Chonburi: All schools to remain shut until further notice

[sungod]

15 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

We are..... the government are making all these decisions that you are unhappy with. 

Of course we would make comments that reflect our own lives and situations, but you complain as if we have actually brought in these restrictions. 

Protesting here will not really do very much.

 

I get that, its debate.

[HashBrownHarry]

18 hours ago, Leaver said:

 

Why do you say this?

 

Say mum or dad works in a factory, comes home and gives it to their kid.  The kid goes to school and gives it to other kids.  They go home and give it to their parents.  Those parents go to work and give it to their colleagues, then the cycle starts again.  

 

Sadly, in the cycle, are bound to be grandparents, who may succumb to the disease and die.  

 

So what's your solution, no one ever goes out agan until every single person has been vaccinated with something that's only 95% effective?

[chalawaan]

What about bargirls in school uniform?

 

Since school is shut, can they come out to play, Mrs. Mamasan?

[robblok]

31 minutes ago, HashBrownHarry said:

So what's your solution, no one ever goes out agan until every single person has been vaccinated with something that's only 95% effective?

Actually having these restrictions till you got like 70% of people vaccinated works in other countries. Why would it not work here. In my country we are now relaxing measures as the vaccination levels get higher. Hospital admissions and possitive tests are dropping. Deaths are dropping and we are opening up.

 

I think most people complaining are guys missing the bars and parents who can't be with their kids. Other people seem to be more sensible and understand that these measures suck but keep the hospitals from being overrun and then you got Indian / Brazilian situations. 

 

So just be patient wait for a 4 months till vaccination is higher and then maybe things will open up safe. 

 

Alternatively you could return to your home country meanwhile as in most European countries and the US they are ahead with vaccinations and opening up. Then wait it out there and come back here when its to your liking. 

[brewsterbudgen]

1 hour ago, sungod said:

 

You defy all logic.

 

What about man goes to market gets covid, then goes to work at a factory and infects hundred? Do we close all the markets down too?

 

I guess you dont have kids.

 

Exactly.  Some people would advocate closing everything down. I have a kid and I'm a teacher, and we both need to get back to proper school soon!  Learning and teaching online since April has been no substitute.  There is no logic for allowing kids and families to hang out in malls, yet continuing to close schools.

[HashBrownHarry]

39 minutes ago, robblok said:

Actually having these restrictions till you got like 70% of people vaccinated works in other countries. Why would it not work here. In my country we are now relaxing measures as the vaccination levels get higher. Hospital admissions and possitive tests are dropping. Deaths are dropping and we are opening up.

 

I think most people complaining are guys missing the bars and parents who can't be with their kids. Other people seem to be more sensible and understand that these measures suck but keep the hospitals from being overrun and then you got Indian / Brazilian situations. 

 

So just be patient wait for a 4 months till vaccination is higher and then maybe things will open up safe. 

 

Alternatively you could return to your home country meanwhile as in most European countries and the US they are ahead with vaccinations and opening up. Then wait it out there and come back here when its to your liking. 

Unfortunately as some one who has to travel a lot your options are not suitable for me.

[brewsterbudgen]

40 minutes ago, robblok said:

Actually having these restrictions till you got like 70% of people vaccinated works in other countries. Why would it not work here. In my country we are now relaxing measures as the vaccination levels get higher. Hospital admissions and possitive tests are dropping. Deaths are dropping and we are opening up.

 

I think most people complaining are guys missing the bars and parents who can't be with their kids. Other people seem to be more sensible and understand that these measures suck but keep the hospitals from being overrun and then you got Indian / Brazilian situations. 

 

So just be patient wait for a 4 months till vaccination is higher and then maybe things will open up safe. 

 

Alternatively you could return to your home country meanwhile as in most European countries and the US they are ahead with vaccinations and opening up. Then wait it out there and come back here when its to your liking. 

 

In the real world people have jobs and need to go to work - and kids need to go to school! There is zero evidence of hospitals in Thailand being over-run.

[robblok]

4 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

In the real world people have jobs and need to go to work - and kids need to go to school! There is zero evidence of hospitals in Thailand being over-run.

Because of the restrictions hospitals have not been overrun. We seen what happened. Kids can learn online been done in my country. Its just that a lot of parents don't want to do it too much extra work for them. Bit selfish actually wanting to force teachers to work and risk others because they don't want to put in the extra effort.

