Can somebody explain to me what is going on?

[Chomper Higgot]

21 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

You're assuming quite a bit.

That I don't care ... I do, I just don't know anyone (confirmed) who has been infected with covid, let alone died of.  Do now know of, not personally, (friend of friend) 2 dying of, but very old and were on last straw anyway.  So any bug might have done them in.

 

Take your 59%, and raise to 100%, 200% or 300%, and my risk factor from 0.03% is still less than 0.1% chance of.  I'm still liking my odds.

 

Yes, social distancing is a good thing, and never implied it wasn't, which I easily practice, since retired, don't need to be around anyone, except when shopping for food.  Which case, they are (assuming vax'd) masked, face shielded, so my exposure risk is even less.  Especially living semi-rural.

 

I chose to enjoy life, instead of worrying about things that probably won't affect me, and if so, have little chance of dying from.  Not saying it can't happen, but I also ride a motorcycle, taking the necessary precautions....I'm comfortable with.  Not all that someone else would, as shorts, t-shirt & flip flops has been my norm for 40 yrs, while other prefer more protective attire.  Same same, not a whole lot different.  And my social distancing, keeps both of us safe, same as my defensive driving has done for 40 yrs.

 

 

 

 

Then why the constant criticism of public health measures that are keeping millions of others safe?

 

Millions who don’t live in semi-rural environments, cannot effectively socially isolate, may be subject to health conditions that raise their risk, or who’s work that places them at increased risk?

 

 

[sirineou]

45 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

You're assuming quite a bit.

That I don't care ... I do

you said "This is the only risk factor #s I'm concerned about "

[Jeffr2]

1 minute ago, sirineou said:

you said "This is the only risk factor #s I'm concerned about "

One of the biggest problems. People who don't care about others.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

11 hours ago, KhunLA said:

This is the only risk factor #s I'm concerned about, from Thailand's #s to worldmeter:

 

That's a calculation based on death risk for the entire population, including kids, etc...

 

Look at the age group of a lot of AN forum readers (60+), and the odds suddenly get a lot worse.

 

Look at yesterday's COVID deaths report from the MoPH -- 78% were age 60 and above. Average age of the fatalities -- 71.

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/informationcovid19/photos/a.106455480972785/456587745959555/?type=3

 

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

That's a calculation based on death risk for the entire population, including kids, etc...

 

Look at the age group of a lot of AN forum readers (60+), and the odds suddenly get a lot worse.

 

Look at yesterday's COVID deaths report from the MoPH -- 78% were age 60 and above. Average age of the fatalities -- 71.

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/informationcovid19/photos/a.106455480972785/456587745959555/?type=3

 

They would also be people, who can't or won't isolate themselves as I can.  So their risk is irrelevant to mine.  

 

All comes down to who you believe, what you believe, and making personal choices for your on personal safety.

[KhunLA]

2 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

One of the biggest problems. People who don't care about others.

Still assuming way too much.  Have a nice day.  Be Safe

[onthedarkside]

A post linking to a foreign language news site has been removed.

 

See the forum's rule:

 

English is the only acceptable language anywhere on ASEAN NOW, except within the Thai language forum, where of course using Thai is allowed.

 

[Jeffr2]

40 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

They would also be people, who can't or won't isolate themselves as I can.  So their risk is irrelevant to mine.  

 

All comes down to who you believe, what you believe, and making personal choices for your on personal safety.

Sadly, we can't rely on people making the proper choices. Too many head stones now saying "I did my own research ". Your actions have a direct impact on others. Sadly.

[KhunLA]

9 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Sadly, we can't rely on people making the proper choices. Too many head stones now saying "I did my own research ". Your actions have a direct impact on others. Sadly.

Quite the opposite, since I avoid people........period.

Have a nice day = done with this conversation

Be Safe

[blackprince]

19 hours ago, Confuscious said:

Can somebody clarify this?

I haven't checked all the responses to this question about the (in)compatibility of covid rules between your home country and the Thai rules.

 

But the rules in all countries have been in a state of flux for the last 18 months, so I don't think an answer is even possible.

 

I think the most sensible advice is to limit international travel to the bare minimum for the time being: so many people have found themselves on the wrong side of a border when the rules changed.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, KhunLA said:

They would also be people, who can't or won't isolate themselves as I can.  So their risk is irrelevant to mine.  

 

All comes down to who you believe, what you believe, and making personal choices for your on personal safety.

In two very short paragraphs you manage to completely contradict yourself.

 

Well done.

[Confuscious]

1 hour ago, blackprince said:

I haven't checked all the responses to this question about the (in)compatibility of covid rules between your home country and the Thai rules.

 

But the rules in all countries have been in a state of flux for the last 18 months, so I don't think an answer is even possible.

