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Posted
4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

They won't but nice sentiment.

I'm more concerned about the Putin loving coming out of India as they are a major power.

China of course is a lost cause.

Of course, India sides with Putin. Both countries are led by authoritarian rulers who justify their power through rabid nationalist ideologies. You should read the Indian press and the interviews with people on the street. They make Russians look like Quakers. Plus India has sided with Russia against the West since its inception. India is a far greater threat than China, which whatever the complaints, tends to act rationally and predictably in foreign affairs. China's growth after all is due solely to the Clintons and Bushes selling the farm in order to get cheap trinkets in return.

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9 hours ago, Inala said:

If Russia is counting you as a friend, then you know deep down inside that you're doing something wrong. Talk about setting a low benchmark for your country...
Is Thailand so desperate for tourists that they would side with a psychopath? 

The quick answer is yes; because all they ever think about in Bangkok is MONEY !

 

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What Putin and his troops are doing in Ukraine is abhorrent, no question. Thailand's stance in all of this is a side-show, not to be even a footnote in history. 

 

Aside from the hysterical chants that he is a psychopath or a megalomaniac, what does a reasoned analysis of the bigger picture say? The man is an ex-KGB major, after all, and no doubt has an above-average appreciation of geopolitics.

 

He did not wake up one morning and say, "I think I will invade Ukraine today"; a lot of thought, analysis and planning would have gone into making the decision. It is also true to say that he has only wrought a small percentage of Russia's overall might upon Ukraine; he could have used the vast Soviet air-power to quickly bring the whole of Ukraine to its figurative knees. But he hasn't done so. What is the game-plan?

 

What too, is the endgame? Mr Putin will surely have one in mind. We have yet to see it play out.

 

And to the poster who said wars are all about money, I agree wholeheartedly. There are bankers and middlemen no doubt rubbing their grubby little hands with glee, for, no matter the outcome, they will exit far richer than when they went into the war.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, John Drake said:

Of course, India sides with Putin. Both countries are led by authoritarian rulers who justify their power through rabid nationalist ideologies. You should read the Indian press and the interviews with people on the street. They make Russians look like Quakers. Plus India has sided with Russia against the West since its inception. India is a far greater threat than China, which whatever the complaints, tends to act rationally and predictably in foreign affairs. China's growth after all is due solely to the Clintons and Bushes selling the farm in order to get cheap trinkets in return.

Perhaps you should be telling Australia that, it is in the process of signing a very large trade agreement with India, and also is the venue of choice for many young Indians seeking tertiary qualifications.

AFAIK India is still a democracy, it sides with Russia because the majority of its military hardware is sourced from there. Although given the performance of Russian equipment in Ukraine, it should be having second thoughts.

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Somebody will eventually get a sniper and he will be enjoying the depths and fire of hell with Hitler.

The Russian people leaving Thailand and across the world will have some truths to tell their friends family and colleagues when they return.

Glory to Ukraine

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4 minutes ago, allanos said:

 

He did not wake up one morning and say, "I think I will invade Ukraine today"; a lot of thought, analysis and planning would have gone into making the decision. It is also true to say that he has only wrought a small percentage of Russia's overall might upon Ukraine; he could have used the vast Soviet air-power to quickly bring the whole of Ukraine to its figurative knees. But he hasn't done so. What is the game-plan?

 

 

 

 

That thought, analysis and planning was deficient, because Putin had surrounded himself with yes-men. He did not have anyone in his inner circle of advisers to say this is a bad idea.

Russia does not have undisputed control of Ukrainian airspace. America had total control of the skies over Vietnam and Afghanistan, wars are won or lost on the ground.

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"That thought, analysis and planning was deficient, because Putin had surrounded himself with yes-men. He did not have anyone in his inner circle of advisers to say this is a bad idea".

 

Do you have intimate knowledge of this, or is it simply conjecture on your part? Are you privy

to the strategic inputs of Soviet central command?

 

"Russia does not have undisputed control of Ukrainian airspace".

 

No, but they could have, if they wanted it, and was my point which you have overlooked.

 

 

Posted
1 hour ago, vandeventer said:

Not so right this time. India is a democrat and republic state since 1947 and the worlds population is 7,953,952,577 

BS.

Those mentioned countries are allied and voted for Putin in UN.

(I'm not counting little countries as eg Vanuatu or Seychellen also)

So take in account that 3 billion people agree with Putin.

And half of the world are undemocratic states.

 

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13 minutes ago, Inala said:

It's actually a fact that some people crave mega rules and thrive under authoritarian rule. All decision making is taken out of their hands and the state provides a huge amount of their day to day needs. My father is like this. He can't tell a lie, he can't break even the most insignificant rule. He would do well under authoritarian rule. But for the majority of us, we want to leave a life of freedom.

Would point out, having spent a little time in China, and a lot of time in the UK, China appeared freer than the nanny state that is the UK. Suspect America is the same with very little personal freedom.

 

As for Russia and the Ukraine, it's a long way away, and I don't really care if people I don't know and probably wouldn't like kill each other.

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2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I would like to see more of the world beyond the west unite against Putin. Japan and Australia are western.

