1 hour ago, Pib said:

I don't expect the leap from the typical  120KW or 150KW DC charger in Thailand to 1000KW (1MW) chargers like starting to be be installed in China (such as five hundred 1MW chargers in Apr 2025...see link below) to occur anytime soon in Thailand.   inutes.

We don't even need more than 76kw, as that is what our car will accept.   Charged 4X while O&A recently, from 22% - 67% when plugging in, and car was back to 90-95% before we were done, doing what ever needed to be done, while at the charging station.

 

From 3 of us using the toilet, to a meal, or just a simple P, coffee & pastry.

 

Might be different if we could actually drive somewhere, anywhere at 100+ kph, but since we average ~80 kph, if lucky, the 3+ hrs is more time than I want to spend in the car.  We average only 70 kph, so that's 4+ hrs before actually needing to charge, and still have a nice reserve, at 20%.

 

We're lucky if we make 2 hrs, before one of us needs a break for what ever reason.   And if having kids, good luck with that.

 

Nice that the tech is available, but I really doubt that most need.   Or willing to pay extra for, until it's standard, then will rarely be used, except long weekend in TH, when Qs are at the CS, or so I read.

12 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

BYD’s new EV flash chargers are as fast as petrol pumps – here’s when they’re arriving in the UK

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/cars/electric-vehicles/byd-electric-car-fast-flash-charging-b2768732.html

 

Got to love the journalists enthusiasm. I can't wait to see this large scale entry into megawatt territory.
 

It’s a case of supply & demand.

 

Right now, Zero demand but that will change as cars with the capability hit the market.

 

Right now I think about what I would replace my BYD Seal with, there’s currently nothing I fancy other than an MG Cyberster.

 

A Seal Plaid would hit the spot, otherwise I’m waiting for Merc S-Class/BMW 7 series Chinese EV alternatives.

 

I definitely appprove of megawatt level charging, a speed increase is needed.

1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:

I definitely appprove of megawatt level charging, a speed increase is needed.

 

Megawatt charging is easy when you have a state owned UHV AC-DC grid and state subsidised charging infrastructure.

3 minutes ago, Fruit Trader said:

 

Megawatt charging is easy when you have a state owned UHV AC-DC grid and state subsidised charging infrastructure.

You do know how big the grant was that Tesla was given towards their supercharger network in the US, right?

3 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

You do know how big the grant was that Tesla was given towards their supercharger network in the US, right?

No

Maybe EV manufacturers could add a comparison meter to the dashboard showing how many liters of fuel they would have used in an ICE vehicle. I think it is only when people can see the savings easily will they convince their friends.

 

3 minutes ago, Purdey said:

Maybe EV manufacturers could add a comparison meter to the dashboard showing how many liters of fuel they would have used in an ICE vehicle. I think it is only when people can see the savings easily will they convince their friends.

I posted that, the savings more than a few times, and quite easy to figure out.   Especially since we owned both versions of our present car, MG ZS.

 

Petrol version got 14 kpL (using 91), so simply compare that to a full charge on our BEV version.

 

Highway at speed limit of 90 kph +/- and we're good for ~340 kms on full charge.

Local mixed driving, 30-60-90 kph, and we're good for ~360 kms on full charge.

 

Strangely, the WLTP rating is 320 kms range (NEDC 403 🙄)

 

46.3kWh usable of 50.3kWh battery, @ ฿5 per kWh at home charging equals:

BEV - 340 kms cost ฿232 (46.3 x ฿5)

ICEV - 340 ÷ 14 = 28.28 L X ฿33.28 = ฿941

 

941 ÷ 232 = 4X more expensive to drive a petrol MG ZS

 

https://www.bangchak.co.th/en/oilprice

 

https://autolifethailand.tv/byd-seal-5-dm-i-plug-in-hybrid-8aug-2025-thailand/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Go to the weblink to see the graphics/charts.

 

https://carnewschina.com/2025/07/01/byd-sells-377628-passenger-cars-in-june-exports-surge-230/

 

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BYD booth at Shanghai Auto Show 2025. Credit: CarNewsChina

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Update 1/7: Added breakdown to BYD’s brands

BYD Group sold 377,628 passenger vehicles in June, nearly flat from May and up 11% from the same month the previous year. This marks BYD’s highest monthly sales in 2025 so far.

Of those vehicles, 206,884 (54.8%) were battery electric vehicles (BEVs) and 170,744 (45.2%) were plug-in hybrid vehicles (PHEVs). BEV sales grew 42.5%, while PHEV sales were down 12.5% year-over-year.

This is the third consecutive month that BYD’s BEV penetration has exceeded 50%, and for the first time, they have surpassed the 200,000 sales threshold for two straight months.

