Uk Visa Refusal \ And Recommendation Of Thai Agency

[scotty123456789]

Irish,

Manhout is right, i have ever used visa no1.

I enquired information from visa no1 but did not take things further.

I have all the info i need from this site.

Sorry for the confusion, but i mentioned visa no1 ( the only one i know ) as he was stuck in a ruck.

But speeking to them, well they dont sound convincing to me.

Money money money.

Thats how they sounded to me.

Cheers all...

[connor]

Hi

Can i ask what visas her sister got here on & how long they have been here. Also there current situations?

How old are u & how old is your wife?

Perhaps you should think about a different visa or different sponser, with so many VV refused its fairly obvious they know her intentions (or they think they do). How serious are u both? Do u send her money? Call daily? Have plenty of pics? Met her family?

How many times have you been to see her? How long ago did you apply for the VV? What is her financial situ? I know she has property & business but has she any money? Has she got kids? Are you telling the truth?

Dont go spending silly amounts of money to get someone to do it for you, its very straight forward. Especially a VV (any visa really) regardless of refusals. A company is not going to come up with some magic solution to get the visa. You already know the reasons. I am not an ex ECO Officer or Embassy employee & have succeeded in all visas i have applied for.

PM m or reply here i would be help to give you any help i can in plain English .

[the scouser]

I agree with Connor that there are many factors which we don't know of which may influence what usb's next move could be. Least of all, we would need to see the reasons for the previous refusals. However, usb's girlfriend is certainly going to find it difficult to get a visit visa. There may be some who would advise getting married in order to get around the visit visa requirements, but this comes with no guarantee of success.

Usb and his girlfriend have basically got to address the core problems before they apply for another visa in any category.

Scouse.

[usb]

Firstly thanks for EVERYONE for taking an interest. I amazed at the amount of advise and support my post has generated.

Connor To try and answer your questions.

Can i ask what visas her sister got here on & how long they have been here. Also there current situations?

Her sister is married to UK National, Im not sure of the exact date (but can find out) but shes been here at least 6 years. The purpose of my GFs first visit was to help her sister with her new child who is now 5 years old and born here. The sisters current situation is still happily married.

How old are u & how old is your wife?

Im 38, My GF is 40.

Perhaps you should think about a different visa or different sponser, with so many VV refused its fairly obvious they know her intentions (or they think they do). How serious are u both? Do u send her money? Call daily? Have plenty of pics? Met her family?

Id listen to any any advise you can give about different Visas. The VV application was just the first step, hopefully leading (if things work out) to a finance visa application. although I have strong feeling for Welw, Im reluctant to jump straight into marriage, having only spent days in each others company. I wouldn't marry a British girl without living with her first.

Were as serious as can be for the time we've spent together. I send 12000 bhat per month, text daily, call every 2-3 days, email every week. have pics, will meet parent in September, have also have paid for her haircutting course, and have the evidence.

What do you mean by a different sponsor? I consider myself a strong sponsor, with job, house, basic savings, and clean record, I have never sponsored anyone before.

How many times have you been to see her? How long ago did you apply for the VV? What is her financial situ? I know she has property & business but has she any money? Has she got kids? Are you telling the truth?

I have only seen her the one time 14 days November 2006, I visit again end of September, I met her on my 3rd visit to Thailand, so im not a naive target for Thai charms, theres just a spark I felt instantly for her.

The property was left to her and her sister but is solely in her name. Her car is her fathers but was put in her name to help with the application.

The Visa application was last week, she has minimal saving, she has two kids 17 + 14. I am telling the truth, warts and all. If helpful I can send you a scan of the refusal.

I will get the full reasons of the second refusal and update later, but basically I believe it was lack of need to return.

The refusal for the third was the inability of her husband to support her, no property, poor job. They lost contact almost immediately after the failed application, and she divorced him in thailand early this year.

Dont go spending silly amounts of money to get someone to do it for you, its very straight forward. Especially a VV (any visa really) regardless of refusals. A company is not going to come up with some magic solution to get the visa. You already know the reasons. I am not an ex ECO Officer or Embassy employee & have succeeded in all visas i have applied for.

PM m or reply here i would be help to give you any help i can in plain English ohmy.gif .

Thanks Ill reply here so hopefully other will learn as well.

Based on previous replies I currently plan to wait six months and apply again. I know everyone said a year, but I think a practice interview in 6 months would do her good, and calm future interview nerves. This time Ill fill in the application myself (she paid 1000Baht to a lady in the office to do the last one, I guess they decided between them to leave off all negative aspects) and emphasize to her she must be blatantly honest with the embassy. I should say Welw has been honest with me from day one, she even asked if she can go out to a party tonight.

Alternatively I should by xmas have an Italian Passport (dual nationality) so maybe that route is worth looking at?

Again Thanks to everyone.

[Mossfinn]

I think we will need some professional help, especially if she has to have an interview.

We have all the paperwork but can anyone recommend an agency,

If you require an agent ensure it is an OISC registered one, contact DaviesKhan, AKA Scouse on this forum.

He has helped many and has many endorsements on this sub-forum.

DEFINATLEY contact Davis Kahn..no other...they will give you a straight answer and help if they are able.

