By Erich Parpart

 

Former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra did not rule out the possibility of his Pheu Thai Party working with Palang Pracharath Party (PPRP) after the next general election in a late night club house session.

 

“There is no deal, I swear, no one came to talk to me,” former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra said during a Clubhouse session arranged by CARE Group on Tuesday evening.  

 

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Local news reported over the past week that the “3 Ps”, including Prime Minister Prayut Chan-ocha, Deputy Prime Minister Prawit Wongsuwan and Interior Minister Anupong Paochinda, was seeking to make political deals with Thaksin over the two-ballot electoral system and the upcoming censure debate.

 

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How often did he tell the public that he has nothing to do with politics anymore?

And how often did Pheu Thai pretend he is not their leader anymore?

How can someone like that talk about important decisions about government in Thailand?

The obvious answer is: He and his party were lying all the time. He is involved in politics and he wants to continue with his involvement.

 

And any article about him should include that he is since years a wanted criminal. He was convicted to jail many years ago. And there are many unfinished lawsuits which likely will add many years of jail time on top of that.

 

Anybody in Thai politics who continues to work together with a convicted criminal should be excluded from Thai politics. Thailand will never have an honest government with criminals and people who support criminals.

 

And because I am sure there will be some replies to this: I mean all convicted criminals.

A troll post using inappropriate language has been reported and removed.

3 hours ago, webfact said:

“There is no deal, I swear, no one came to talk to me,” former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra

with the things the current govt is doing  he probably is starting to look good again for many that were against him but he is a convicted criminal and as mentioned above has more charges against him if he ever returns sp it does make it  hard to believe. Trouble is with thai politicians they simply cannot be trusted in most cases, lying is in their dna, telling the truth is simply something they refuse to do, when we finally see a politician that starts being honest with the people they are attacked by the govt, especially when they know they are becoming popular and are a threat to them staying in power. While I do not like thaksin I think anyone that can remove th current govt from power to stop all th BS going on may well be a good thing, at least then we may see an end to the forced rule and stacking of the parliament

3 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

How often did he tell the public that he has nothing to do with politics anymore?

And how often did Pheu Thai pretend he is not their leader anymore?

How can someone like that talk about important decisions about government in Thailand?

The obvious answer is: He and his party were lying all the time. He is involved in politics and he wants to continue with his involvement.

 

And any article about him should include that he is since years a wanted criminal. He was convicted to jail many years ago. And there are many unfinished lawsuits which likely will add many years of jail time on top of that.

 

Anybody in Thai politics who continues to work together with a convicted criminal should be excluded from Thai politics. Thailand will never have an honest government with criminals and people who support criminals.

 

And because I am sure there will be some replies to this: I mean all convicted criminals.

Coups (that you supported) are one of the main reasons Thailand cannot have a functioning, democratic, political system.

 

They erode the rule of law and the democratic process.

 

I don't think you understand the irony of supporting the overthrow of an elected administration by autocratic Generals and then claiming Thaksin is a wanted criminal, when those charges and convictions were brought by the very same people that used illegal means to overthrow him in the first place.

 

Regardless of evidence, the coups and other machinations used to destabilise subsequent administrations affiliated with him now render those convictions and charges politically motivated.

 

You do see how that works right?

8 hours ago, webfact said:

his Pheu Thai Party

Oops... I thought he said he was not involved anymore and held no longer any clout in the party.

Edited March 31, 20224 yr by Misterwhisper

1 hour ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Coups (that you supported) are one of the main reasons Thailand cannot have a functioning, democratic, political system.

 

They erode the rule of law and the democratic process.

 

I don't think you understand the irony of supporting the overthrow of an elected administration by autocratic Generals and then claiming Thaksin is a wanted criminal, when those charges and convictions were brought by the very same people that used illegal means to overthrow him in the first place.

 

Regardless of evidence, the coups and other machinations used to destabilise subsequent administrations affiliated with him now render those convictions and charges politically motivated.

 

You do see how that works right?

Bla Bla Bla

 

Politically motivated? If a politician robs a bank and he is prosecuted for that and convicted, is that politically motivated? Or is it just a robber who was also a politician?