Australia as much as they hate to admit it is now and always has been a part of asia. Geograpically at the very least

Posted
1 hour ago, allanos said:

What Putin and his troops are doing in Ukraine is abhorrent, no question. Thailand's stance in all of this is a side-show, not to be even a footnote in history. 

 

Aside from the hysterical chants that he is a psychopath or a megalomaniac, what does a reasoned analysis of the bigger picture say? The man is an ex-KGB major, after all, and no doubt has an above-average appreciation of geopolitics.

 

He did not wake up one morning and say, "I think I will invade Ukraine today"; a lot of thought, analysis and planning would have gone into making the decision. It is also true to say that he has only wrought a small percentage of Russia's overall might upon Ukraine; he could have used the vast Soviet air-power to quickly bring the whole of Ukraine to its figurative knees. But he hasn't done so. What is the game-plan?

 

What too, is the endgame? Mr Putin will surely have one in mind. We have yet to see it play out.

 

And to the poster who said wars are all about money, I agree wholeheartedly. There are bankers and middlemen no doubt rubbing their grubby little hands with glee, for, no matter the outcome, they will exit far richer than when they went into the war.

 

 

Yes and moat of those in the position to make the most money are? Drumroll please, Raytheon, Grumman, lockheed martin et al. Now where have i heard those names before?

 

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/03/11/these-members-of-congress-could-make-profit-us-arms-shipments-ukraine.html

Posted
8 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Would point out, having spent a little time in China, and a lot of time in the UK, China appeared freer than the nanny state that is the UK. Suspect America is the same with very little personal freedom.

 

As for Russia and the Ukraine, it's a long way away, and I don't really care if people I don't know and probably wouldn't like kill each other.

I'm not sure that's a fair comparison. You went for a holiday to China but you lived and worked in the UK. I've also been to China for a few days years ago and in no way would I be able to give a just comparison on how it would actually be like to live/work there under its rules and regulations as opposed to the UK where I grew up and lived.

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6 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

India abstained and as I said they buy cheap Russian oil. What I don't understand is why America doesn't open up the oil fields and sell oil and gas to the EU and lower the price of gas in the USA.

With oil isn't it a bit more complicated than just opening up supply lines? Something to do with how OPEC control the world oil supply / price. 

I think it's the same reason why the UK can't just simply take more oil from the North Sea to relieve the fuel price issues there. 

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11 hours ago, hotchilli said:

So the bombed-out totally destroyed public buildings are lies?

 

I have often thought about this - why would they bomb civilian areas as they would obviously know it would end up in the media. Whilst serving in Afghanistan we were often in contact with the Taliban sniping, shooting, remotely detonating bombs from "built-up areas", with some restraint we often dealt with this by withdrawing and taking into account collateral damage etc. We had clear rules of engagement, different from say our US counterparts, who often simply calling in air support to deal with it. Perhaps thats what the Russian have done - I don't know if these building were being used for military purposes - therefore using any civilians as "Shields" do any of us know for sure? Last year the government of Ukraine was being painted as evil and corrupt by the West now they far from it. As mentioned many times propaganda from all sides hides the truth - There was even a news story recently where there was a line of supposedly dead civilians behind someone being interview - but you could see people moving under the sheets covering them... I'm not on the ground so cant comment on whats going on - But I have been in situations I'd rather forget, and I know there are always two perspectives and the ease of social media can corrupt - Just saying...

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5 minutes ago, DaveCW said:

 As mentioned many times propaganda from all sides hides the truth - There was even a news story recently where there was a line of supposedly dead civilians behind someone being interview - but you could see people moving under the sheets covering them... I'm not on the ground so cant comment on whats going on - But I have been in situations I'd rather forget, and I know there are always two perspectives and the ease of social media can corrupt - Just saying...

Being ex military maybe you should have checked that story recently as it was fake and the footage was from a climate change protest in Austria. 

 

Channel 5 spreads Russian disinfo with fake report on ‘fake’ deaths in Ukraine

 

Two hosts on an army-owned TV station falsely claimed that Ukrainian people “faked casualties” in a report that misrepresented footage from a climate change protest in Austria. 

The erroneous report by hosts Kanok Ratwongsakul and Teera Tanyapaibul came earlier this week in an episode of their Lao Khao Khon program on the Royal Thai Army’s Channel 5.

“Watch this footage, there’re corpses lying there, we believe they are Ukrainian people … Do you see those bodies in the bags? Some bodies are still moving,” said Kanok, a reporter known for his far-right stance and history of distorted reporting.

 

https://coconuts.co/bangkok/news/channel-5-spreads-russian-disinfo-with-fake-report-on-fake-deaths-in-ukraine/

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"Globally we are entering a very fragile state: is Asia ready?"

I would rather say it this way:"Western countries are entering a very fragile state: is Asia ready to fight for the West?"
And the answer should be: "And what about this face in the mirror? Why does not he go and fight for the West in the Ukraine? Why does he want Asia to fight for him instead?"

Posted
14 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Being ex military maybe you should have checked that story recently as it was fake and the footage was from a climate change protest in Austria. 

