Brazil's tragic ivermectin frenzy is a warning to the US, experts say

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

placeholder: its clear from my stats that ALL these specified “developing” countries have (politically) falsified their covid death rates to almost exactly match death rates in developed nations, i.e. around the 0.025% mark.Except China who have opted / suceeded to completely conceal their true figures from all. Just try finding anything on the internet.Nothing but their stupid 4,636 deaths figure……..

Their true covid death rates, with Delta rampant, with their inferior vax / vax programs, with their awful health,housing,  poverty & congestion, I’ m guessing, must be at least 3-4 times western covid deaths,off the charts & through the ceiling…..this will emerge in several years and topple govts, including CCP, I hope.

 

China cracked down hard on covid. They've been through this before and knew what to do. Unlike most western countries where politics got in the way of appropriate measures. The US is a glaring example of this.

 

When a few cases were detected, they'd shut the entire city down and test millions in a matter of days.

 

Covid cases and death rates are under counted in every country.

[WhiteBuffaloATM]

they didnt crack down on the 70 million Chinese New Year Travellers deliberately unleashed from China on the world in Feb 2020. thats more than UK pop.  how many of those came back home to die I wonder,.

4636 deaths has to be a massive lie.

[WhiteBuffaloATM]

your entire presumptive post is wrong.

you have no clue as to the nature of the beast do you ?

the only people speaking out in this context are dead or defected / hidden in the west.

story was , briefly, in one of the major uk papers, 

anyone can research it

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

they didnt crack down on the 70 million Chinese New Year Travellers deliberately unleashed from China on the world in Feb 2020. thats more than UK pop.  how many of those came back home to die I wonder,.

4636 deaths has to be a massive lie.

Agreed they hid this initially. But their lockdowns worked. No denying that.

 

I've got several friends working in China. No dead bodies filling the morgues like in the West. Where the fake news right wing media outlets denied the severity of the virus.

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

your entire presumptive post is wrong.

you have no clue as to the nature of the beast do you ?

the only people speaking out in this context are dead or defected / hidden in the west.

story was , briefly, in one of the major uk papers, 

anyone can research it

Give us a link.  Otherwise....

[Saanim]

20 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

 Brazil is far from the most vaccinated in the world. And many of the jabs were Chinese. Hardly effective.

Also the vaccines in Thailand almost all are Chinese. Are they also hardly effective?  

[cdemundo]

1 hour ago, Saanim said:

Also the vaccines in Thailand almost all are Chinese. Are they also hardly effective?  

Sinovac from WHO

https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/the-sinovac-covid-19-vaccine-what-you-need-to-know

"How efficacious is the vaccine?

A large phase 3 trial in Brazil showed that two doses, administered at an interval of 14 days, had an efficacy of 51% against symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection, 100% against severe COVID-19, and 100% against hospitalization starting 14 days after receiving the second dose."

 

51% efficacy means it reduces your chances of symptomatic disease by 51%, cuts your risk in half.

Nobody paid much attention to vaccine efficacy before COVID, the mRNA numbers of >90% efficacy raised expectations but as you can see from the numbers for protection against severe disease and hospitalization this vaccine gives significant protection.

 

You will see statements on TVF where people state that 51% efficacy means 49% of a group get disease, that is wrong.

 

[Saanim]

1 hour ago, cdemundo said:

51% efficacy means it reduces your chances of symptomatic disease by 51%, cuts your risk in half.

Nobody paid much attention to vaccine efficacy before COVID, the mRNA numbers of >90% efficacy raised expectations but as you can see from the numbers for protection against severe disease and hospitalization this vaccine gives significant protection.

"Significant protection"? So, how to understand that in USA with their high vaxx percentage is the death almost 10 times higher (per 1M population) than in Thailand? (as shown on https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries)

[Jeffr2]

2 hours ago, Saanim said:

Also the vaccines in Thailand almost all are Chinese. Are they also hardly effective?  

