Senior doctor warns Sinovac should not be considered for Phuket sandbox

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By Cod Satrusayang

 

Travelers who have been vaccinated with Sinovac should not be allowed to participate in Thailand’s ‘Phuket Sandbox’ program, a senior doctor told Thai Enquirer on Tuesday.

 

The Phuket Sandbox is due to open on July 1 and will be a major milestone in the government’s quest to reopen the country by October.

 

As it stands, tourists that have been vaccinated with AstraZeneca, Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, Sinovac, and Sinopharm vaccines will be allowed to enter Phuket freely.

 

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Full story: https://www.thaienquirer.com/28837/senior-doctor-warns-sinovac-should-not-be-considered-for-phuket-sandbox/

 

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[nausea]

To sum up: “The studies are pretty conclusive, this vaccine does nothing to prevent the spread of the Delta variant of the virus,” the doctor told Thai Enquirer on condition of anonymity.

[ezzra]

"Senior doctor"... it seems that anyone who has an opinion and diploma is labeled senior doctor and give forum to sound his two bits input to confuse a massed up situation even further...

[ftpjtm]

I can't seem to remember. 

 

Which vaccine is Phuket using to vaccinate the majority of its residents ????

[smedly]

Beta-variant cluster spreads to 12 provinces - Thai Enquirer

[Somtamnication]

This is not going to end well!

[nkg]

1 hour ago, ezzra said:

"Senior doctor"... it seems that anyone who has an opinion and diploma is labeled senior doctor and give forum to sound his two bits input to confuse a massed up situation even further...

 

Good spot, ezzra.

 

Apart from Chinese tourists (who aren't coming this year), there will be very few Sinovac-vaccinated tourists, making this story a little irrelevant.

[JimHuaHin]

1 hour ago, ezzra said:

"Senior doctor"... it seems that anyone who has an opinion and diploma is labeled senior doctor and give forum to sound his two bits input to confuse a massed up situation even further...

 

It is ashame that many foreigners in Thailand fail to comprehend, or fail to take the time to try to understand, how the "system" works in Thailand - the "system" does work and it does work effectively.  Powerful, or "influential", families have ways of getting what they want.  One of these "methods" involves "controlling" (as much as possible) the public discourse.  Some people maybe "encouraged" to make certain public statements - if such "cooperation" is not forthcoming, there maybe "consequences" for the individual and/or their family.

[klauskunkel]

2 hours ago, nausea said:

To sum up: “The studies are pretty conclusive, this vaccine does nothing to prevent the spread of the Delta variant of the virus,” the doctor told Thai Enquirer on condition of anonymity.

anonymous senior doctor, doesn't want to get threatening phone calls.

[wasabi]

With Chinese vaccines increasingly showing poor efficacy and Thailand having bet the farm on these true reopening may not occur till well into 2022 since everyone may need to either receive numerous boosters to compensate for their weak effect or invest in more effective choices.

 

They relied on Chinese vaccines. Now they’re battling outbreaks. | The Seattle Times

[ryane66]

1 hour ago, nkg said:

 

Good spot, ezzra.

 

Apart from Chinese tourists (who aren't coming this year), there will be very few Sinovac-vaccinated tourists, making this story a little irrelevant.

And how many of the residents and workers in Phucket were vacinated with Sinovac?

 

[dlclark97]

So, tourists vaccinated with Sinovac should not be allowed to participate in Phuket Sandbox fiasco.  But, it's OK that the majority of Phuket residents have been 'vaccinated' and many with only the first Sinovac shot.  Sorry for Phuket and Thailand as a whole but this is likely a disaster waiting to happen.  Just as Songkran appears to have done, the Phuket Sandbox venture is likely to be the source for further and more serious infections that may spread across Thailand and even to other countries.  Even China just announced its borders are to remain closed for another year.  

[hotchilli]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

Travelers who have been vaccinated with Sinovac should not be allowed to participate in Thailand’s ‘Phuket Sandbox’ program, a senior doctor told Thai Enquirer on Tuesday.

But it's fine for the locals?

[DirtyHarry55]

Didn't they vaccinate like 70% of the Island with Sinovac Placebo

And didn't Chulalongkorn University claim Sinovac was highly effective??

Hopefully they haven't destroyed their reputations.
Don't worry recommending a 4rd booster shot with something that works they will be able to save face.

Edited June 23, 2021 by DirtyHarry55

[Ireland32]

Finally some sense , Indonesia is undergoing Covid Infections, Costa Rica just refused it , it’s <deleted> 

[chuang]

20 hours ago, nausea said:

To sum up: “The studies are pretty conclusive, this vaccine does nothing to prevent the spread of the Delta variant of the virus,” the doctor told Thai Enquirer on condition of anonymity.

If it is not approved for use by the SINGAPORE GOVERNMENT.... it's not safe...

[bkk6060]

15 minutes ago, chuang said:

If it is not approved for use by the SINGAPORE GOVERNMENT.... it's not safe...

Well, then I guess it is safe..

 

From BP

SINGAPORE: Offering Sinovac Biotech Covid-19 vaccines to the public in Singapore for the first time since Friday, several private clinics reported overwhelming demand for the Chinese-made shot, despite already available rival vaccines having far higher efficacy.

[wasabi]

50 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

Well, then I guess it is safe..

 

From BP

SINGAPORE: Offering Sinovac Biotech Covid-19 vaccines to the public in Singapore for the first time since Friday, several private clinics reported overwhelming demand for the Chinese-made shot, despite already available rival vaccines having far higher efficacy.