 

I think the most sensible advice is to limit international travel to the bare minimum for the time being: so many people have found themselves on the wrong side of a border when the rules changed.

You are the 2nd member to answer about the (in)compatibility of Covid rules between countries.

The problem is that I will need to travel to my home country by half next year (no possibility to avoid it) and I risk to get refused my Vaccinations because of the Sinovac.

I can always return to my home country, but I will need to follow a lot of conditions that I would rather avoid at my age.

[Scott]

10 hours ago, Confuscious said:

Well, I don't know if the things I did read would be classified as a "lack of knowledge" or a "plain lie".

As far as I remember, at the start of this pandemic, the "chief warrior" of the WHO was telling that this virus was not worse as "a common Flu"; wearing face masks was no use; etc.
 

The Minister of Health in my country (a doctor) took it to the next level and started to claim that this virus was not worse as a common Flu and wearing face masks was silly and of no use.
A few weeks later, when things started to look very bad, she claimed that face masks could help but unfortunatly she destroyed ALL the face masks the country had in stock for cases like this.
But, no panic, she had already ordered a shipment of face masks from a dodgy producer in Turkye.
Unfortunatly, this producer was nothing more than a crook and he disappeared with a lot of public money.
But, no panic, she made a new order at a company in Luxemburg.
After a few weeks and lots of complaints from the public and the hospitals, the masks were delivered ........................... but were declared as "NO USE" by the Public Health Department.
 

I suspect the truthfulness depends on where you are from.  When it was called a hoax and would just go away, I'd classify those as false.  The issue of masks was one of confusion more than a lie.  

Hindsight is 20/20 and we now know that face masks would have most likely massively cut the infections.  In the US, the lack of a national stockpile meant there was not enough masks even for medical personnel, let alone the population at large.  Probably a lesser quality, home made face covering would have gone a long way to reducing the spread.   This was a major misstep, but I doubt it was a lie.  

I think we are seeing some of the same noise with Omicron.  Decisions are being made based on little information.  Hopefully, the professionals get it right or at least that we have overreacted and not underreacted. 

[rct99q]

On 12/1/2021 at 12:57 AM, bluehippie said:

If you don't know, say so, BUT STOP LYING to the people. It has seriously eroded confidence levels and people cannot trust anyone or anything now. Big problem now, just stop all the BS.

Most, if not all, scientists who report via main stream media do state that there is more study that needs to be done. This is not CSI where answers are found in an hour. They have been researching these types of viruses for years and can provide very accurate "predictions". 

Then you have Mike The Pillow Guy, whom some people believe knows more than most others.

 

Sad really.

[JimHuaHin]

On 11/30/2021 at 10:41 PM, Scott said:

I am very sorry to hear about your friend and your problems with vaccines.   I can't answer for the administrative and bureaucratic hoops that constitute a 'vaccinated person'.  

 

Your friend falls on the outer edges of what can happen when a lot of things go wrong.  He also is an indicator of how seriously we have to treat Covid.  Unless he has some underlying condition either identified or unidentified, he should be faring better than he is.  But here's the crux of the problem, as we get older our immune system is simply less responsive to invading pathogens. 

 

It appears that somewhere in the late 40's it starts to slow down and is significantly less responsive by the 60's.  Over 80, the risk from Covid is VERY high.   At 71, your friend should be able to ward it off.

 

At the end of the day, a vaccine works by stimulating the immune system to fight the specific proteins targeted in the spike of the Covid virus.  The vaccine tells our body what to produce, but our body has to actually do the producing of the immunity.  

 

I hope, in spite of the odds, he makes it.  Keep us posted.  

 

So pleasing to read an accurate intelligent response for a change.

[ozimoron]

The need to wear masks is not something which required data confirmation. The initial advice when the virus was in its early stages was, as has been stated, just down to a lack of supply and a need to prioritise them for front line health workers. Since then there has been no excuse. masks were known to reduce transmission a century ago during the Spanish Flu.

 

The anti mask and anti vaccine sentiment now is not based on any science and the proponents should be silenced in the public interest. It's not a matter of free speech. The propaganda for political purposes comes overwhelmingly from the right who see pandemic response failure as key to re-election prospects due to disenchantment with the governments of the day. This is very reminiscent of the period between the world wars not peculiar just to the US.

 

The comparison between conspiracy theories and propaganda is not coincidental and both are toxic to society now as it was then.

Edited December 2, 2021 by ozimoron

[Jeffr2]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

The need to wear masks is not something which required data confirmation. The initial advice when the virus was in its early stages was, as has been stated, just down to a lack of supply and a need to prioritise them for front line health workers. Since then there has been no excuse. masks were known to reduce transmission a century ago during the Spanish Flu.