True. As proven by the deaths of many medical workers who were fully vaccinated with them. Sinovac isn't on the list of approved vaccines by many countries. For good reasons.

[Jeffr2]

11 minutes ago, Saanim said:

"Significant protection"? So, how to understand that in USA with their high vaxx percentage is the death almost 10 times higher (per 1M population) than in Thailand? (as shown on https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries)

Don't put so much faith in these numbers. Thailand readily admits their numbers are under counted.

[Saanim]

5 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Don't put so much faith in these numbers. Thailand readily admits their numbers are under counted.

While some figures may be also over counted.

[ozimoron]

21 minutes ago, Saanim said:

"Significant protection"? So, how to understand that in USA with their high vaxx percentage is the death almost 10 times higher (per 1M population) than in Thailand? (as shown on https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries)

Much stronger anti vax sentiment in the US than in Thailand and less willingness to wear masks. Thais, like all Asians, place a high value on social conformity and respect for others and are far more willing to make personal sacrifices for the greater good than many westerners who bleat about "loss of personal freedoms".

Edited October 7, 2021 by ozimoron

[LetsGoBrandon]

is ivermectin sold in Thailand at the likes of Boots and the small chemists?

[Jeffr2]

20 minutes ago, LetsGoBrandon said:

is ivermectin sold in Thailand at the likes of Boots and the small chemists?

No. But easy to get at animal feed stores.

[LetsGoBrandon]

Just now, Jeffr2 said:

No. But easy to get at animal feed stores.

But why would you do that when there is a version originally/specifically made for humans?

 

 

[Jeffr2]

26 minutes ago, LetsGoBrandon said:

But why would you do that when there is a version originally/specifically made for humans?

 

 

Because most pharmacists won't give out prescriptions for covid. So, nutters go to animal feed stores instead.

 

This drug doesn't work against covid. That's a proven fact.

[LetsGoBrandon]

52 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Because most pharmacists won't give out prescriptions for covid. So, nutters go to animal feed stores instead.

 

This drug doesn't work against covid. That's a proven fact.

These are low information people who buy the animal version and I feel sorry for them.

Ive never ever been asked for a prescription by any Thai chemist in Boots or the mom and pop

outfits...even tho I buy prescription meds... so this is news.

 

Re: Ivermectin effectiveness, no point getting into an argument about whether it works or not.

The responses vary depending on who you hear from....I like to hear from people who have actually taken

the correct version and dosage. Not interested in the views of media and "experts" as its never clear what their

ties are to Pharma.

 

[Jeffr2]

18 minutes ago, LetsGoBrandon said:

These are low information people who buy the animal version and I feel sorry for them.

Ive never ever been asked for a prescription by any Thai chemist in Boots or the mom and pop

outfits...even tho I buy prescription meds... so this is news.

 

Re: Ivermectin effectiveness, no point getting into an argument about whether it works or not.

The responses vary depending on who you hear from....I like to hear from people who have actually taken

the correct version and dosage. Not interested in the views of media and "experts" as its never clear what their

ties are to Pharma.

 

I've had to show prescriptions for a few drugs I use to get for my mother. These weren't available at mom and pop stores.

 

Sad times when people won't listen to experts, yet are ok with the misinformation on social media. Stunning.

[LetsGoBrandon]

1 minute ago, Jeffr2 said:

Sad times when people won't listen to experts, yet are ok with the misinformation on social media. Stunning.

Social media is full of misinformation....that cuts both ways BTW. It's largely anonymous trolls and even the verified ones have connections/vested interests they do not reveal. It is up to the consumer to sift the grain from the chaff.

 

Ive always been wary of doctors but these days I am on Defcon 1 with them.

Let me explain.

Recently, I accompanied a friend experiencing acute stomach pains to a specialist who poked his tummy a bit and said gall stones....then he immediately followed up by saying it would be better to remove his gall bladder. My friend said Im not too keen on getting my organs removed so can we 100% establish the cause first.

