Thailand reports 13,821 new COVID-19 cases and 241 more deaths

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, anchadian said:

(Google translate although the Thai year is 2564)

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/phuketinfocenter/posts/381373433517839

Positivity rate of 6% then for ATK's in August through to 6th Sept

 

Cumulative ATK results (since Aug 1, 1964)
???? "Phuket Province" made the most proactive inspection
???? 38,907 examined
➖ 36,534 negative
➕ Postive 2,373
.
???? Information as of 6 Sept. 20

[drenddy]

5 minutes ago, daveAustin said:

Indeed. That’s the nub of it. Those saying Thailand’s numbers are low compared with western nations (that includes myopic government) only go by figures released and not the percentages, oddly failing to take into consideration testing rate etc. Test a million a day instead of sub-50000 (rolls eyes), what will you get?

It is somehow to be expected, that positivity rate is high, if you only test people with symptoms, walk-ins or close contacts.

If you test the general population, yes, you will find many more positives, but positivity rate would be lower as well.

 

I remember, here in Denmark, they went nuts last December when positivity rate was near 5 %...All doom and gloom, total lockdown.

 

 

Edited September 7, 2021 by drenddy

[Bkk Brian]

A study from China, confirming no neutralising antibodies against Delta were found six months after second shot.

 

Sinovac booster shot reverses drop in antibody activities against Covid-19 Delta variant: Study

 

BEIJING (REUTERS) - A booster dose of Sinovac Biotech's Covid-19 vaccine reversed a decline in antibody activities against the Delta variant, a study showed, easing some concerns about its longer-term immune response to the highly contagious strain of the virus.

 

Neutralising antibody activities against Delta were not detected in samples taken from vaccine recipients six months after they received the second dose of Sinovac's CoronaVac vaccine, according to the study published on Sunday (Sept 5) before a peer review.

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/sinovac-booster-shot-reverses-drop-in-antibody-activities-against-covid-19-delta

[anchadian]

Southeast Asia saw an increase in Covid-19-related deaths on Monday despite a decline in new cases for the second consecutive day, collated data showed. #Asean #COVID19 #TheNationThailand

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/international/40005806

[LosLobo]

42 minutes ago, James105 said:

Spreading should be expected though as none of the vaccines can prevent this.   The crucial question is it vaccinated or unvaccinated people dying and/or in hospital there?   Do we know? 

Vaccines cannot prevent transmission. Really?

 

I wait with anticipation for you to provide evidence to support your claim.

[club]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

A study from China, confirming no neutralising antibodies against Delta were found six months after second shot.

 

Sinovac booster shot reverses drop in antibody activities against Covid-19 Delta variant: Study

 

BEIJING (REUTERS) - A booster dose of Sinovac Biotech's Covid-19 vaccine reversed a decline in antibody activities against the Delta variant, a study showed, easing some concerns about its longer-term immune response to the highly contagious strain of the virus.

 

Neutralising antibody activities against Delta were not detected in samples taken from vaccine recipients six months after they received the second dose of Sinovac's CoronaVac vaccine, according to the study published on Sunday (Sept 5) before a peer review.

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/sinovac-booster-shot-reverses-drop-in-antibody-activities-against-covid-19-delta

The real test will be , how long does the booster work and do you gradually loose antibodies after the booster Jab? Like you do with the first 2 jabs 

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Vaccines cannot prevent transmission. Really?

 

I wait with anticipation for you to provide evidence to support your claim.

Its common knowledge , vaccines do not stop you catching Covid /spreading it, it just makes you get less sick than if you were not vaccinated . 

   You can still catch Covid and die, even after being vaccinated 

[James105]

5 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Vaccines cannot prevent transmission. Really?

 

I wait with anticipation for you to provide evidence to support your claim.

We are 18 months into the pandemic and this still comes as a surprise to you?   Try the CDC brief for size and see if this one works for you, if not there are many, many others.   

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html

 

[LosLobo]

3 minutes ago, James105 said:

We are 18 months into the pandemic and this still comes as a surprise to you?   Try the CDC brief for size and see if this one works for you, if not there are many, many others.   

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html

 

Maybe you can quote the part where it says vaccines cannot prevent transmission?