Exports reached 90,049 vehicles, up 233.6% from 30,014 units in June 2024.

https://carnewschina.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/image-23-800x567.png BYD sales by fuel type. Credit: China EV DataTracker

The sales include BYD-badged cars, as well as all its other brands, Denza, FCB, and Yangwang. The breakdown of brands is as follows:

• BYD brand: 336,255, up 3.5% YoY
• FCB: 18,903, up 605% YoY
• Denza: 15,783, up 28,6% YoY
• Yangwang: 205, down 50.1% YoY

In the first half of 2025 (January to June), BYD sold 2,113,271 passenger cars, up 31.5% from 1,607,145 units in the same period last year. The Shenzhen-based company has a sales target of 5.5 million vehicles for 2025. In 2024, BYD sold 4.27 million vehicles globally.

The commercial vehicle division, including bus sales, surged 459% from 5,838 to 32,683 units in the first half of 2025 (January to June).

https://carnewschina.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/image-24-800x445.png BYD passenger car sales. Credit: China EV DataTracker

Sales of all vehicles, including commercial and buses, reached 382,585 units in June.

BYD ceased producing ICE-only vehicles in April 2022 and now sells only battery electric vehicles (BEVs) and plug-in electric vehicles (PHEVs).

BYD sold 3 million vehicles in 2023 and 4.3 million in 2024, and is expected to deliver around 5.5 million units in 2025 and 6.5 million in 2026.

Production and overseas market

BYD produced 340,570 passenger cars in June, a nearly flat increase from the same month last year. Of it, 189,079 were BEVs and 151,491 were PHEVs.

To fulfil its export ambitions, BYD is building a fleet of 8 massive car carriers, which is nearly complete. The latest one is BYD Zhengzhou, BYD’s 7th vessel, capable of carrying 7,000 vehicles, which began sea trials last week.

In late June, BYD’s sixth vessel, BYD Xi’an, with a capacity of 9,200 vehicles, finished its maiden voyage and was loaded with about 7,000 EVs to be shipped to the UK and EU countries Italy, Spain and Belgium.

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For the skeptics, not believing we get 330-340 kms on the highway at 90kph, when possible.  Note driving @ 90 kph (end of vid), and 51% battery w/ 171 kms remaining (if  X 2 = ~340 kms per full charge).

 

MG ZS WLTP range rating is 320 kms, at average 47 kph.  There isn't much difference when driving 90 vs 100 kph, maybe 10% if maintaining 100 kph, hard to do in TH.  

 

Over 100+ kph, and you'd probably notice less range.

 

Also consider the MG ZS has a small battery, 50.3 kWh (46.3 kWh usable).  We usually drive 90 kph when possible, but reality, on long haul legs, we average 70-80 kph, which means 3-4 hrs.   Too much time on Thai roads for us, as we usually charge after 3+ hrs, if not needed a stop for what ever reason before that.  

 

Range anxiety is never a problem.  More like not stopping before we get to 250+ kms, as someone needs to P or get hungry before.

 

3.5-4 hrs, is ~250+ kms, leaving large reserve of 70 kms or more / 20+ %.

 

Latest short trip cost comparison, total of 1693 kms:

 

BEV ... ฿1382 = ฿0.816 / km

ICEV ... ฿3928 = ฿2.32 / km = 2.84 X the cost of BEV 

 

Aside from electrons being cheaper than Dino fuel, if you live in a very hilly location, Khao Kho or Nan for instance, as the only 2 places I've notice this happen.   Generating more electric while driving than using.  Can only see that on your first drive of the day.

 

On one stretch of hwy 106, I could see kms being added instead of subtracted from remaining kms.   Doing 60-90 kph down hill at times.  Only for a few kms stretch of hills, more down or level than up, but pretty cool to watch.  

 

 

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🎭 Title: "The Great Garage Debate"

Characters:

• Petey Petrol – a proud, slightly outdated petrol car
• Evie Volt – a sleek, modern electric vehicle
• Narrator – sets the scene and delivers facts

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[Scene opens in a garage. Petey Petrol is revving loudly. Evie Volt hums quietly.]

Narrator:
Welcome to the Great Garage Debate, where two cars battle it out for eco-supremacy!

Petey Petrol:
Listen here, Evie. I’ve got heritage! Muscle! The roar of a real engine!

Evie Volt:
Roar? More like noise pollution. I glide silently. And I don’t cough out carbon every time I move.

Petey Petrol:
But I can refuel in five minutes. Beat that!

Evie Volt:
True. But I charge while you sleep. And I don’t make you pay for overpriced dinosaur juice.

Narrator:
Fact check! EVs cost less to run per kilometer and require fewer maintenance checks—no oil changes, no exhaust repairs.

Petey Petrol:
But what about range anxiety? I go the distance!

