Dan O Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, Saanim said: Can you share your knowledge about that? Nothing to share. Its common sense that if the issue raised is Thailand companies or govt uses inmates in prison to make any products and then selling them to anyone else anywhere is a thai issue to continue or to stop. If the US or any other country decides not to buy those products because of the conditions of mfr that may be the proper response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cncltd1973 Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 On 2/25/2022 at 5:14 PM, bbko said: I'm sure I'm a little off on this, but when it comes to prison work force, big woo hoo. Convicts being exploited.....Karma is a B%*^$. idle hands are the devil's workshop, as the saying goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saanim Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 41 minutes ago, Dan O said: Nothing to share. Its common sense that if the issue raised is Thailand companies or govt uses inmates in prison to make any products and then selling them to anyone else anywhere is a thai issue to continue or to stop. If the US or any other country decides not to buy those products because of the conditions of mfr that may be the proper response. Actually, I was interested about your knowledge about the forced labour in Thai prisons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hammer2021 Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 On 2/26/2022 at 4:22 AM, RandiRona said: Hahaha...like the capitalist in any country care. What they care are more profits... There have been efforts for centuries to balance profits with care. There are all kinds of people checking working conditions and companies are subject to controls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hammer2021 Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 24 minutes ago, cncltd1973 said: idle hands are the devil's workshop, as the saying goes Not a saying that meets the criteria of having any great meaning. It's has often been used by Christians as a justification for slave labour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hammer2021 Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Alas enforced/slave labour is common in the USA, China and many countries. It was the English literary set who first campaigned against it after the treatment of Oscar Wilde during his time in Reading Goal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan O Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 46 minutes ago, Saanim said: Actually, I was interested about your knowledge about the forced labour in Thai prisons. I only know whats been reported repeatedly in the press over many years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebike Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 On 2/26/2022 at 4:57 AM, Dan O said: Free profits as the result of forced labor of inmates in Thai jails for thai companies has nothing to do with any other country. Its a thai issue to solve and stop. If notifying the US or any other country about the issue helps then absolutely they should speak up. I'm sure they are not passing on those free profits to any customer You do realize that prison labour is a thing in the USA too, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan O Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 3 hours ago, mikebike said: You do realize that prison labour is a thing in the USA too, right? Yes but that has nothing to do with the OP or what I wrote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saanim Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 11 hours ago, Dan O said: I only know whats been reported repeatedly in the press over many years Then, you surely are taking in account that there is a press you can believe and there is also a press that is stereotypically repeating anything without knowing - and caring - how it really is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan O Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 6 hours ago, Saanim said: Then, you surely are taking in account that there is a press you can believe and there is also a press that is stereotypically repeating anything without knowing - and caring - how it really is. This has been reported for years and also acknowledged by thai officials in the past. You comment like people are making up the truth. Very sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pique Dard Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 On 2/27/2022 at 6:10 AM, Myran said: No, you absolutely didn't read that right. excellent! we now agree there are many other violations. so i expect you to tell me WHY "Prominent labor and human rights organizations" don't protest against those (violations) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzaa09 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 On 2/27/2022 at 7:26 AM, The Hammer2021 said: Alas enforced/slave labour is common in the USA, China and many countries. It was the English literary set who first campaigned against it after the treatment of Oscar Wilde during his time in Reading Goal. It's ok when the good guys get on with such barbaric activities......even looked upon [and excused for] as civilised in some twisted manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saanim Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 18 hours ago, Dan O said: This has been reported for years and also acknowledged by thai officials in the past. You comment like people are making up the truth. Very sad If something has been reported for years (where?) it does convince you that it is true? (who did it say about sufficiently repeating lies?) Whether Thai officials also acknowledged it in the past? That would be really the first time in Thai govt history of admitting of something bad. Please provide the link. There are so many in Thailand who knows it pretty well, but not from "reporting"... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myran Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 8 hours ago, Pique Dard said: excellent! we now agree there are many other violations. so i expect you to tell me WHY "Prominent labor and human rights organizations" don't protest against those (violations) No idea why you would expect me to explain that. I suggest you contact the organizations in question and ask them yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan O Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 8 hours ago, Saanim said: If something has been reported for years (where?) it does convince you that it is true? (who did it say about sufficiently repeating lies?) Whether Thai officials also acknowledged it in the past? That would be really the first time in Thai govt history of admitting of something bad. Please provide the link. There are so many in Thailand who knows it pretty well, but not from "reporting"... Not sure why you want to imply its not happening. Its up to you to believe what you want. I guess if you don't see it yourself its not real Have a good day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pique Dard Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 On 3/1/2022 at 8:59 AM, Myran said: No idea why you would expect me to explain that. I suggest you contact the organizations in question and ask them yourself. lol! but it was you telling me i read wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan O Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 For all the doubters, I guess the Govt pledge in the Bangkok Post puts to rest if there is forced labor actions in the Prison system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myran Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 11 hours ago, Pique Dard said: lol! but it was you telling me i read wrong! Right, because you did. Nowhere does it say that fishin gear manufacturing is the only area with violations. That seems to be something you made up yourself. Acknowledging one problem isn't a proclamation that no other problems exist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Drake Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 On 2/27/2022 at 9:28 PM, Dan O said: If the US or any other country decides not to buy those products because of the conditions of mfr that may be the proper response. They (KKFN) are not selling anything to the US. There is nothing to stop buying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pique Dard Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 On 3/3/2022 at 7:05 AM, Myran said: Right, because you did. Nowhere does it say that fishin gear manufacturing is the only area with violations. That seems to be something you made up yourself. Acknowledging one problem isn't a proclamation that no other problems exist. sorry for taking time before answering! i had a good laughter reading your answer, because you are saying exactly what i meant by asking if the fishing gear manufacturing...violations, i.e. THERE ARE OTHER VIOLATIONS, some more serious, yet no one protests. i rest my case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myran Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 3 hours ago, Pique Dard said: sorry for taking time before answering! i had a good laughter reading your answer, because you are saying exactly what i meant by asking if the fishing gear manufacturing...violations, i.e. THERE ARE OTHER VIOLATIONS, some more serious, yet no one protests. i rest my case. Again: "Acknowledging one problem isn't a proclamation that no other problems exist." Are you saying that the human rights organizations shouldn't bring up problems unless they can list every single problem in every single industry? With your "logic", no one can complain or bring up issues, because they can't mention them all and there are always bigger problems. Better to just keep silent about them all, rather than protesting against some of them, right? Not to mention that this particular protest is based on a report specifically about production of fishing nets, so it makes perfect sense that their complaint is specifically about that. It's like commenting on a local news story about pot holes in the local street being a problem, by writing: "But what about the starving children in Africa? Why aren't you addressing that?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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