There is no doubt that Thaksin is a criminal. The evidence is obvious and in the open. Everybody who claims he is innocent is blind or ignorant or lying.

 

Thaksin undermined the Thai police, prosecution and judges. This is why he could get away with his crimes for so long. At some stage enough was enough and the military removed him the only way which was possible to remove him. They should get medals for removing that criminal.

 

If Thaksin would have been honest and if he would have worked for the people and if he wouldn't have been so greedy then he could still be PM. But he was very corrupt and greedy and he did everything to stay in power. He should not be surprised that the military removed him. And let's not forget when the military removed him and the soldiers were on the streets for a few days many Thais gave flowers to the soldiers because they were happy that finally someone removed that corrupt criminal..

Maybe you don't want to know about reality and maybe you continue to close your eyes and support your criminal hero. But that doesn't mean he is innocent. Just study the news from the time when Thaksin was in charge and speak with people who experienced Thaksin. But then again you don't want to see reality so better keep your eyes and ears shut and pretend you know the truth.

 

 

Electing Thaksin (oops PT) will lead as it always does in this country to a coup and military rule again.

 

I think the young people are going to have to be more involved and people are going to have to be aware that this is the case.

 

Personally I think he shot the party in the area below the belly button and between the legs.  The last thing most people want is more of the PPRP.  

 

I think that a lot of people will be3 reading and hearing this when  the next election is called and will be told that a vote for PT will be a vote for PPRP

A silver tongued crook, or a generalissimo, or both.  With a large part of a populous that think selling their vote is OK, Thailand will no doubt just be destined to repeat its mistakes ad infinitum.

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Bla Bla Bla

 

Politically motivated? If a politician robs a bank and he is prosecuted for that and convicted, is that politically motivated? Or is it just a robber who was also a politician?

There is no doubt that Thaksin is a criminal. The evidence is obvious and in the open. Everybody who claims he is innocent is blind or ignorant or lying.

 

Thaksin undermined the Thai police, prosecution and judges. This is why he could get away with his crimes for so long. At some stage enough was enough and the military removed him the only way which was possible to remove him. They should get medals for removing that criminal.

 

If Thaksin would have been honest and if he would have worked for the people and if he wouldn't have been so greedy then he could still be PM. But he was very corrupt and greedy and he did everything to stay in power. He should not be surprised that the military removed him. And let's not forget when the military removed him and the soldiers were on the streets for a few days many Thais gave flowers to the soldiers because they were happy that finally someone removed that corrupt criminal..

Maybe you don't want to know about reality and maybe you continue to close your eyes and support your criminal hero. But that doesn't mean he is innocent. Just study the news from the time when Thaksin was in charge and speak with people who experienced Thaksin. But then again you don't want to see reality so better keep your eyes and ears shut and pretend you know the truth.

 

 

No you don't get the irony as I suspected. 

6 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

How often did he tell the public that he has nothing to do with politics anymore?

And how often did Pheu Thai pretend he is not their leader anymore?

How can someone like that talk about important decisions about government in Thailand?

The obvious answer is: He and his party were lying all the time. He is involved in politics and he wants to continue with his involvement.

 

And any article about him should include that he is since years a wanted criminal. He was convicted to jail many years ago. And there are many unfinished lawsuits which likely will add many years of jail time on top of that.

 

Anybody in Thai politics who continues to work together with a convicted criminal should be excluded from Thai politics. Thailand will never have an honest government with criminals and people who support criminals.

 

And because I am sure there will be some replies to this: I mean all convicted criminals.

What about the soldiers who stole the country, what they did was a criminal act forcing an elected government out of office. These soldiers may not be convicted criminals, they are worse than that.

It is only because they are soldiers with many guns that they cannot be convicted, there is no one to convict them.

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Bla Bla Bla

 

Politically motivated? If a politician robs a bank and he is prosecuted for that and convicted, is that politically motivated? Or is it just a robber who was also a politician?

There is no doubt that Thaksin is a criminal. The evidence is obvious and in the open. Everybody who claims he is innocent is blind or ignorant or lying.

