3NUMBAS Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 (edited) Selflessly dedicated' Swindon doctor dies from Covid A doctor who "selflessly dedicated" himself to treating Covid patients has died of the virus. Dr Irfan Halim from Swindon's Great Western Hospital was taken ill on 10 September and died on 14 November. Health officials said they were "devastated" and said the father-of-four was the hospital's third doctor to have died from the virus. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-59353697 Edited November 20, 2021 by Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-59353697 Something is wrong with my eyesight. Where is the hint to the 2 jabs? (I don't say it can't happen) Or has it been removed in the meantime? There is an article in the Mirror which claims "double jabbed". If true then other articles are lies by suppressing facts! Edited November 20, 2021 by KhunBENQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
300sd Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 https://prizebondlives.com/dr-irfan-halim-hero-surgeon-died/ Says it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clivebaxter Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 why was he a 'hero' ? 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabas Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 14 minutes ago, KhunBENQ said: Something is wrong with my eyesight. Where is the hint to the 2 jabs? (I don't say it can't happen) Or has it been removed in the meantime? There is an article in the Mirror which claims "double jabbed". If true then other articles are lies by suppressing facts! Oddly, most all links from Duckduck.com state he was double vaccinated including: https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/other/tragic-surgeon-killed-by-covid-was-fully-vaccinated-but-missed-out-on-booster-by-days/ar-AAQV50n None of these show on my Google search, or they are low priority. SEARCH KEY: Dr Irfan Halim Great Western Hospital +"vaccinated" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post placeholder Posted November 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2021 44 minutes ago, KhunBENQ said: Something is wrong with my eyesight. Where is the hint to the 2 jabs? (I don't say it can't happen) Or has it been removed in the meantime? There is an article in the Mirror which claims "double jabbed". If true then other articles are lies by suppressing facts! There's an article from msn.com that says he had his 2nd vaccination in january and hadn't gotten booster. If true, then that article in the Mirror and others like it are lies by suppressing facts! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Danderman123 Posted November 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2021 The vaccines are only 90% effective in stopping infection, so sometimes it’s a matter of bad luck. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AseanLao Posted November 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2021 I hope you didn't post this story to demonstrate that "vaccines don't work". Vaccinations make you 11 times less likely to die according to this paper from the British Medical Journal. Not having them is idiotic. https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2282 6 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Scott Posted November 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2021 Natural immunity is not better at fighting Covid. The mRNA vaccines are about 5X better at preventing Covid than natural immunity. Natural immunity is tricky. When we get any foreign matter like viruses or bacteria, our body has an innate immune response to get rid of it. The innate immune response, however, is not very specific in being able to target that exact virus, but it kicks in the adaptive immune system that starts manufacturing all kinds of cells to kill it. Some work well and some don't. Those that do work get reproduced, but this takes times and during that time some people getting very sick or die. The natural immunity may target any number of proteins on the virus and some of those might be more able to eventually evade detection. The vaccines target the protein on the spike that attaches to our cells. That is sort of like the key to the door. There is nothing wrong with natural immunity and I suspect that most people who get it have gotten quite lucky and the immune system found the right target. It's just a little less reliable and predictable than the vaccines. If you are young and healthy, natural immunity is statistically an option. If you are older, immunocompromised or have a number of other conditions, it might be extremely risky. I think the shot is a much better option. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-19-do-vaccines-protect-better-than-infection-induced-immunity 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AseanLao Posted November 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2021 It's interesting to have non-mainstream views about things, I do myself. But in the case of covid vaccines, promoting the viewpoint that vaccines are dangerous or don't work can actually cost lives. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 On 11/20/2021 at 11:47 PM, AseanLao said: It's interesting to have non-mainstream views about things, I do myself. But in the case of covid vaccines, promoting the viewpoint that vaccines are dangerous or don't work can actually cost lives. I do believe there is a credible source for this. I remember reading about it but it was quite some time ago. Part of the problem is that articles come out rather quickly and a reasonable review isn't done until it's hit all the news sources. At the time, the problem I saw with the results was that it was really too early to tell. It takes time to look at all the possible reasons it might indicate something that is not exactly true. In the case of Israel, a couple of things need to be noted. First, the groups immunized first were elderly and immunocompromised. Second, it was noted that a lot of Israelis in the earlier group also did a lot of traveling -- increasing exposure. This could have contributed to more breakthrough cases. What we do know from the early data from Israel is that immunity wanes and with it breakthrough cases increase. What we don't know is much about those with natural immunity, who were they, how did they compare to the breakthrough cases on the basis of age, conditions etc. And we certainly couldn't get a good handle on how long their immunity was lasting at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puccini Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 4 hours ago, placeholder said: There's an article from msn.com that says he had his 2nd vaccination in january and hadn't gotten booster. If true, then that article in the Mirror and others like it are lies by suppressing facts! What vaccine was available so early that the second shot could be administered in January 2021? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Puccini said: What vaccine was available so early that the second shot could be administered in January 2021? Covid-19 vaccine: First person receives Pfizer jab in UK 8 December 2020 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55227325 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 BBC is becoming rubbish these days, never enough detail and tell half a story. Did he have underlying conditions, etc. You'd think you'd have some symptoms before collapsing 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieH Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 Off topic removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 (edited) Get vaccinated, and don’t rely on a single study. https://www.immunology.org/coronavirus/connect-coronavirus-public-engagement-resources/covid-immunity-natural-infection-vaccine Edited November 24, 2021 by onthedarkside quote of hidden post removed 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AseanLao Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 7 hours ago, Puccini said: What vaccine was available so early that the second shot could be administered in January 2021? Many UK over 80s, medical professionals and care home workers got vaccinated Dec 2020, with their second jab 3 weeks later. The rules were changed shortly after to allow for a gap of up to 12 weeks between the 1st and 2nd jabs. At the earliest stage, everybody was getting Pfizer, AZ supplies kicked in around January. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 Yes. A small percentage of people that have been double jabbed do die from Covid-19. That is not news. All informed people knew that already. But to highlight one case of that is very misleading. Are we going to get a new topic for all the people in the world that got double jabbed, were then exposed to the virus, and did not die? Come on people! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 At the start of this pandemic and prior to science providing us with an understanding of how this disease is transmitted and then vaccines to fight its spread, doctors, nurses and medical staff were being killed by the virus in alarming numbers. Dr Li Wenliang who alerted the world of the existence of this disease was himself one of the many medics who it killed. Science based precautionary measures and vaccines have thankfully greatly reduced the risks medical staff face when providing health care to COVID patients, but sadly there are residual risks. That so many doctors, nurses and medical staff are willing to face these risks to provide healthcare to those in need is something we all ought to be very grateful for. RIP and thank you for your service. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 On 11/20/2021 at 8:05 PM, clivebaxter said: why was he a 'hero' ? If you need to ask you almost certainly would not understand the explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AseanLao Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 It's right there in the opening post of this topic: On 11/20/2021 at 7:38 PM, 3NUMBAS said: A doctor who "selflessly dedicated" himself to treating Covid patients has died of the virus. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post papa al Posted November 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2021 3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: That so many doctors, nurses and medical staff are willing to face these risks to provide healthcare to those in need is something we all ought to be very grateful for. Ironicallu, in 'merca, many of these same workers are being fired for non-compliance w/ vaccine mandates. What do they know that the general public doesn't ? 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted November 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2021 26 minutes ago, papa al said: Ironicallu, in 'merca, many of these same workers are being fired for non-compliance w/ vaccine mandates. What do they know that the general public doesn't ? They don’t know anything the general public doesn’t know, they’ve simply swallowed the anti-vaccine propaganda. I wish them the best of luck trying to find meaningful work where they don’t need to be vaccinated. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Danderman123 Posted November 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2021 1 hour ago, papa al said: Ironicallu, in 'merca, many of these same workers are being fired for non-compliance w/ vaccine mandates. What do they know that the general public doesn't ? 96% of physicians are vaccinated in America. What do they know that you don’t? 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 "Kevin McNamara, chief executive of Great Western Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust, said: "Dr Irfan Halim worked with us as a locum consultant for a year and was an invaluable member of the team looking after patients with Covid. "He selflessly dedicated himself to caring for his patients when they needed him the most during the pandemic. He will be sorely missed by those who worked with him, and by the whole organisation." https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-59353697 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 Off-topic posts with misleading information have been removed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onthedarkside Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Numerous off-topic posts having nothing to do with the OP topic have been removed, including some attempting to promote a drug that has not been approved for use in connection with COVID. The thread topic is -- dr dies despite 2 jabs and masks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 On 11/21/2021 at 3:29 PM, papa al said: Ironicallu, in 'merca, many of these same workers are being fired for non-compliance w/ vaccine mandates. What do they know that the general public doesn't ? 96% of all US physicians are vaccinated. What do they know that you don’t know? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommysboy Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 What is certain is that all of the big 4 vaccines offer such a high degree of protection from the awful immune over-reaction that is the hallmark of covid19 that the average reasonably healthy person is near guaranteed survival. The downside is there is a tiny chance you may be one of the very rare unlucky ones who gets killed by the vaccine itself. That's the deal, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdemundo Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 On 11/20/2021 at 10:06 AM, Puccini said: What vaccine was available so early that the second shot could be administered in January 2021? Moderna was available in the US at that time. I got two Moderna shots in January 2021. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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