 

The anti mask and anti vaccine sentiment now is not based on any science and the proponents should be silenced in the public interest. It's not a matter of free speech as propaganda for political purposes, overwhelmingly from the right who see pandemic response failure as key to re-election prospects due to disenchantment with the governments of the day. This is very reminiscent of the period between the world wars not peculiar just to the US.

 

The comparison between conspiracy theories and propaganda is not coincidental and both are toxic to society now as it was then.

As the US Surgeon General has said, misinformation is the #1 health issue today.  Sad some feel the need to feed into this.  But congrats to the mods here for dealing with this quickly.

[Paradise Pete]

On 11/30/2021 at 9:48 PM, Confuscious said:

What is the use of get 3 vaccins when one can stil die from Covid?

It's playing the odds. Getting vaccinated increases one's chances. We make decisions every day about things that don't have a guaranteed outcome but one choice is better than another, and making good choices will, on average, result in better outcomes. That's the only thing we can control. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

 

[sandyf]

On 11/30/2021 at 9:48 PM, Confuscious said:

What is the use of get 3 vaccins when one can stil die from Covid?

Reaction to the virus, or vaccination, is an individual response, something many prefer to ignore.

Statistically, having been vaccinated the chances of becoming seriously ill are greatly reduced, not removed.

[Scott]

Off-topic posts reported and removed.  The topic is not about supplements to help the immune system.  

 

[sandyf]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

The need to wear masks is not something which required data confirmation. The initial advice when the virus was in its early stages was, as has been stated, just down to a lack of supply and a need to prioritise them for front line health workers. Since then there has been no excuse. masks were known to reduce transmission a century ago during the Spanish Flu.

Quite. Would anyone tell people not to cover their nose and mouth in a smoke filled room. The big difference is you can see and smell smoke.

Recent tests around air filtration has shown surprising results on how much covid and other stuff lurking in the air in certain locations.

https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/air-filter-significantly-reduces-presence-of-airborne-sars-cov-2-in-covid-19-wards

[Scott Tracy]

Regretably, inconsistency among countries is rife. One country's fully vaccinated doesn't mean another will accept it. We look at Anutin and his foray to Switzerland to see the stupidity that runs the world. 

I guess as it just <deleted> up people, the powers that be, really don't care. I suggest it is politics, rather than scientific evidence. I point to England, specifically. They are the only country within the UK not recommending home working. Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland health departments are recommending it, in line with scientific recommendations to reduce the spread of the Omicron variant.

[Bangkok Barry]

On 11/30/2021 at 9:48 PM, Confuscious said:

I got vaccinated with Sinovac on 17-Aug-2021 and Astra-Zeneca on 10-Sep-2021.
The dates were appointed by the local Maharat hospital and are about 1 month separated.
I went yesterday for my "Booster" shot (Pfizer) but I was told by the nurse that she could not administer this shot as there has to be at least 2 months between the Astra-Zeneca and the Pfizer dose.

Thus, not before 10-Dec-2021.

Go back and tell the nurse that it is now almost three months since your last vaccination, not two months. You qualified for a booster in mid-November.

Why do I even have to write this?

Edited December 2, 2021 by Bangkok Barry

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On 12/2/2021 at 9:42 AM, sead said:

[misinfo post removed]

Wow! You sure do know how to pack a lot of falsehoods into a few sentences.

 

https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/sinovac-or-vaccine-mix-now-accepted-for-australian-travel

 

And more and more countries are approving mixed vaccinations:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/24/world/europe/covid-vaccine-mix-and-match-pfizer-moderna.html

 

As for SWitzerland, it seems that Anutin's vaccination status had nothing to do with him being denied entry.

https://www.thelocal.ch/20211005/update-switzerland-confirms-both-chinese-vaccines-accepted-for-covid-certificate/

 

Actually, while no one knows for sure yet about the effect of current vaccines, there is developing evidence that current mRNA vaccines are effective against covid.

https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/coronavirus/covid-1st-data-about-vaccine-efficacy-against-omicron-expected-tuesday-687392

 

Edited December 3, 2021 by onthedarkside
quote of misinfo post removed

[MrJ2U]

On 11/30/2021 at 9:48 PM, Confuscious said:

What is the use of get 3 vaccins when one can stil die from Covid?

Lowers that chance of Hospital care.

 

Hopefully less people in an already overwhelmed hospital situation.

 

Sorry to hear about your vaccine situation.

I'm concerned about getting a booster in a few months myself.

 

Stay safe!

[Confuscious]

Just received an update about my friend and wanted to share it here:

"Dear people, just trying to thank everyone, Neighbor girls, boys, guidance, all family friends and acquaintances. It's good that you get things in the mail or via chat or facebook, but can't answer them all yet, still a little short of energy; Thank you. HX"