 

 

[robblok]

7 minutes ago, HashBrownHarry said:

Unfortunately as some one who has to travel a lot your options are not suitable for me.

The tough luck for you can't make everyone happy its a pandemic. We all have to make sacrifices. I got less business and more stress because of this whole thing too. Everyone has. 

[brewsterbudgen]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

Because of the restrictions hospitals have not been overrun. We seen what happened. Kids can learn online been done in my country. Its just that a lot of parents don't want to do it too much extra work for them. Bit selfish actually wanting to force teachers to work and risk others because they don't want to put in the extra effort.

 

 

My kid has been learning online since April and I have been teaching online since then too. It's time to go back. Any parent or teacher who is still risk adverse can choose not to go back.  The risk is miniscule.

[robblok]

10 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

My kid has been learning online since April and I have been teaching online since then too. It's time to go back. Any parent or teacher who is still risk adverse can choose not to go back.  The risk is miniscule.

That is your opinion, so it is you that wants to go back to teaching is it an income thing perhaps ?

[brewsterbudgen]

2 minutes ago, robblok said:

That is your opinion, so it is you that wants to go back to teaching is it an income thing perhaps ?

Absolutely; and I paid for a whole term of proper international school learning for my son.

[robblok]

Just now, brewsterbudgen said:

Absolutely; and I paid for a whole term of proper international school learning for my son.

So you wanting to open is based on income, i suspected such a thing given how you wanted to open up all the time the moment you saw a slight improvement like you needed a excuse. 

 

I get it once money is at stake people don't look objectively just like those who like bars a lot are no longer objective about the risks.

 

Can't say i don't understand but does not mean i agree with you.

 

 

[tingtong]

4 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Kids most certainly can transmit the virus, and since they all would come together at the schools and kindergartens, would then take it out into the city. 

Any kid may hug it's mother straight back from the market. 

 

Here is the catch: right now the standing that fully vaccinated ppl can also transmit the virus.

 

Will some point start to live life again?

 

 

 

[robblok]

8 minutes ago, tingtong said:

 

Here is the catch: right now the standing that fully vaccinated ppl can also transmit the virus.

 

Will some point start to live life again?

 

 

 

Here is the comment on your catch, they can transmit but less so. Every country that has mass vaccinations with good vaccines sees improvent. My country is opening up hospital admissions down transmissions down all good signs.

So we can live again when we got a lot of people vaccinated. Think in about 4-5 months. So hang in there a bit longer. 

[James105]

 

 

1 hour ago, robblok said:

Because of the restrictions hospitals have not been overrun. We seen what happened. Kids can learn online been done in my country. Its just that a lot of parents don't want to do it too much extra work for them. Bit selfish actually wanting to force teachers to work and risk others because they don't want to put in the extra effort.

 

 

Restrictions get a lot of unjustified credit and never have to take any blame when they don't work.    I wish I could be reborn as a restriction, life would be so easy.    

 

Anyway, restrictions are hardly working.    The virus is spreading in factories and in social gatherings - secret social gatherings in unventilated condos, simply because all the open air, well ventilated bars have been forced to close, along with a ban on drinking on the very well ventilated beaches where the virus does not spread.    Not much can be done about the factories, but if well ventilated, open air bars were open and people could drink on the beach it would at least prevent the spread from these secret gatherings.    

[brewsterbudgen]

13 minutes ago, robblok said:

So you wanting to open is based on income, i suspected such a thing given how you wanted to open up all the time the moment you saw a slight improvement like you needed a excuse. 

 

I get it once money is at stake people don't look objectively just like those who like bars a lot are no longer objective about the risks.

 

Can't say i don't understand but does not mean i agree with you.

 

 

Supporting my family is paramount; and ensuring that my kid gets the best education he can. 

 

Nobody has to agree with each other. That's the point of the Forum.  I would feel differently if I were wealthier and didn't have a child.

Edited June 11, 2021 by brewsterbudgen

[robblok]

1 minute ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Supporting my family is paramount; and ensuring that my kid gets the best education he can. 

 

Nobody has to agree with each other. That's the point of the Forum.  I would feel differently if I were wealthier and didn't have a child.

Well said did not say we had to agree, but i understand your reasons. 

[tingtong]

1 minute ago, robblok said:

Here is the comment on your catch, they can transmit but less so. Every country that has mass vaccinations with good vaccines sees improvent. My country is opening up hospital admissions down transmissions down all good signs.

