Question About Tevez

[Izarus]

One thing about him interests him: If he is sold, who will get the money ? MSI/Joorabchian or West Ham ?

P.S. Delete my previous topic "Question about money", it was supposed to be "Question about Tevez"

[EastSaxCol]

One thing about him interests him: If he is sold, who will get the money ? MSI/Joorabchian or West Ham ?

P.S. Delete my previous topic "Question about money", it was supposed to be "Question about Tevez"

Joorabchian owns 85% and MSI, 15% as I understand it.

You may also be interested in reading this interview with Joorabchian himself.

http://jlmd.blogspot.com/2007/05/joorabchian-speaks.html

[Izarus]

After this interview, it seems that Tevez is on loan to West Ham. Bu is it possible to be on loan from a company ?

[EastSaxCol]

After this interview, it seems that Tevez is on loan to West Ham. Bu is it possible to be on loan from a company ?

I don't know about that. But it's Joorabchian who owns the major share and his company only 15%. There's nothing that's illegal about it or anything. It's all been gone through with a fine-tooth-comb no doubt.

[Izarus]

So who will get the money if he is sold ?

[EastSaxCol]

So who will get the money if he is sold ?

Joorabchian. Or Tevez may opt to be on lease , as it were, to West Ham for another season.

Here's praying.

[Izarus]

So tell me, because it looks like that I'm stupid :what's the type of this deal with Tevez ? Loan ? Permanent transfer ?

[EastSaxCol]

He's basically on loan, or lease to West Ham. But reading what Joorabchian has said we have the option of buying him - if Carlitos want's to stay. That's all about 50-50 at the moment. If the likes of Real Madrid come in with a bid of about 40ml then he'll most probably be sold without doubt because Tevez has stated that he want's to play at the very top level.

But yes, he's for all intents and purposes, he's on loan from his owner.

I don't think that Eggy will cough up the asking price , even if we could. Curbishley only has about 40ml as it stands and he's trying to buy at this time. As I've said, the best scenario from West Hams point of view is if we can hold on to him until at least January, better until the end of the season on loan from Joorabchian.

[Izarus]

Thanks for your help

[mariana]

He's basically on loan, or lease to West Ham. But reading what Joorabchian has said we have the option of buying him - if Carlitos want's to stay. That's all about 50-50 at the moment.

According to Carlitos , at the beginning the previous couch never gave him an oportunity but now he actually feel very well in the Westham and the Westham's fan are really great so i think that he want to stay in this team .

IMO Carlitos ,called 'El Apache' in Argentina, is a good player so he should stay there at least a couple of month to show what he can do .

[EastSaxCol]

He's basically on loan, or lease to West Ham. But reading what Joorabchian has said we have the option of buying him - if Carlitos want's to stay. That's all about 50-50 at the moment.

According to Carlitos , at the beginning the previous couch never gave him an oportunity but now he actually feel very well in the Westham and the Westham's fan are really great so i think that he want to stay in this team .

IMO Carlitos ,called 'El Apache' in Argentina, is a good player so he should stay there at least a couple of month to show what he can do .

True , our fans are superb and no doubt his heart is with us. But he has said that if he can play for a leading club then he will - and who can blame him. Fact is that very few are willing to come up with the 30mil + at present, even though his latter performances at West Ham have stimulated interest from the likes of Real Madrid.

A lot will depend on how he performs in Copa America I suspect.

[Izarus]

I have a one more question. Here's what Joorabchian says about third party transfers:

It is a little bit like a loan deal between two clubs, except it is a loan deal between the club and a third party.

You buy the player outright, you invest in the player and the clubs sign him from you; they take the registration, the rights on any resale belong to you.

So what does "the rights on any resale belong to you" concretely mean here ?

[Jared]

The money would go to Joorabchain, he is the owner of the player he is just loaning him out to westham. Its all explained with examples in the link by Happy Hammer.

What hes saying is if he decides to sell the player then all of the money belongs to him. Its the same with Mascherano at Liverpool, he is owned by Joorabchain, liverpool have loaned him off him for a fee. Although if they want to buy him permenantly they will have to cough up the asking price to Joorabchain.

[EastSaxCol]

I have a one more question. Here's what Joorabchian says about third party transfers:

It is a little bit like a loan deal between two clubs, except it is a loan deal between the club and a third party.

You buy the player outright, you invest in the player and the clubs sign him from you; they take the registration, the rights on any resale belong to you.

So what does "the rights on any resale belong to you" concretely mean here ?

I must admit on first reading the sentence the term does seem ambiguous.

But i's correct to say that if Tevez is sold then West Ham gets sweet fa money wise from the transaction.

That's what he infers by "rights".

[tw25rw]

I have a one more question. Here's what Joorabchian says about third party transfers:

It is a little bit like a loan deal between two clubs, except it is a loan deal between the club and a third party.

You buy the player outright, you invest in the player and the clubs sign him from you; they take the registration, the rights on any resale belong to you.

So what does "the rights on any resale belong to you" concretely mean here ?

I must admit on first reading the sentence the term does seem ambiguous.

But i's correct to say that if Tevez is sold then West Ham gets sweet fa money wise from the transaction.

That's what he infers by "rights".

I think we'd have to agree to cancel the registration, so we could possibly negotiate a fee. I expect we paid a fee up front when we signed him for 4 years.

[EastSaxCol]

I have a one more question. Here's what Joorabchian says about third party transfers:

It is a little bit like a loan deal between two clubs, except it is a loan deal between the club and a third party.

You buy the player outright, you invest in the player and the clubs sign him from you; they take the registration, the rights on any resale belong to you.

So what does "the rights on any resale belong to you" concretely mean here ?

I must admit on first reading the sentence the term does seem ambiguous.

But it's correct to say that if Tevez is sold then West Ham gets sweet fa money wise from the transaction.

That's what he infers by "rights".

I think we'd have to agree to cancel the registration, so we could possibly negotiate a fee. I expect we paid a fee up front when we signed him for 4 years.

West Ham get 10% of any sale I understand. Don't know of any other fees involved though.

[Izarus]

We may have misunderstood ourselves so I'll ask differently- what are those "rights on any resale" ?

[EastSaxCol]

We may have misunderstood ourselves so I'll ask differently- what are those "rights on any resale" ?

No misunderstanding, mate. Truth is, that nobody outside of those privy to the actual contract knows seems to know for sure.

All may be revealed whenever Tevez goes ?

But why all the concern over this detail ?