 

Thaksin undermined the Thai police, prosecution and judges. This is why he could get away with his crimes for so long. At some stage enough was enough and the military removed him the only way which was possible to remove him. They should get medals for removing that criminal.

 

If Thaksin would have been honest and if he would have worked for the people and if he wouldn't have been so greedy then he could still be PM. But he was very corrupt and greedy and he did everything to stay in power. He should not be surprised that the military removed him. And let's not forget when the military removed him and the soldiers were on the streets for a few days many Thais gave flowers to the soldiers because they were happy that finally someone removed that corrupt criminal..

Maybe you don't want to know about reality and maybe you continue to close your eyes and support your criminal hero. But that doesn't mean he is innocent. Just study the news from the time when Thaksin was in charge and speak with people who experienced Thaksin. But then again you don't want to see reality so better keep your eyes and ears shut and pretend you know the truth.

 

 

Your frustration with Thaksin seems not to improve ......????

Wait untill yo go see the election result ....expected to be as usual ????

 

The majority of Thai people like them all Shinawatras ...nothing you can do against ...their choice ....their vote 

And probably going to be stolen from them again i guess...

 

1 hour ago, kingstonkid said:

Electing Thaksin (oops PT) will lead as it always does in this country to a coup and military rule again.

 

I think the young people are going to have to be more involved and people are going to have to be aware that this is the case.

 

Personally I think he shot the party in the area below the belly button and between the legs.  The last thing most people want is more of the PPRP.  

 

I think that a lot of people will be3 reading and hearing this when  the next election is called and will be told that a vote for PT will be a vote for PPRP

Do you really think that if any non-yellow party, such as Move Forward, would be elected, they would be allowed to govern and implement their program? Really?

13 minutes ago, david555 said:

Your frustration with Thaksin seems not to improve ......????

Wait untill yo go see the election result ....expected to be as usual ????

 

The majority of Thai people like them all Shinawatras ...nothing you can do against ...their choice ....their vote 

And probably going to be stolen from them again i guess...

 

Sure they are still 'popular'

 

But is popular the right word / the only word.

 

Yes he gave the populace the 30Baht health scheme (a good scheme). (Actually it wasn't in their policies at all until the dems floated the scheme in their policy offerings, then the paymasters mob grabbed it and touted it as their policy.

 

Also true he gave every village 1Million Baht but what happened to the 1Million Baht. In many villages very large numbers of people bought mobile phones (but of course someone made big profits). This was in the days of telephone top up cards and it was soon realised that a large % of the new mobile owners couldn't afford to buy even the lowest price telephone cards, so his company then offered 10Baht cards.

 

My Thai son's buddy has a royal ML title, his mother was in a snr gov't position when the paymasters mob came in and she was appointed to an oversight committee to monitor how the 1M village funds were being spent. She raised objected and quickly resigned when she was told seriously to shut up.

 

Lets' not forget that vote buying was rampant and with came fear amongst many village folks and they towed the line and put their mark where told.

 

Many of the paymesters old scaly cronies are still representatives in the gov't today and I've got little doubt that in some maybe many villages the villagers are still very wary and will still wave their paymasters flag when told to.

 

After all these cronies still visit him on his birthday in Dubai every year for his birthday. Why do they do that? Obvious, they're hoping he will get back in power and their trough arrangements will return. So they make sure they are still on the favorites list.

 

 

Edited March 31, 20224 yr by scorecard

2 hours ago, Misterwhisper said:

I thought he said he was not involved anymore

With respect, through his daughter!

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Bla Bla Bla

 

Politically motivated? If a politician robs a bank and he is prosecuted for that and convicted, is that politically motivated? Or is it just a robber who was also a politician?

There is no doubt that Thaksin is a criminal. The evidence is obvious and in the open. Everybody who claims he is innocent is blind or ignorant or lying.

 

Thaksin undermined the Thai police, prosecution and judges. This is why he could get away with his crimes for so long. At some stage enough was enough and the military removed him the only way which was possible to remove him. They should get medals for removing that criminal.

