Russian missiles strike Kyiv for first time in three weeks; Russia will soon exhaust its combat capabilities

[heybruce]

7 hours ago, lemmie said:

How many lives need to be lost because of this proxy war against Putin? Putin is on the glide path, he's holding some chips:, food and energy. Sanctions are hurting Russia, but maybe more pain on the West, and for how much longer. The sooner this is over, the better, get it?

Ask yourself why Pearl Harbor happened.

Why did Pearl Harbor happen?

 

Because Japan wanted to expand its empire (like Putin) and thought a swift major victory would keep the US out of its war of empire.

 

Are you one of those new trolls I've seen popping up here?  The newbies that post a flurry of "surrender to Russia" posts then disappear.

Edited June 27, 2022 by heybruce

[heybruce]

7 hours ago, lemmie said:

Time to cut the loses and get on with it, don't you think and agree?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-war-eastern-ukraine-gains-lysychansk/

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-06-24-22/h_32749f641e3b3cc3612c553da6421eec

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61920708

 

1,000's more will die in UA.

When Ukraine feels its time to cut its losses I'm sure the west will agree.

[heybruce]

7 hours ago, lemmie said:

A starving world with an energy crisis will get them scrambling like rats. But, should it progress this far, is that what you want to see?

Do you think Putin should be rewarded for intentionally starving the world?

[heybruce]

6 hours ago, lemmie said:

Biden (US) pumps more $$ into UA than all of the EU combined. If not for the western financing this proxy war UA would be hanging russian flags everywhere.

 

The U.S. remains the biggest overall contributor, with €42.7 billion, or about half of the commitments, while the EU has ponied up €27.2 billion across countries and European institutions. “It is remarkable that the US alone has committed considerably more than all EU countries combined, in whose immediate neighborhood the war is raging,” the paper notes.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/whos-really-helping-ukraine-voloymyr-zelensky-france-emmanuel-macron-russia-11655410110

Trying to make people think the US is doing all the heavy lifting?  Good troll tactic.

 

Of course Europe is bearing almost the entire burden of care for Ukrainian refugees and bearing the worse of the energy consequences of the war.  Yet most of Europe seems willing to bear this burden.

[heybruce]

6 hours ago, lemmie said:

Analysis: Tide turns in the Ukraine war as Russia makes progress in the east

"They have eliminated most Ukrainian defenses in the Luhansk region, consolidated control of a belt of territory in the south, improved their logistics and command structure and blunted the effectiveness of Ukrainian attack drones."

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/analysis-tide-turns-in-the-ukraine-war-as-russia-makes-progress-in-the-east/ar-AAYUcsB

 

This is typical of the reports now circulating and reporting on the situation in UA. Its not even a war at this point but an incursion. I don't see much hope for UA now. Zelenskyy needs to talk real nice to the western war mongers to find a way out of this.

 

"Zelenskyy needs to talk real nice to the western war mongers to find a way out of this."

 

What a load of ....  The war monger is Putin.  Zelensky and the rest of his country want western support in stopping him

[heybruce]

5 hours ago, lemmie said:

I don't like Putin at all, but what I dislike more is war mongers pounding the war drums, and if all this keeps up, this tough talk of NATO and 300K troops, and so on, don't say you didn't see it coming when the fire reigns down on all of mankind. Then it's too late, it may be all over for many.

So, your specific delusion, I think you have some good basis for it.

Once again, Putin started the war.  He is the war monger.

 

Why do you have such difficulty grasping this?

[Lacessit]

7 hours ago, lemmie said:

Tell that to the 1000 or so shoppers that just got bombed in Ukraine’s central city of Kremenchuk, maybe they will care if they don't die.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-kyiv-politics-d649a733dc688379ec15652b19ae305f

Russia has become a terrorist organization.

I  remember Billy Mitchell led a bombing raid on Tokyo, which while it did little damage, was an enormous psychological blow to the Japanese. Perhaps the Ukrainians are thinking the same way w.r.to Moscow, it's not all that far away.

[JackGats]

Three weeks ago: "Russia will soon exhaust its combat capabilities".

 

Now: "Russia will soon exhaust its combat capabilities".

 

Three weeks from now: "Russia will soon exhaust its combat capabilities".

 

 

[Excel]

8 minutes ago, JackGats said:

Three weeks ago: "Russia will soon exhaust its combat capabilities".

 

Now: "Russia will soon exhaust its combat capabilities".

 

Three weeks from now: "Russia will soon exhaust its combat capabilities".

 

 

Same for N Korea, not able to continue building missiles. All BS propaganda for the masses. 

[Bkk Brian]

31 minutes ago, JackGats said:

Three weeks ago: "Russia will soon exhaust its combat capabilities".

 

Now: "Russia will soon exhaust its combat capabilities".

 

Three weeks from now: "Russia will soon exhaust its combat capabilities".

 

 

Where did you read that 3 weeks ago?

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, JackGats said:

Three weeks ago: "Russia will soon exhaust its combat capabilities".

 

Now: "Russia will soon exhaust its combat capabilities".

 

Three weeks from now: "Russia will soon exhaust its combat capabilities".