Evie Volt:
And I go smarter. Regenerative braking, instant torque, and software updates while you’re stuck in the past.

Narrator:
Let’s talk emissions. Petey here emits around 2.3 kg of CO₂ per liter of fuel burned. Evie? Zero tailpipe emissions.

Petey Petrol:
Okay, okay... but I smell like freedom!

Evie Volt:
You smell like benzene and regret.

Narrator:
And the verdict? While petrol cars had their time, the future is electric—cleaner, quieter, and smarter.

[Evie Volt glides out of the garage. Petey Petrol sputters sadly.]

Petey Petrol:
Maybe I’ll retire and become a coffee table...

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Even a gasoline hybrid can be a pain in the neck and the wallet if the hybrid battrey fails. Failures occur when the car is left unrun for a few months. The best option is a regular non hybrid gasoline vehicle. There are still some brands like KIA who make such engines though not in the upper market models. Your choice. But if you leave your car unrun for more then 2 months or more, a hybrid may not be the proper choice. But do we still have much of a choice left in the first place ?

Looks like Chinese vehicle manufacturer GWM has firmly entered the Thailand full size SUV/PPV market which has been primarily dominated by Japanese manufacturers Toyota & Isuzu for many years.   Japanese vehicle manufacturers continue to bleed market share to Chinese vehicle manufacturers in both the ICE and EV market segments. 

 

https://autolifethailand.tv/sales-report-suv-ppv-july-2025/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Another short O&A ... 2380 kms.

 

Start at 100% (solar), and like to return around 20%, top back up, again with excess solar.

 

340 kms per full charge = 7 - 1 = 6 full charges.

Full charge (46.3kWh) cost @ 7.5 / kWh = ฿347.25 x 6 = ฿2083

 

Driving ICE version MG ZS ... cost would be ... ฿5538

(2380 / 14 = 170 x 32.58 = 5530)

 

Returned home @

 

 

EVs are obviously the winner for those determined enough to convince themselves.

12 minutes ago, Lee65 said:

EVs are obviously the winner for those determined enough to convince themselves.

 

Or those with intelligent, open minds and experience of both ICE & EV

1 hour ago, Lee65 said:

EVs are obviously the winner for those determined enough to convince themselves.

Feel free to pay more for less, when buying that ICEV.

 

Ignorance is Bliss 

Registrations in the "C-SUV / Crossover" vehicle category are screaming rapid growth of BEV (100% electric) where over 4 of 10 vehicle new registrations in this category were BEVs vs ICE/Hybrid.

 

https://autolifethailand.tv/sales-report-csuv-cdsuv-crossover-july-2025/

 

 

On 8/28/2025 at 9:02 AM, Lee65 said:

EVs are obviously the winner for those determined enough to convince themselves.

 

In what way exactly? I'm still firmly seated in the other camp.

 

More fun?

Feel connected to the vehicle?

I'm not interested in resale but...

Curb appeal?

Visceral feel? The visceral part of having a combustion car, including the noise, the smell, and the feeling of actually driving a car, might get lost in translation.

 

 

 

 

For those that have owned and driven both, extensively (BEV, shy of 3 yrs), there really isn't any comparison.   For us, BEV (in TH) wins in every aspect I can think of ...

... Comfort

... Performance

... Cost, buy in, operate & maintain

... even time needed to top up electrons vs petrol, throughout the year

 

If you can charge at home, can't think of 1 reason not to own a BEV.  Even if we couldn't charge at home, we'd still own a BEV.   So many convenient locations & options to charge, it wouldn't be an inconvenience for us at all.

 

10 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

For those that have owned and driven both, extensively (BEV, shy of 3 yrs), there really isn't any comparison.   For us, BEV (in TH) wins in every aspect I can think of ...

... Comfort

... Performance

... Cost, buy in, operate & maintain

... even time needed to top up electrons vs petrol, throughout the year

 

If you can charge at home, can't think of 1 reason not to own a BEV.  Even if we couldn't charge at home, we'd still own a BEV.   So many convenient locations & options to charge, it wouldn't be an inconvenience for us at all.

 

Agree,

After 2 months with my Neta V it's so much easier and more comfortable to drive than any ICE I've ever owned.

Can't roll once you've braked at stop, most driving and stopping done with the accelerator, really nice power steering, ABS, locks/unlocks with a button on the driver's door handle, starts when you sit in it, free fuel from my home solar.

 

Can't believe how good it is.

All that's missing is wireless car play, and electrically retractable mirrors.

Compare specs of ICEV at these price points, and get back to me ... 

 

 

In the top 10 registered BEV for August ... #1 & #8

 

 

 

 

Just watching a program about German auto show. Some guy was harping on about innovations in electric vehicles? 

Maybe someone can explain.? It's a car. Take out one source of prime mover and substitute another.