When the ultrasound came back, the doc scratched his head and said, I cant see any stones here, just some biliary sludge which is normal, so we can't really operate as there's nothing to remove. Of course....because his off the cuff diagnosis and recommendation was flawed.

 

I remember joking with my buddy later...I said did you notice how sad the docs face was when he realised he wouldn't be able to operate? Even his voice was full of regret....friend concurred and we had a laugh at the joker. Mind you, a lot of low info people who are trained to accept whatever someone in uniform says would have gladly had the operation without question.

 

So...just be careful out there folks.

[Nojohndoe]

33 minutes ago, LetsGoBrandon said:

These are low information people who buy the animal version and I feel sorry for them.

Ive never ever been asked for a prescription by any Thai chemist in Boots or the mom and pop

outfits...even tho I buy prescription meds... so this is news.

 

Re: Ivermectin effectiveness, no point getting into an argument about whether it works or not.

The responses vary depending on who you hear from....I like to hear from people who have actually taken

the correct version and dosage. Not interested in the views of media and "experts" as its never clear what their

ties are to Pharma.

 

If you try to find a definitive difference between animal vs human versions of ivermectin it is usually vague and diversional comment as to the question other than reference to/of establishing safe  dosages and inclusion of some non FDA approved compounds for humans in the different forms.

Having read a lot of the medical opinion I have personally concluded that using it for covid-19 has no genuine peer reviewed info that supports it's use for other than historic application.

A shame really because I have pottle containing about 80 tabs from 100 used to worm pigs . lol

 

 

[Jeffr2]

19 minutes ago, LetsGoBrandon said:

Social media is full of misinformation....that cuts both ways BTW. It's largely anonymous trolls and even the verified ones have connections/vested interests they do not reveal. It is up to the consumer to sift the grain from the chaff.

 

Ive always been wary of doctors but these days I am on Defcon 1 with them.

Let me explain.

Recently, I accompanied a friend experiencing acute stomach pains to a specialist who poked his tummy a bit and said gall stones....then he immediately followed up by saying it would be better to remove his gall bladder. My friend said Im not too keen on getting my organs removed so can we 100% establish the cause first.

When the ultrasound came back, the doc scratched his head and said, I cant see any stones here, just some biliary sludge which is normal, so we can't really operate as there's nothing to remove. Of course....because his off the cuff diagnosis and recommendation was flawed.

 

I remember joking with my buddy later...I said did you notice how sad the docs face was when he realised he wouldn't be able to operate? Even his voice was full of regret....friend concurred and we had a laugh at the joker. Mind you, a lot of low info people who are trained to accept whatever someone in uniform says would have gladly had the operation without question.

 

So...just be careful out there folks.

Not sure what you mean? I don’t get ANY information from social media, so not sure how it can cut both ways? 

 

The specifics of this drug are well known and well documented. It don’t work with covid. Maybe with horses, but not humans.

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[mikebike]

1 hour ago, LetsGoBrandon said:

Social media is full of misinformation....that cuts both ways BTW. It's largely anonymous trolls and even the verified ones have connections/vested interests they do not reveal. It is up to the consumer to sift the grain from the chaff.

 

Ive always been wary of doctors but these days I am on Defcon 1 with them.

Let me explain.

Recently, I accompanied a friend experiencing acute stomach pains to a specialist who poked his tummy a bit and said gall stones....then he immediately followed up by saying it would be better to remove his gall bladder. My friend said Im not too keen on getting my organs removed so can we 100% establish the cause first.

When the ultrasound came back, the doc scratched his head and said, I cant see any stones here, just some biliary sludge which is normal, so we can't really operate as there's nothing to remove. Of course....because his off the cuff diagnosis and recommendation was flawed.

 

I remember joking with my buddy later...I said did you notice how sad the docs face was when he realised he wouldn't be able to operate? Even his voice was full of regret....friend concurred and we had a laugh at the joker. Mind you, a lot of low info people who are trained to accept whatever someone in uniform says would have gladly had the operation without question.

