Popular Post placeholder Posted December 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2021 This is why refuseniks should have gotten vaccinated. And another compelling reason why those who claim that vaccinating their children is putting them in danger are not being rational. From the article: “The incidence in those under 5 is now second highest, second only to those over 60. The trend that we’re seeing now, that is different to what we’ve seen before, is a particular increase in hospital admissions in children under 5 years." https://www.thedailybeast.com/omicron-variant-puttings-huge-numbers-of-kids-under-5-years-old-in-hospital-in-south-africa 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jeffr2 Posted December 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2021 Yeah, I just read this. It's getting old listening to anti vaxxers and covid deniers. No reason not be vaccinated. None. Unless for serious health reasons. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewsterbudgen Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 Yes, it's been quite apparent for many months that vaccinations are the answer. However, it will be many months before very young children (under 5) get vaccinated, even in countries like the UK/US and Europe. Hopefully they will continue to be only very mildly affected by Covid, and build up natural antibodies after they get it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Scott Posted December 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2021 The under 5 age group should be reasonably easy to protect if the vast majority of adults around them are vaccinated. The under 5's are less likely to be in large gatherings and other than daycare centers and nursery/kindergarten classes, their interaction is largely with adults. Daycare centers, nursery and kindergarten classes are usually smaller in size. That said, in my experience at schools, they are little petri dishes. Things get played with, put on the floor and then in their mouths. I don't know what could be so fascinating up their nose, but their fingers are constantly there. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Scott Posted December 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2021 I am sure a lot of parents know that when younger children get sick it can be scary. Their immune system is not yet fully developed and their condition can worsen quickly. Even a mild fever can shoot up dangerously high in a short time. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted December 4, 2021 Author Share Posted December 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, Scott said: The under 5 age group should be reasonably easy to protect if the vast majority of adults around them are vaccinated. The under 5's are less likely to be in large gatherings and other than daycare centers and nursery/kindergarten classes, their interaction is largely with adults. Daycare centers, nursery and kindergarten classes are usually smaller in size. That said, in my experience at schools, they are little petri dishes. Things get played with, put on the floor and then in their mouths. I don't know what could be so fascinating up their nose, but their fingers are constantly there. There really isn't a rational reason (except for medical exceptions) not to vaccinate young children since the risk of becoming ill with covid, while small, is still greater than the risks posed by vaccination. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Scott Posted December 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, placeholder said: There really isn't a rational reason (except for medical exceptions) not to vaccinate young children since the risk of becoming ill with covid, while small, is still greater than the risks posed by vaccination. They do not have even Emergency Use Authorization for children under 5. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted December 4, 2021 Author Share Posted December 4, 2021 24 minutes ago, Scott said: They do not have even Emergency Use Authorization for children under 5. Right. I forgot about that. But I imagine this information, if borne out elsewhere, is going to hasten the day when the under 5's do get vaccinated for covid. Unless, of course, trials show that the vaccine is more harmful than the disease. But, given past form, that seems highly unlikely. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 Among the very many callous lines of argument offered up by anti-vaxxers and COVID deniers has been the observation that this wretched disease has this far predominantly been a threat to the old and people suffering existing long term health challenges (and therefore nothing for the rest of us to worry aboit). The advent of a strain that is showing signs of making large numbers infants ill is going to have profound impacts on public perceptions of this disease and, if infants are indeed made ill in large numbers this will also have political implications wrt to tolerance of anti-vaccine views and adherence. Infants getting sick is a game changer. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post brewsterbudgen Posted December 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2021 8 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: Among the very many callous lines of argument offered up by anti-vaxxers and COVID deniers has been the observation that this wretched disease has this far predominantly been a threat to the old and people suffering existing long term health challenges (and therefore nothing for the rest of us to worry aboit). The advent of a strain that is showing signs of making large numbers infants ill is going to have profound impacts on public perceptions of this disease and, if infants are indeed made ill in large numbers this will also have political implications wrt to tolerance of anti-vaccine views and adherence. Infants getting sick is a game changer. Absolutely. Fortunately, so far, there is no evidence of this happening in large numbers. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlantis Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 (edited) To all the posters above: did you all read through the entire article? Apart from the very worrying first paragraph:The “highly transmissible” Omicron variant of coronavirus ripping through South Africa is putting disproportionately large numbers of children under 5 years old in hospitals, a top South African government medical adviser said Friday. If you all read through the entirety of the Daily Beast article, did anything jump out at you that seemed a little off? I guess most people are asleep by now, so I'll wait for responses to come in tomorrow morning before sharing my thoughts. *And in case you're wondering, yes I am concerned, just probably much-less-so than many of you. Edited December 4, 2021 by Atlantis mistype 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffr2 Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 8 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said: Absolutely. Fortunately, so far, there is no evidence of this happening in large numbers. Yes there is. A link was given earlier to prove this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffr2 Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 4 hours ago, Atlantis said: To all the posters above: did you all read through the entire article? Apart from the very worrying first paragraph:The “highly transmissible” Omicron variant of coronavirus ripping through South Africa is putting disproportionately large numbers of children under 5 years old in hospitals, a top South African government medical adviser said Friday. If you all read through the entirety of the Daily Beast article, did anything jump out at you that seemed a little off? I guess most people are asleep by now, so I'll wait for responses to come in tomorrow morning before sharing my thoughts. *And in case you're wondering, yes I am concerned, just probably much-less-so than many of you. Still waiting for you to show where I've posted misinformation. Or was that just a personal attack at me? If so, you can apologize at any time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewsterbudgen Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 2 hours ago, Jeffr2 said: Yes there is. A link was given earlier to prove this. I'm not sure that's "proof"! Better to wait and see what happens when it's spread further than Africa. If there is global evidence of it seriously affecting the under-5s it will be big news, and not just something for the Daily Beast! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffr2 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said: I'm not sure that's "proof"! Better to wait and see what happens when it's spread further than Africa. If there is global evidence of it seriously affecting the under-5s it will be big news, and not just something for the Daily Beast! One of many articles on this. DB was just the first to break the news, as they typically do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted December 5, 2021 Author Share Posted December 5, 2021 Well, the mitigating factor in this rise in admissions is that, according to the authorities in South Africa, while more young people are being admitted, the symptoms are mild. Of course, given the propensity of the virus to mutate, that could change, too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabas Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 Compared to Delta (blue), Omicron hospitalizations are strongly shifted to 20 and 30 year olds, the typical age of most mothers. [ref] 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlantis Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 @Jeffr2 This is for everyone, but especially for you. You'll love it. It's quite beautiful really.https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-beast/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fox-news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 Off-topic, personal commentary posts and replies removed. Stay on topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffr2 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 8 hours ago, Atlantis said: @Jeffr2 This is for everyone, but especially for you. You'll love it. It's quite beautiful really.https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-beast/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fox-news Well aware of it. Glad you understand this. The report from the Daily Beast is followed up by graphs produced by the Financial Times. Hope that publication is good enough for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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