[Macrohistory]

4 minutes ago, James105 said:

We are 18 months into the pandemic and this still comes as a surprise to you?   Try the CDC brief for size and see if this one works for you, if not there are many, many others.   

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html

 

 

Try to keep up:

 

Popular Science

 

Breakthrough cases won’t stop vaccines from ending the pandemic

BY KATE BAGGALEY | UPDATED AUG 27, 2021 6:01 AM

 

"...another recent report suggests that vaccinated people who catch COVID-19 are less infectious than the unvaccinated. Researchers found that viruses sampled from vaccinated people replicated less efficiently than viruses from unvaccinated people. The findings, which haven’t yet undergone peer review, could mean that people who develop breakthrough cases don’t “shed” as much virus as unvaccinated people who catch COVID-19..."

 

https://www.popsci.com/health/breakthrough-cases-wont-stop-pandemic/

 

[ThailandRyan]

3 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Maybe you can quote the part where it says vaccines cannot prevent transmission?

They don't stop transmission, they just reduce the possibility, but it can still happen.

• A growing body of evidence indicates that people fully vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna) are less likely than unvaccinated persons to acquire SARS-CoV-2 or to transmit it to others. However, the risk for SARS-CoV-2 breakthrough infection in fully vaccinated people cannot be completely eliminated as long as there is continued community transmission of the virus.

[James105]

5 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Maybe you can quote the part where it says vaccines cannot prevent transmission?

Seriously?   

• A growing body of evidence indicates that people fully vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna) are less likely than unvaccinated persons to acquire SARS-CoV-2 or to transmit it to others. However, the risk for SARS-CoV-2 breakthrough infection in fully vaccinated people cannot be completely eliminated as long as there is continued community transmission of the virus

 

 

[LosLobo]

3 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

They don't stop transmission, they just reduce the possibility, but it can still happen.

• A growing body of evidence indicates that people fully vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna) are less likely than unvaccinated persons to acquire SARS-CoV-2 or to transmit it to others. However, the risk for SARS-CoV-2 breakthrough infection in fully vaccinated people cannot be completely eliminated as long as there is continued community transmission of the virus.

So vaccines can prevent the possibility of transmission. 

[James105]

9 minutes ago, Macrohistory said:

 

Try to keep up:

 

Popular Science

 

Breakthrough cases won’t stop vaccines from ending the pandemic

BY KATE BAGGALEY | UPDATED AUG 27, 2021 6:01 AM

 

"...another recent report suggests that vaccinated people who catch COVID-19 are less infectious than the unvaccinated. Researchers found that viruses sampled from vaccinated people replicated less efficiently than viruses from unvaccinated people. The findings, which haven’t yet undergone peer review, could mean that people who develop breakthrough cases don’t “shed” as much virus as unvaccinated people who catch COVID-19..."

 

https://www.popsci.com/health/breakthrough-cases-wont-stop-pandemic/

 

Your article agrees that the vaccine does not prevent transmission.    I think you are confused about what "less infectious" means.   

[James105]

4 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

So vaccines can prevent the possibility of transmission. 

No, it means this:

A growing body of evidence indicates that people fully vaccinated are less likely than unvaccinated persons to acquire SARS-CoV-2 or to transmit it to others

[worrab]

11 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Maybe you can quote the part where it says vaccines cannot prevent transmission?

"Substantial reductions in SARS-CoV-2 infections (both symptomatic and asymptomatic) will reduce overall levels of disease, and therefore, viral transmission in the United States. However, investigations are ongoing to assess further the risk of transmission from fully vaccinated persons with breakthrough infections."

 

[GroveHillWanderer]

5 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

They don't stop transmission, they just reduce the possibility, but it can still happen.

• A growing body of evidence indicates that people fully vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna) are less likely than unvaccinated persons to acquire SARS-CoV-2 or to transmit it to others. However, the risk for SARS-CoV-2 breakthrough infection in fully vaccinated people cannot be completely eliminated as long as there is continued community transmission of the virus.

Yes, so the statement that was being challenged, and which said that vaccines cannot prevent transmission, is incorrect. They can prevent transmission, they're just not 100% guaranteed to do so in all cases.

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, James105 said:

Spreading should be expected though as none of the vaccines can prevent this.   The crucial question is it vaccinated or unvaccinated people dying and/or in hospital there?   Do we know? 