 

So...just be careful out there folks.

You DO realize that doctors are people, right. Infallibility is not to be expected. What is to be expected is that the patient has the cognitive ability to request a second opinion in every case.

[Saanim]

Merck’s Covid-19 pill may be a game-changer, but questions are already being raised about cost

https://www.statnews.com/pharmalot/2021/10/04/covid19-merck-molnupiravir-ridgeback-patents/

 

Incidentally, Merck has been the company producing the Ivermectin over 30 years, approved by FDA, also for humans, after the invention by a Japanese doctor, followed by an Irish doctor with Merck. Now, the new product will cost multiple of the existing one (for humans). Not surprising what the rumours are.     

[mikebike]

6 minutes ago, Saanim said:

Merck’s Covid-19 pill may be a game-changer, but questions are already being raised about cost

https://www.statnews.com/pharmalot/2021/10/04/covid19-merck-molnupiravir-ridgeback-patents/

 

Incidentally, Merck has been the company producing the Ivermectin over 30 years, approved by FDA, also for humans, after the invention by a Japanese doctor, followed by an Irish doctor with Merck. Now, the new product will cost multiple of the existing one (for humans). Not surprising what the rumours are.     

Not surprising that peeps are basing thier opinions on rumours either... ????

[placeholder]

7 hours ago, Saanim said:

"Significant protection"? So, how to understand that in USA with their high vaxx percentage is the death almost 10 times higher (per 1M population) than in Thailand? (as shown on https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries)

How quickly they forget. It seems you don't recall that while Thailand has been enforcing strict mask and social distancing rules the former US president flouted such rules and encouraged followers to do the same. Ask Herman Cain about the consequences of that. Oh wait, you can't, he's dead.

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

“ An explosive story that none of the media have gotten wind of. Really?”

certainly a story the wonderful CNN would never cover……

just google “ wuhan urn ashes” for multiple media coverage….all from outside china of course… back in march 20, estimated 7k dead in Wuhan alone, now must be easily 20k with Delta/Sinovac v. low protection.

There must be around 150 Chinese cities around the size of Wuhan.

Do the math, possibly 2-3million dead in CCP land ? 

Kind of old news. From a year and a half ago.  And that's in Wuhan. Anything from this year? 

[placeholder]

2 hours ago, Saanim said:

Merck’s Covid-19 pill may be a game-changer, but questions are already being raised about cost

https://www.statnews.com/pharmalot/2021/10/04/covid19-merck-molnupiravir-ridgeback-patents/

 

Incidentally, Merck has been the company producing the Ivermectin over 30 years, approved by FDA, also for humans, after the invention by a Japanese doctor, followed by an Irish doctor with Merck. Now, the new product will cost multiple of the existing one (for humans). Not surprising what the rumours are.     

Ivermection is now a generic. Merck no longer has a lock on it.

[impulse]

I don't put anyone on "ignore", because I enjoy the entertainment value.

 

But if I did, the complete TVF narrative on Covid, vaccines, ivermectin, lockdowns, etc would change 100% if I put just 4 of them on "ignore".

 

Tens of thousands of members, with hundreds chiming in every day.  And 4 of them drive the narrative...  Absolutely convinced that they're right and that their sources are definitive, to the exclusion of everything else out there.  Like the tremendous Ivermectin success story being seen in India.

 

[Jeffr2]

8 minutes ago, impulse said:

I don't put anyone on "ignore", because I enjoy the entertainment value.

 

But if I did, the complete TVF narrative on Covid, vaccines, ivermectin, lockdowns, etc would change 100% if I put just 4 of them on "ignore".

 

Tens of thousands of members, with hundreds chiming in every day.  And 4 of them drive the narrative...  Absolutely convinced that they're right and that their sources are definitive, to the exclusion of everything else out there.  Like the tremendous Ivermectin success story being seen in India.

 

So says an admitted lover of conspiracy theories and dodgy media sites. Luckily there are a few of us here who follow the science and the facts.