 

If Thaksin would have been honest and if he would have worked for the people and if he wouldn't have been so greedy then he could still be PM. But he was very corrupt and greedy and he did everything to stay in power. He should not be surprised that the military removed him. And let's not forget when the military removed him and the soldiers were on the streets for a few days many Thais gave flowers to the soldiers because they were happy that finally someone removed that corrupt criminal..

Maybe you don't want to know about reality and maybe you continue to close your eyes and support your criminal hero. But that doesn't mean he is innocent. Just study the news from the time when Thaksin was in charge and speak with people who experienced Thaksin. But then again you don't want to see reality so better keep your eyes and ears shut and pretend you know the truth.

 

 

It's a nice fairy tale, but he was not removed because he was corrupt, they are all corrupt anyway: the removed, the removers, and the unremoved. He was removed because he challenged the dominant yellow/green network, and also because he had a good relation with someone who was not positively considered by the dominant network.

It's just an issue of having a preference for the lesser evil. For me, elected crooks are a lesser evil than unelected crooks who cannot be held accountable of anything.

9 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

How often did he tell the public that he has nothing to do with politics anymore?

And how often did Pheu Thai pretend he is not their leader anymore?

How can someone like that talk about important decisions about government in Thailand?

The obvious answer is: He and his party were lying all the time. He is involved in politics and he wants to continue with his involvement.

 

And any article about him should include that he is since years a wanted criminal. He was convicted to jail many years ago. And there are many unfinished lawsuits which likely will add many years of jail time on top of that.

 

Anybody in Thai politics who continues to work together with a convicted criminal should be excluded from Thai politics. Thailand will never have an honest government with criminals and people who support criminals.

 

And because I am sure there will be some replies to this: I mean all convicted criminals.

They really know how to jerk your chain don't they?

 

 

Edited March 31, 20224 yr by Enoon

Incidentally, as it's the subject of the "news" item.

 

There is no evidence, in the article, of him even being asked if he would work with them.

 

The only question that he seems to have been asked, and answered, is if he had been approached.

 

The only person who has stated that they would not rule out a deal is Prawit.

 

 

Edited March 31, 20224 yr by Enoon

2 hours ago, possum1931 said:

What about the soldiers who stole the country, what they did was a criminal act forcing an elected government out of office. These soldiers may not be convicted criminals, they are worse than that.

It is only because they are soldiers with many guns that they cannot be convicted, there is no one to convict them.

Currently nobody is convicting the soldiers. Exactly like nobody convicted Thaksin while he was in charge. Let's wait a few years and look what will happen.  

2 hours ago, david555 said:

Your frustration with Thaksin seems not to improve ......????

Wait untill yo go see the election result ....expected to be as usual ????

 

The majority of Thai people like them all Shinawatras ...nothing you can do against ...their choice ....their vote 

And probably going to be stolen from them again i guess...

 

Is it my fault when the uneducated uninformed farmers vote again for the criminal or one of his family members? I am sure if they want to do that they will do that. And if another Shinawatra will become PM and if he/she does what all Shinawatras seem to do then likely there will be another coup. I am looking forward to bring the soldiers some soft drinks.

I'd be curious as to the numbers here that follow the Care group/Clubhouse sessions on any regular [almost everyday] basis or Voice TV programming [???]- both operated by the Shinawatra holdings. 

 

What is usually purveyed/promoted and what is sensationalized by way of outside news worthy accounts are two different beasts. 

35 minutes ago, Enoon said:

They really know how to jerk your chain don't they?

 

 

Some are obviously too easy....????

27 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Currently nobody is convicting the soldiers. Exactly like nobody convicted Thaksin while he was in charge. Let's wait a few years and look what will happen.  

Excellent answer, I cannot comment on Thaksin as I know very little about him, but I would rather have any elected government than these soldiers who are there now. IMO, they are even manipulating the Baht to suit there own ends, look how week it has been from 2014 onwards.

Welcome back Thaksin Shinawatra. Thailand needs to get rid of these clowns in uniform after years of destruction process.