Good Luck

if you want my opinion, give Scouse a call.

If any application needed professional care it must be this one.

Perhaps you should think about a different visa or different sponser,

USB,

Have a look through the above responses and you will see a trend, from you thinking that you need professional help and the replies that came back.

Although I am not sure how a different sponsor or differing visa will be more amenable, when a VV and Marriage Visa have already been refused.

You now need a professional to guide you through the process and to answer the shortfall in her previous applications.

Reason to return is generally the most tricky but she has certain criteria that fit the bill, although not cast iron, credibility is another, well that is more difficult, and presentation and ticking the right boxes is another.

Remember the answer will be based ultimately on the classic phrase, 'Balance of Probabilities', she hasn't got the best track record, at this point I would really stop listening to amateurs like me and get help if you want to get her here, but even that is not guaranteed.

The choice is yours.

Good Luck

Moss

[AZZZEY68]

Under no circumstances can she take anyone into the interview guidance states this.Why lie to the embassy the truth is the way forward you also must have a good memory if you are bending the truth.

[DC1066]

You have given yourself a great head start by choosing to use this forum.

BUT there is no short cut. You will have to do the leg work and do the research. What you need to do is ensure that your application is comprehensive.

Put yourself in the shoes of the person who decides whether or not to issue the visa. What questions would you ask the applicant (you should be able to work out a good list from the experiences of others on this forum)?

When you have the list of questions then prepare your answers. The key then is to ask yourself honestly, if you were assessing the case, would you be prepared to issue the visa? If on any of the questions the honest answer is no, then go away and work on it again until you are completely satisfied with the answer.

It is hard work, but if you really want your girlfriend to come to England then it should be worth it.

With regards to using an agency or not, it comes down to your level of confidence in your own ability to put the application together yourself.

If you feel you can do this, then do it yourself because no one can ever have as much invested in the case as you personally, but if you are not confident, or haven't the time and you can afford to do so, then get an agency involved.

I personally did it myself (with a huge amount of help from many contributors to this forum) so have had no direct involvement with agencies, but to echo the words of many on here, postings; pm's and a phone call with Scouser of Davis Khan were invaluable and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend listening to his advice.

Good Luck with everything.

[Mahout Angrit]

Sorry USB I've tried to arrange the following statements to make some sense but failed.

I have only seen her the one time 14 days November 2006

I send 12000 bhat per month

have also have paid for her haircutting course

so im not a naive target for Thai charms

Good luck with your visa applications

[Andrew Hicks]

HI Mahout,

Thanks for replying.

As for Need to return, She works in a Beauty Parlour, as a Barbour and masseus, It a legit place, shes qualified and has certificates in both.

She has a letter from her boss guaranteeing a job on her return. She also has property and a car in Thailand.

She also returned legally on her previous visit.

As for always an English person, she does have two sisters married and working here, The first two applications were to see them, the third was to an english guy she met over here.

If she cannot take an agent into the interview with her, can she take a friend, or me, or at least an interpreter, the English she does have deteriorates the more flustered she gets.

Thanks again

USB

The Diplomatic Service Procedures which govern the process for visa interviews etc say that entry clearance officers at their discretion may allow a sponsor/friend to attend with the applicant at their interview, that they may take notes but not participate. You may ask for permission to attend but they are entitled to refuse.

The interview will generally be conducted by an English ECO whose questions will be put to the applicant in Thai by an interpreter.

I have to say that an applicant possibly wanting ultimately to live in UK should not be a reason for refusal in itself. They should come up with a more substantial reason for refusal than that.

Choke dee khap!

Andrew Hicks

[garrieoz]

Hi,

A Thai BG I have known for a number of years (purely as a friend) has been proposed to by a guy from England who has been her sponsor her for about a year.

I am very happy for her, because she very obviously likes (maybe loves?) him, and it is a chance for her to leave the bar permanently & have a better future, eventually for her two kids as well.

She is a very nice person, mid thirties, somewhat uneducated, who has saved hard & does own her own property in the NE with some savings remaining. I don't imagine her assets are all that much by farang standards, but for NE Thai, better than many. Her English is good, but very obviously learned in a bar. She dresses & carries herself well, and does not look like a BG. However, Thais I know say they can tell (only from) her speech what her background is. She has been in the bars the last four years without a 'straight job'.

I am a little concerned that she is being 'strung along' and that this is the next in a series of delaying tactics for this guy to keep her 'on the shelf' but out of the bar, at his disposal when he visits Thailand. This is because he seems to have made no preparations, except for an informal wedding in Isaan, I expect she will ensure that it is properly registered. As far as I can tell he hasn't asked her to prepare any paperwork, prepare for embassy meetings etc. It seems the plan is he arrives, they get married & then see about getting her to England.

He is late forties, divorced, not overly wealthy (as a result), a tradesman with a reasonable income.

She fully expects to return to England with him, but from what I have heard that is unrealistic.

I would appreciate your thoughts, since you all seem to know the necessary processes, as to how realistic this approach is and in what timeframe? Is it possible or is she being 'strung along'?

Cheers,

Garrett

Edited July 2, 2007 by garrieoz