ACLU Re: Covid Restrictions

[seedy]

Following link to download

THE NEED FOR A PUBLIC HEALTH – NOT A LAW ENFORCEMENT/NATIONAL SECURITY– APPROACH

https://security-eu.mimecast.com/ttpwp?tkn=3.YJXlDfCrtlbA7o_thyjFX8WNAg-pHaVyKY9a3qH_s0KwFPCOJx_Vgu_uiV1qZZGWaBnTI7xNmnSjfOAAXRsh17mTKHqiPxhO1wqnY5b09gJDv9U0WzrZmjjJnRU_p0q3KP4qUxVu-7krnDOXnoAkvoTIINIE2CHqdpVJd_qDenmf2s1JG6rqIgTwDPsDuJnw.KHFDOfFfZIoocgAjCeYgqQ#/checking?key=b3BpbmlvbkBjYmMuY2F8cmVxLTJmYzAwMDliZmZkZDdkY2E5MDg3ODA4YmIxZDg4NGU0

[ubonjoe]

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[mtls2005]

Maybe here???

 

https://www.aclu.org/report/pandemic-preparedness-need-public-health-not-law-enforcementnational-security-approach

 

 

[Gsxrnz]

I'm amazed that anybody still thinks the last 18+ months of global wealth reallocation and ideologically driven power grabs has anything remotely to do with health.

[mtls2005]

9 minutes ago, Gsxrnz said:

I'm amazed that anybody still thinks the last 18+ months of global wealth reallocation and ideologically driven power grabs has anything remotely to do with health.

I'm amazed that anyone still thinks aluminum head-gear is still a good look.

 

But then, maybe it's that chip in my head?

 

What can we do?

 

 

[seedy]

2 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

Maybe here???

https://www.aclu.org/report/pandemic-preparedness-need-public-health-not-law-enforcementnational-security-approach

Thanks - my link worked this AM - no idea why it does not now.

[seedy]

2 hours ago, Gsxrnz said:

I'm amazed that anybody still thinks the last 18+ months of global wealth reallocation and ideologically driven power grabs has anything remotely to do with health.

Got to agree with you.

This part very telling -

The lessons from history should be kept in mind whenever we are told by government officials that “tough,” liberty-limiting actions are needed to protect us from dangerous diseases. Specifically: • Coercion and brute force are rarely necessary. In fact they are generally counterproductive—they gratuitously breed public distrust and encourage the people who are most in need of care to evade public health authorities. • On the other hand, effective, preventive strategies that rely on voluntary participation do work. Simply put, people do not want to contract smallpox, influenza or other dangerous diseases. They want positive government help in avoiding and treating disease. As long as public officials are working to help people rather than to punish them, people are likely to engage willingly in any and all efforts to keep their families and communities healthy. • Minorities and other socially disadvantaged populations tend to bear the brunt of tough public health measures.

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, seedy said:

Simply put, people do not want to contract smallpox, influenza or other dangerous diseases.

I wouldn't count the flu as a dangerous disease, 3 days feeling a bit sweaty.

(or COVID for that matter)

[mtls2005]

3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I wouldn't count the flu as a dangerous disease

Uhm, there's ~ 50,000,000 people on the line for you, calling from 1918-1920.

 

Well there might be had they not perished.

 

 

[Jeffr2]

4 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I wouldn't count the flu as a dangerous disease, 3 days feeling a bit sweaty.

(or COVID for that matter)

200,000 to 600,000 die every year from the flu. Perhaps up to 17MM from Covid. A majority consider these dangerous.

[Jeffr2]

8 hours ago, Gsxrnz said:

I'm amazed that anybody still thinks the last 18+ months of global wealth reallocation and ideologically driven power grabs has anything remotely to do with health.

I'm amazed that anybody still thinks the last 18+ months of millions of deaths have anything to do with money or power grabs. Only those who fall for conspiracy theories would think so.

[Jeffr2]

6 hours ago, seedy said:

Got to agree with you.

This part very telling -

The lessons from history should be kept in mind whenever we are told by government officials that “tough,” liberty-limiting actions are needed to protect us from dangerous diseases. Specifically: • Coercion and brute force are rarely necessary. In fact they are generally counterproductive—they gratuitously breed public distrust and encourage the people who are most in need of care to evade public health authorities. • On the other hand, effective, preventive strategies that rely on voluntary participation do work. Simply put, people do not want to contract smallpox, influenza or other dangerous diseases. They want positive government help in avoiding and treating disease. As long as public officials are working to help people rather than to punish them, people are likely to engage willingly in any and all efforts to keep their families and communities healthy. • Minorities and other socially disadvantaged populations tend to bear the brunt of tough public health measures.

Sadly, due to anti vax holdouts, voluntary participation isn't working. Mandates are now necessary for the minority who refuse to get vaccinated and are helping to extend this pandemic.