3 hours ago, scorecard said:

Sure they are still 'popular'

 

But is popular the right word / the only word.

 

Yes he gave the populace the 30Baht health scheme (a good scheme). (Actually it wasn't in their policies at all until the dems floated the scheme in their policy offerings, then the paymasters mob grabbed it and touted it as their policy.

 

Also true he gave every village 1Million Baht but what happened to the 1Million Baht. In many villages very large numbers of people bought mobile phones (but of course someone made big profits). This was in the days of telephone top up cards and it was soon realised that a large % of the new mobile owners couldn't afford to buy even the lowest price telephone cards, so his company then offered 10Baht cards.

 

My Thai son's buddy has a royal ML title, his mother was in a snr gov't position when the paymasters mob came in and she was appointed to an oversight committee to monitor how the 1M village funds were being spent. She raised objected and quickly resigned when she was told seriously to shut up.

 

Lets' not forget that vote buying was rampant and with came fear amongst many village folks and they towed the line and put their mark where told.

 

Many of the paymesters old scaly cronies are still representatives in the gov't today and I've got little doubt that in some maybe many villages the villagers are still very wary and will still wave their paymasters flag when told to.

 

After all these cronies still visit him on his birthday in Dubai every year for his birthday. Why do they do that? Obvious, they're hoping he will get back in power and their trough arrangements will return. So they make sure they are still on the favorites list.

 

 

Many of your points are done also by the yellow .....call it a Thai habit  555   but Thaksin & co are doing at least something for the common people .....and they are never forgetting that ....

48 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Is it my fault when the uneducated uninformed farmers vote again for the criminal or one of his family members? I am sure if they want to do that they will do that. And if another Shinawatra will become PM and if he/she does what all Shinawatras seem to do then likely there will be another coup. I am looking forward to bring the soldiers some soft drinks.

About the convictions orchestrated by those who staged the coup ...... how come western governments and others never took any request from the coup gov. concerning him serious ? As they understand it was just to keep him out of politics , in Russia a same one is in jail and jailed even further  more ...... same tactics used , ....the world watch and understand ....

23 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

Excellent answer, I cannot comment on Thaksin as I know very little about him, but I would rather have any elected government than these soldiers who are there now. IMO, they are even manipulating the Baht to suit there own ends, look how week it has been from 2014 onwards.

Obviously the following is only my humble opinion: I lived in Bangkok all the time when Thaksin came to power, when he made those infamous "honest mistakes", when he ordered the killing of thousands of drug suspects, when he enriched himself, his family and his cronies in blatant ways, when he sold his company for huge amounts of money and did not pay taxes, and and and. The list goes on and on. Just reading the newspaper everyday the question came up all the time: what next? when will people stop him? And then they stopped him. And then later his little incompetent sister, he called her his clone, was the official PM and he told her what to do. More of the same.

I understand when people didn't experience this time that they think maybe Thaksin was not so bad because lots of people support him. But anybody who lived in Thailand at that time and who paid attention should remember all that headache. Never again! 

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Is it my fault when the uneducated uninformed farmers vote again for the criminal or one of his family members? I am sure if they want to do that they will do that. And if another Shinawatra will become PM and if he/she does what all Shinawatras seem to do then likely there will be another coup. I am looking forward to bring the soldiers some soft drinks.

Their excuse is that they're a product of a class system which benefits from them being uneducated. What's your excuse?

3 minutes ago, david555 said:

About the convictions orchestrated by those who staged the coup ...... how come western governments and others never took any request from the coup gov. concerning him serious ? As they understand it was just to keep him out of politics , in Russia a same one is in jail and jailed even further  more ...... same tactics used , ....the world watch and understand ....

Does the world understand? Does the world care? Look at the infamous Ferrari cop killer, does Interpol work to arrest him? Were Bush and Cheney prosecuted for their war crimes? Lots of international criminals get away with murder. When they are not arrested doesn't mean they are innocent. 

With Thaksin lots of what he did can be easily be researched in newspaper archives - if people want to do that. But it seems for many it is so much easier to listen to Noi and Nit. If they say he was good then he must have been a good man. 555