids is suicidal or has a death wish... Good grief - suicidal or a death wish? Why do some need to use such hyperbolic exaggeration? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sungod Posted June 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Leaver said: Closures and isolation work. It's that simple. Suggest you stay isolated and let the rest of use crack on, simple! Edited June 12, 2021 by sungod 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 Some off topic bickering has been removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazySlipper Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said: Good grief - suicidal or a death wish? Why do some need to use such hyperbolic exaggeration? cos that is what it is... call a spade a spade and put your money where ur mouth is... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaver Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 4 hours ago, sungod said: Suggest you stay isolated and let the rest of use crack on, simple! It's not about me, it's about the 6 billion people around the world. Your argument is the low morality rate of covid, compared to the amount of people that have contracted the disease, means the world shouldn't be closing. The problem is, if every one was left to "crack on" then the virus would mutate, possibly into something a lot more deadly. Say the virus mutated into something that predominantly killed children, I bet you would have no problem with school closures then. The race is on to get ahead of the virus not just so schools can open, not just so bars can open, not just so international travel can start, but to race against the virus mutating into something that puts the world back to March 2020. Do you know what Covid 25 looks like? I didn't think so. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewsterbudgen Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 39 minutes ago, Leaver said: It's not about me, it's about the 6 billion people around the world. Your argument is the low morality rate of covid, compared to the amount of people that have contracted the disease, means the world shouldn't be closing. The problem is, if every one was left to "crack on" then the virus would mutate, possibly into something a lot more deadly. Say the virus mutated into something that predominantly killed children, I bet you would have no problem with school closures then. The race is on to get ahead of the virus not just so schools can open, not just so bars can open, not just so international travel can start, but to race against the virus mutating into something that puts the world back to March 2020. Do you know what Covid 25 looks like? I didn't think so. Is the world closing? I think you're being a little melodramatic! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaver Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 12 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said: Is the world closing? I think you're being a little melodramatic! The world is not closing, but certain countries are struggling. Different countries are moving at different paces. So, what's open today, may be closed next month, and what's closed today, may be open next month. It all depends on the spread, and without lockdowns, the spread may increase, which increases the duration of the lockdown. Sometimes it's better to have a very harsh lockdown for a shorter period of time, than a half a**ed lockdown over a longer period of time, in which new cases increase, and nothing is achieved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieH Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 Bickering posts removed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Triangle Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 On 6/11/2021 at 4:11 PM, James105 said: Everyone I know here, and I mean everyone, is still socialising and having parties but instead of doing this outdoors, or in a controlled open air environment where the virus does not spread, they are having condo parties. Having been here 10 years & having many friends I can assure you we are not gathering in condo's or peoples houses for parties or anything else thank you, I haven't seen any of my friends since before the beginning of April, sure I miss seeing people but I value my health far more, when I have been jabbed, and my friends of course we can possibly contemplate a small gathering. I don't miss the bars not being open, I do regret that restaurants can serve food but I can't have a glass of wine or two with dinner, but I probably won't be mixing with anyone except the Mrs until I get jabbed, you crack on mate, just don't come on here crying when it all goes belly up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James105 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 14 hours ago, Golden Triangle said: Having been here 10 years & having many friends I can assure you we are not gathering in condo's or peoples houses for parties or anything else thank you, I haven't seen any of my friends since before the beginning of April, sure I miss seeing people but I value my health far more, when I have been jabbed, and my friends of course we can possibly contemplate a small gathering. I don't miss the bars not being open, I do regret that restaurants can serve food but I can't have a glass of wine or two with dinner, but I probably won't be mixing with anyone except the Mrs until I get jabbed, you crack on mate, just don't come on here crying when it all goes belly up. Congratulations... I was not aware of you, but let me rephrase it and specify everyone but you is still socialising, but in unventilated spaces. If you are capable of being careful when there is a virus spreading around, why is it you need to see businesses shut down and other lives destroyed to "protect you"? Why could you not just take some personal responsibility for your own safety as you appear to be capable of doing and let others make their own judgements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandRyan Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, James105 said: Congratulations... I was not aware of you, but let me rephrase it and specify everyone but you is still socialising, but in unventilated spaces. If you are capable of being careful when there is a virus spreading around, why is it you need to see businesses shut down and other lives destroyed to "protect you"? Why could you not just take some personal responsibility for your own safety as you appear to be capable of doing and let others make their own judgements? It's people like you with the attitude of let us do what we want that continues this virus spreading. Get the country vaccinated first then go party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James105 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said: It's people like you with the attitude of let us do what we want that continues this virus spreading. Get the country vaccinated first then go party. My attitude does not affect how the virus spreads. People are not catching it in small social gatherings according to the data. They catch it in factories, hospitals, busy markets etc. If you want the virus to go away then you actually need to close down those sort of places. Outdoor, ventilated bars and restaurants do not make any difference to the virus spreading. These measures have been in place for over 2 months now and nothing has changed. My point is that you cannot control human behaviour and it should be accounted for - the virus is not scary enough for most people to want to isolate themselves. So let people socialise in safer, controlled environments and give at least some business owners a small chance at surviving. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 22 hours ago, James105 said: People are not catching it in small social gatherings according to the data. Then you are not aware of the data. Larger numbers are found by testing many in factories etc but there is often a smaller number where it has been caught from a 'family' member. These would constitute small social gatherings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 On 6/11/2021 at 4:11 PM, James105 said: If you wanted the virus to keep spreading then closing safe outdoor spaces where people can get together is certainly one way to go about it. I don't get that...... probably because it is complete rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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