So we can live again when we got a lot of people vaccinated. Think in about 4-5 months. So hang in there a bit longer. 

 

True.

Less.

Also true that kids, especially bellow age 15, aren't get vaccinated anywhere!

 

As for the mass vaccination, if target 30 million where about 50% vaccinated the transmission start to drop off seriously,

The current approx 300k a day, 2 jobs will take no less than about 7 months...

But every country knows the vaccination curve start to flatten out quickly from the early spike up...so give it a year ...Mid-2022. 

 

Would you propose every kid lose s full year?

Bcos seen my son's online education last year, it is worthless...

 

 

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

 

 

 

Restrictions get a lot of unjustified credit and never have to take any blame when they don't work.    I wish I could be reborn as a restriction, life would be so easy.    

 

Anyway, restrictions are hardly working.    The virus is spreading in factories and in social gatherings - secret social gatherings in unventilated condos, simply because all the open air, well ventilated bars have been forced to close, along with a ban on drinking on the very well ventilated beaches where the virus does not spread.    Not much can be done about the factories, but if well ventilated, open air bars were open and people could drink on the beach it would at least prevent the spread from these secret gatherings.    

Everytime its about the drink shows me what kind of person the poster is.

 

Everywhere they closed bars and everywhere punters are discrediting this and making light of the situation. 

 

The virus would be spreading far faster if bars were open and we all know it its how the 3rd wave started and spread. So there is no denying. People who drink forget about rules and social distancing and then can catch it in the open air too. Just imagine bar girls spreading it around. 

 

I know that for the people who are here to party the restrictions hit double hard as for those who are not so it makes sense that these people moan the loudest.

[robblok]

3 minutes ago, tingtong said:

 

True.

Less.

Also true that kids, especially bellow age 15, aren't get vaccinated anywhere!

 

As for the mass vaccination, if target 30 million where about 50% vaccinated the transmission start to drop off seriously,

The current approx 300k a day, 2 jobs will take no less than about 7 months...

But every country knows the vaccination curve start to flatten out quickly from the early spike up...so give it a year ...Mid-2022. 

 

Would you propose every kid lose s full year?

Bcos seen my son's online education last year, it is worthless...

 

 

I would help my kid with its studies (but that is of course hard for you as your not a Thai)

My SIL in the Netherlands helped her daughter with her online studies she did not miss much (sure contact) but not on education. But it was for a large part because of the extra effort of my SIL. I do believe that online can be inferior for sure especially in Thailand. 

 

Your not completely true about kids below 15 in germany they want it 

https://www.dw.com/en/covid-germanys-merkel-wants-vaccines-for-children-aged-12-to-15/a-57685017

[James105]

2 minutes ago, robblok said:

Everytime its about the drink shows me what kind of person the poster is.

 

Everywhere they closed bars and everywhere punters are discrediting this and making light of the situation. 

 

The virus would be spreading far faster if bars were open and we all know it its how the 3rd wave started and spread. So there is no denying. People who drink forget about rules and social distancing and then can catch it in the open air too. Just imagine bar girls spreading it around. 

 

I know that for the people who are here to party the restrictions hit double hard as for those who are not so it makes sense that these people moan the loudest.

 

You clearly didn't read what I said.   Are you naive enough to believe that just because the bars are closed that people do not still get together and socialise/drink together?   And when they do have a drink together, because of the restrictions they have to do it in secret, typically in small unventilated condos.    Perfect conditions for the virus to spread.    Thailand is blessed with an abundance of nice weather which makes doing this viable outdoors.    The virus does not spread outdoors, or it is very low risk.

 

So if you accept the premise that people are going to get together and have a drink regardless of what rules you impose (they will), where do you think the virus will spread faster:  

 

a) Outdoor, controlled, well ventilated bars and restaurants

b) Parties in unventilated, uncontrolled condos

 

I know it feels counter intuitive, but it is just common sense.    Your restrictions would work well in a lab, but they just do not work in the real world when you factor in human behaviour as for 99% of people this virus is just not scary enough to avoid social interactions with others.    If you let them do it in controlled outdoor spaces they will not be forced to do it in secret condo parties.  

[LazySlipper]

4 hours ago, sungod said:

I would have no issue if I was a teacher.

 

All the teachers I talk to want to get back in the classroom, not stick with online learning. I guess you are a little out of touch with your old profession these days.

 

Yeah... it would be good for the kids to have a young incompetent and otherwise unknowledgeable wanna be in front of the class...