I think your statement "Spreading should be expected though as none of the vaccines can prevent this"  is somewhat misleading.

 

No vaccine for any disease stops infection, transmission, symptoms, hospitalization and sometimes death, 100% of the time and has never been a vaccine's raison d'être.

 

Vaccines have always protected against disease in varying degrees at various stages.

 

And that applies to COVID vaccines.

 

The bottom line is that the COVID vaccine can stop people catching COVID, even the Delta variant.

[LosLobo]

2 minutes ago, James105 said:

No, it means this:

A growing body of evidence indicates that people fully vaccinated are less likely than unvaccinated persons to acquire SARS-CoV-2 or to transmit it to others

So you now agree vaccines can prevent transmission!

[Scrotobike]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Just when I thought we would have a gap of a few days another death brings it to 8 dead in just 3 days in Phuket, where the health authorities there said yesterday that Sinovac is not able to stop the spread there.

"the health authorities there said yesterday that Sinovac is not able to stop the spread" - That will make the CCP unhappy, but finally the truth!

[Macrohistory]

3 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

I think your statement "Spreading should be expected though as none of the vaccines can prevent this"  is somewhat misleading.

 

No vaccine for any disease stops infection, transmission, symptoms, hospitalization and sometimes death, 100% of the time and has never been a vaccine's raison d'être.

 

Vaccines have always protected against disease in varying degrees at various stages.

 

And that applies to COVID vaccines.

 

The bottom line is that the COVID vaccine can stop people catching COVID, even the Delta variant.

 

You're being nice to him when you write "somewhat misleading."  As usual with the covid-denying brigade, he offered an oversimplified, distorted interpretation of reality.  You responded with a nuanced correction and he still doesn't realize he was wrong.

 

[James105]

Just now, LosLobo said:

So you now agree vaccines can prevent transmission!

Only in the same way that a lock can "prevent" a determined burglar from entering your home, which in normal English means that a lock cannot "prevent" a burglar from entering your home.      

[GroveHillWanderer]

49 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Actually, they do. Deaths lag new infections by some days.

In fact they can lag by two weeks or more.

 

According to the article below from the Telegraph:

 

Quote

Study of patients in China shows median time to discharge was 22 days while average time to death was 18.5 days.

Coronavirus kills in an average of 18 days

[ThailandRyan]

1 minute ago, Scrotobike said:

"the health authorities there said yesterday that Sinovac is not able to stop the spread" - That will make the CCP unhappy, but finally the truth!

Yet the CCP in another OP was very upset and insisted that the stories being spread were false....hmmm, oh who to believe, less efficacy or greater efficacy, sounds wishy washy at best to me.

[anchadian]

Don Mueang International Airport estimates 30,000 to 40,000 passengers per day during the high season at the year-end after air travel restrictions were lifted earlier this month

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40005807

[Kadilo]

5 minutes ago, Macrohistory said:

 

You're being nice to him when you write "somewhat misleading."  As usual with the covid-denying brigade, he offered an oversimplified, distorted interpretation of reality.  You responded with a nuanced correction and he still doesn't realize he was wrong.

 

That’s strange. He replied with the exact same extract as Thailand Ryan.
 

Is he now also part of the ‘COVID-denying brigade offering oversimplified, distorted interpretation of reality’ ?

Edited September 7, 2021 by Kadilo

[Scrotobike]

57 minutes ago, anchadian said:

 

So proactive testing means 6.5% 0f random people are infected. So extrapolate this - of the 70M in Thailand 4.5m have Covid. The genrral reports currently about 100K? BIG GAP!

[Olmate]

3 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

That’s strange. He replied with the exact same extract as Thailand Ryan. 

Beauty in the eye of the.... 

[Scrotobike]

6 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

In fact they can lag by two weeks or more.

 

According to the article below from the Telegraph:

 

Coronavirus kills in an average of 18 days

Study

China

Truth

 

The third is always missing

[Scrotobike]

16 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Yes, so the statement that was being challenged, and which said that vaccines cannot prevent transmission, is incorrect. They can prevent transmission, they're just not 100% guaranteed to do so in all cases.

As with a mask, a distance, an amulet - look a vaccine does not prevent transmission - just helps to prevent it.