 

Singapore is in a similar position as Thailand where they don't want to offend Thailand, but if you dig a little deeper you'll see they encourage people not to use the Sinovac vaccine. That headline was probably propaganda just for China or as the second link indicates Chinese nationals who need to use it to return home.

 

Why Sinovac Isn’t Part of Singapore’s National Vaccine Campaign, Explained. - Kopi (thekopi.co)

 

Singapore sees early rush for Sinovac vaccine | Reuters

 

Evidence from other countries showed people who had taken the Sinovac vaccine were still getting infected, Kenneth Mak, Singapore's director of medical services, said on Friday. "There is a significant risk of vaccine breakthrough," he said, referring to the report on Indonesian healthcare workers.

 

A number of the people rushing for the Sinovac shot on the first day of its availability in Singapore were Chinese nationals, who felt it would make it easier to travel home without going through quarantine.

 

The fact it is not part of their national program tells you what you need to know.

 

"Singapore said it is awaiting critical data from Sinovac before including it in the national vaccination programme."

Edited June 23, 2021 by wasabi

[JonnyF]

4 hours ago, hotchilli said:

But it's fine for the locals?

 

That was also my first thought. They're happy to put foreigners at risk of mixing with the Sinovac protected local community. But the local community shouldn't be exposed to the dangers of Sinovac protected foreigners?

 

Hardly surprising though. We've all seen the double standards that Thailand applies to "Thai people" compared to the pesky foreigners.

 

Double standards, double pricing, double jabs etc. 

[connda]

I wonder which Western NGO this doctor is associated with?

[Caldera]

He's telling them this NOW, after most of the island's residents have been vaccinated with Sinovac?

 

Denying entry to foreigners who have been vaccinated with Sinovac is very well, but what about the locals? And what about domestic tourists, who have often also been vaccinated with Sinovac? A major Delta cluster-f is about to happen.

[Mavideol]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

Travelers who have been vaccinated with Sinovac should not be allowed to participate in Thailand’s ‘Phuket Sandbox’ program, a senior doctor told Thai Enquirer on Tuesday.

 

8 hours ago, webfact said:

As it stands, tourists that have been vaccinated with AstraZeneca, Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, Sinovac, and Sinopharm vaccines will be allowed to enter Phuket freely.

what's wrong here, contradictory information and nobody checked it .... top says if had Sinovac can not enter and below says if had Sinovac can enter, which one is it, the shoes or the feet

[Mavideol]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

Travelers who have been vaccinated with Sinovac should not be allowed to participate in Thailand’s ‘Phuket Sandbox’ program, a senior doctor told Thai Enquirer on Tuesday.

Thailand should have acted and removed that vaccine some time ago, all the arrows were pointing to poor or bad efficiency on Sinovac vaccine, every day there are reports about it's non performance

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/22/business/economy/china-vaccines-covid-outbreak.html

They Relied on Chinese Vaccines. Now They’re Battling Outbreaks.

[chilli42]

17 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

Thailand should have acted and removed that vaccine some time ago, all the arrows were pointing to poor or bad efficiency on Sinovac vaccine, every day there are reports about it's non performance

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/22/business/economy/china-vaccines-covid-outbreak.html

They Relied on Chinese Vaccines. Now They’re Battling Outbreaks.

You are correct, they should not have gone down that road.  Though from a political standpoint they likely felt they had no choice after screwing up procurement. They placed their bet in Thai citizens not being sophisticated enough to discern SinoVac was not effective.  People want vaccines, we give them vaccines - it was expedient and irresponsible.

[Mavideol]

7 minutes ago, chilli42 said:

You are correct, they should not have gone down that road.  Though from a political standpoint they likely felt they had no choice after screwing up procurement. They placed their bet in Thai citizens not being sophisticated enough to discern SinoVac was not effective.  People want vaccines, we give them vaccines - it was expedient and irresponsible.

yeah correct, reminds me of their similar approach to tourism, Thai government has hard time differentiating between quantity vs quality, they usually select the first 555

[DavisH]

8 hours ago, ezzra said:

"Senior doctor"... it seems that anyone who has an opinion and diploma is labeled senior doctor and give forum to sound his two bits input to confuse a massed up situation even further...

Be nice...give them their 15 mins:)

[mancub]

38 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

 

what's wrong here, contradictory information and nobody checked it .... top says if had Sinovac can not enter and below says if had Sinovac can enter, which one is it, the shoes or the feet

Future and present tenses can often be confusing eh?  

[Dogmatix]

Clearly large sums of money have been made from importing Sinovac at a hugely inflated price, not to mention CP's 15% ownership of the company, while the government steadfastly refused to allow any orders for Pfizer and Moderna at the same price. The fact that Sinovac doesn't work against the delta variant and probably also the beta spread up from the South may be considered only a minor issue for the time being. 

 

The problem will come to the fore when health professionals start finding that their Chinese vaccinations are not stopping them from coming down with the virus.  The same must apply to the Sinopharm imported by CRA.

[PETERTHEEATER]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

As it stands, tourists that have been vaccinated with AstraZeneca, Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, Sinovac, and Sinopharm vaccines will be allowed to enter Phuket freely.

Freely? Just turn up with no restrictions imposed? 

[RichardColeman]

sounds like 140,000 Chileans are about to have their Phuket holiday hopes dashed !