 

BTW I am sure you have a great circle of friends who are teachers... or maybe invisible friends... 

[robblok]

9 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

You clearly didn't read what I said.   Are you naive enough to believe that just because the bars are closed that people do not still get together and socialise/drink together?   And when they do have a drink together, because of the restrictions they have to do it in secret, typically in small unventilated condos.    Perfect conditions for the virus to spread.    Thailand is blessed with an abundance of nice weather which makes doing this viable outdoors.    The virus does not spread outdoors, or it is very low risk.

 

So if you accept the premise that people are going to get together and have a drink regardless of what rules you impose (they will), where do you think the virus will spread faster:  

 

a) Outdoor, controlled, well ventilated bars and restaurants

b) Parties in unventilated, uncontrolled condos

 

I know it feels counter intuitive, but it is just common sense.    Your restrictions would work well in a lab, but they just do not work in the real world when you factor in human behaviour as for 99% of people this virus is just not scary enough to avoid social interactions with others.    If you let them do it in controlled outdoor spaces they will not be forced to do it in secret condo parties.  

You forget one major thing, the crowd that goes to bars is far more varied then people coming together at friends. So the second is far less risky. Besides people comming together was going on before too so its not an real big increase in interactions.

 

I know you like to make a point for bars opening but its just faulty. If you open bars you get a far bigger amount of mixed contacts then the contacts that you now get from friends who get together. Just imagine a bar girl with covid going from customer to customer. When you go with friends to a place you have a far better clue about risks and if something happens contact tracing is far easier.

 

 

[robblok]

Just now, LazySlipper said:

 

Yeah... it would be good for the kids to have a young incompetent and otherwise unknowledgeable wanna be in front of the class...

 

BTW I am sure you have a great circle of friends who are teachers... or maybe invisible friends... 

Teachers in the Netherlands don't want to open up yet (some do some dont) so its not as if all teachers want to open up. Quite a bit resistance in the Netherlands. So i believe you when you say there are plenty of teachers who don't want to open. I am sure there are also those who want to open up. Especially those who don't get paid as much now. 

[polpott]

22 hours ago, skorp13 said:

Once again paying for something we don't receive as i think any refunds will be minimal at best and not pro-rated.

Kids are the least likely to contract or spread the virus yet they continue to suffer as does the lacking education system overall.

All the mitigatory efforts when the schools were open were ok as long as there was no virus but now that there is.....it isn't. Shows yet another dog and pony act when those supposedly in charge don't have the foggiest idea what in the world they are doing

My son's school wanted the fees for the next term. knowing something like this would happen, I told them that I would pay the day he actually starts school. In response, they asked me for 4k baht for "online learning" which was an unmitigated shambles during the last lockdown and are unable to show me any semblance of a curriculum for this proposed online learning. Thai school directors/owners are amongst the worst scam artists in Thailand - beware.

[sungod]

26 minutes ago, LazySlipper said:

 

Yeah... it would be good for the kids to have a young incompetent and otherwise unknowledgeable wanna be in front of the class...

 

BTW I am sure you have a great circle of friends who are teachers... or maybe invisible friends... 

I was right, you are out of touch, and far too sensitive.

Edited June 11, 2021 by sungod

[RichardColeman]

On 6/10/2021 at 2:35 AM, webfact said:

The executive head of provincial administration in the province of Chonburi (that includes Pattaya) said that all schools there will remain closed until further notice.

Wonder how many families will now refuse to pay more school fees until children physically actually go back. Looking like a whole term of fees but no actual attendance !

[Leaver]

6 hours ago, sungod said:

 

You defy all logic.

 

What about man goes to market gets covid, then goes to work at a factory and infects hundred? Do we close all the markets down too?

 

I guess you dont have kids.

 

Are there 30 people in a small room at the market?

 

It's all about stopping unnecessary close contacts.  Food is necessary, thus the market stays open.

 

I guess you think they should open nightclubs, but only if they have 30 people.  ????  

[Leaver]

5 hours ago, HashBrownHarry said:

So what's your solution, no one ever goes out agan until every single person has been vaccinated with something that's only 95% effective?

 

The solution depends on a lot of variables. Eg. how many cases, how deadly the virus is, how the virus spreads etc.  (I mean any virus, not just covid)

 

Obviously, people need food or they die, so supermarkets must remain open.  Do they need beer or they die, no.  So bars close.  

 

Can kids survive without school for a few months, yes, so close the schools.