 

Channel 5 spreads Russian disinfo with fake report on ‘fake’ deaths in Ukraine

 

Two hosts on an army-owned TV station falsely claimed that Ukrainian people “faked casualties” in a report that misrepresented footage from a climate change protest in Austria. 

The erroneous report by hosts Kanok Ratwongsakul and Teera Tanyapaibul came earlier this week in an episode of their Lao Khao Khon program on the Royal Thai Army’s Channel 5.

“Watch this footage, there’re corpses lying there, we believe they are Ukrainian people … Do you see those bodies in the bags? Some bodies are still moving,” said Kanok, a reporter known for his far-right stance and history of distorted reporting.

 

https://coconuts.co/bangkok/news/channel-5-spreads-russian-disinfo-with-fake-report-on-fake-deaths-in-ukraine/

I was simply pointing out the pitfalls of so called news stories (n matter the media or platform) and the ease of which propaganda can be be disseminated - The premise of what I was saying still stands...

 

VMT for the link...

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43 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

India abstained and as I said they buy cheap Russian oil. What I don't understand is why America doesn't open up the oil fields and sell oil and gas to the EU and lower the price of gas in the USA.

They sell gas and oil.

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2 minutes ago, DaveCW said:

I was simply pointing out the pitfalls of so called news stories (n matter the media or platform) and the ease of which propaganda can be be disseminated - The premise of what I was saying still stands...

 

VMT for the link...

It does but in your points you finished off with spreading a fake story yourself. 

Posted
11 hours ago, StayinThailand2much said:

I just know, if it were correct, that the Thai government has 'NATO allies', or does the writer perhaps mean Western allies (e.g. the U.S.) that, accidentally, happen to be NATO members? Besides, Thailand over the past 15-20 years has more and more moved away from being allied with the West to being allied with, mostly, China, while still, at the same time, getting the benefits of U.S.-Thailand military exercises, and trade privileges.

 

Nowadays, the only country that Thailand doesn't want to 'upset' seems to be China, due to the fact that, economically, politically, and strategically all of Thailand's 'eggs' are in that red basket. 

Why was USA allowed in at beginning of Covid , no quarantine, Nothing for USA for high level meetings , I think respect for West is still

intact , trying to ride the fence obviously 

Posted
2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Would point out, having spent a little time in China, and a lot of time in the UK, China appeared freer than the nanny state that is the UK. Suspect America is the same with very little personal freedom.

 

As for Russia and the Ukraine, it's a long way away, and I don't really care if people I don't know and probably wouldn't like kill each other.

Appeared is the magic word 

Posted
3 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Perhaps you should be telling Australia that, it is in the process of signing a very large trade agreement with India, and also is the venue of choice for many young Indians seeking tertiary qualifications.

AFAIK India is still a democracy, it sides with Russia because the majority of its military hardware is sourced from there. Although given the performance of Russian equipment in Ukraine, it should be having second thoughts.

They are having second thoughts , they cancelled on Military Jet Deal already 

Posted
3 hours ago, allanos said:

"That thought, analysis and planning was deficient, because Putin had surrounded himself with yes-men. He did not have anyone in his inner circle of advisers to say this is a bad idea".

 

Do you have intimate knowledge of this, or is it simply conjecture on your part? Are you privy

to the strategic inputs of Soviet central command?

 

"Russia does not have undisputed control of Ukrainian airspace".

 

No, but they could have, if they wanted it, and was my point which you have overlooked.

 

 

There's a Latin aphorism, res ipsa loquitor. " The thing speaks for itself."

No intimate knowledge needed, the performance of the Russian military in Ukraine is ample evidence of the deficiencies beforehand. A stalled 50 km long column of Russian tanks and support vehicles does not speak to good planning, logistics or flexibility. Patton would be turning in his grave. Or p$$$ing himself laughing.

 

The Stingers, Javelins etc. are making life hard for Russian pilots and tank commanders, and they cost considerably less than an aircraft or tank. Perfect tools for counter-attacking.

 

Stingers helped the Afghans boot the Soviets out of their country, you'd think the Russians would have developed better defenses against them 30 years later. Apparently not, it's what happens to militaries when there is a bunch of kleptocrats running a country.

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Back in 1940 everyone had to rely on newspapers or Pathe News shown in the cinemas, just to find out what was actually happening.

Or what the government’s propaganda machines wanted us to know.

 

Its still the same!! nothing change.. all depends from which country/channels you are checking your news ...

Posted
3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Would point out, having spent a little time in China, and a lot of time in the UK, China appeared freer than the nanny state that is the UK. Suspect America is the same with very little personal freedom.

 

As for Russia and the Ukraine, it's a long way away, and I don't really care if people I don't know and probably wouldn't like kill each other.

LOL, personal freedom in the USA is mandatory. Ever heard of the NRA? In most states, one can ride a motorcycle without a helmet once they turn 21. Only 18 states have helmet laws. As for masks, a former president refused to wear one.

 

I suggest you check out mask and helmet laws in China, or perhaps you missed them with your rose-colored glasses.

 

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