 

Russia is using old technology weapons to fight a bloody war of attrition:

 

"After losing more than 700 of its best T-72, T-80 and T-90 tanks in Ukraine in the first three months of fighting, the Russian army got pretty desperate for functional armored vehicles.  So desperate that, in May, the army pulled from long-term storage what might be at least a battalion’s worth of 60-year-old T-62 tanks—perhaps 50 in all. Two weeks later, some of the museum-ready T-62s have been spotted rolling toward the front line outside Mykolaiv in southern Ukraine."  https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/06/06/russias-ancient-t-62-tanks-are-on-the-move-in-ukraine/?sh=385c0e2c12be

 

"Russia is running out of precision guided munitions and it is more likely to rely on so-called dumb bombs and artillery, a senior Pentagon official said on Thursday."  https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-running-out-precision-munitions-ukraine-war-pentagon-official-2022-03-25/

 

The second source is three months old.  Since then Russia has been relying almost entirely on unguided munitions in great quantity in order to level cities, with no regard to civilian casualties.  It's appalling, but the west should continue to support Ukraine for as long as the Ukraine people are willing to resist the genocidal invasion.

[Lacessit]

10 hours ago, lemmie said:

Yes, easy to say that here, and you may be onto something but I doubt the veracity of your claim without corroboration. You should try to post something that backs up your dubious claims.

Russia defaulted on its debt on Sunday, the first time since 1917. Is that a valid enough claim for you?

Russia's only hope is for someone to assassinate Putin, otherwise ordinary Russians will be going back to the privations of the Soviet era. If you think I am drawing too long a bow with that claim, I am keen to see what you can post in rebuttal.

A pariah state, a ruined economy. That will be Putin's legacy.

[ballpoint]

13 hours ago, JoseThailand said:

Russia gets $1bn every day from oil and gas exports. They can persist for years!

What are they going to do? Conscript everyone and throw coins at the Ukrainians?  They're running low on officers, non-conscripted soldiers, tanks and ammunition.

[ballpoint]

13 hours ago, lemmie said:

How many lives need to be lost because of this proxy war against Putin? Putin is on the glide path, he's holding some chips:, food and energy. Sanctions are hurting Russia, but maybe more pain on the West, and for how much longer. The sooner this is over, the better, get it?

Ask yourself why Pearl Harbor happened.

Yeah, the sooner they let Hitler take the Sudetenland, the better it was for everyone.

[Lacessit]

15 hours ago, JoseThailand said:

Russia gets $1bn every day from oil and gas exports. They can persist for years!

There's not much point to having money if you can't spend it as needed. That's why Russia has defaulted on its debt, the Western sanctions in the banking sector have blocked repayment to the bondholders. Fairly obvious it was going to happen, Russian bonds have been at a deep discount ever since Putin decided to invade.

Those were government bonds, it gets REALLY interesting when company bonds fall due over the next couple of months.

[lemmie]

5 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Russia defaulted on its debt on Sunday, the first time since 1917. Is that a valid enough claim for you?

I see that, I'm sure the Ukranians watching their homeland get bombarded daily really care about a big fat nothing for Putin and his debt payments blocked by sanctions.

"This put Russia on default watch as early as the spring. But Moscow kept paying its debts from currency reserves at home. In May, however, the U.S. Treasury blocked even those transfers to American investors.

With that, two Russian interest payments — worth about $100 million combined — got stuck after Russia transferred them out of its coffers in May. On Sunday night, the clock ran out on a grace period for these payments, and several reports say bondholders have not received this money, meaning a default.

However, an official declaration of default is unlikely. Major credit ratings agencies, which might typically declare, face sanctions barring them from Russian business. And investors themselves may prefer to stay out of the limelight as they sort out how they might get at least part of their money back."

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/27/1107750231/russia-default-foreign-debt-payments-explained

 

[lemmie]

3 hours ago, Lacessit said:

There's not much point to having money if you can't spend it as needed. That's why Russia has defaulted on its debt, the Western sanctions in the banking sector have blocked repayment to the bondholders. Fairly obvious it was going to happen, Russian bonds have been at a deep discount ever since Putin decided to invade.

Those were government bonds, it gets REALLY interesting when company bonds fall due over the next couple of months.

Oil rules, just ask Putin

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2022/05/31/opec-reportedly-discusses-exempting-russia-from-oil-targets-possibly-setting-stage-for-boost-in-output/

[lemmie]

Seems sanctions are working in reverse now, maybe time for Biden and his gang to implement round 7 of his sanctions and kill more jobs and business globally.

 

Russian Gas Cuts Threaten World’s Largest Chemicals Hub
Chemical sector’s reliance on natural gas makes it particularly vulnerable to further shortfalls

https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-gas-cuts-threaten-worlds-largest-chemicals-hub-11656316625

 

[lemmie]

5 hours ago, ballpoint said:

What are they going to do? Conscript everyone and throw coins at the Ukrainians?  They're running low on officers, non-conscripted soldiers, tanks and ammunition.

It is what it is, UA is getting their teeth kicked in and it's time to cut their loses and tell the west, Biden and the other war mongers to take all their toys and go play in Putin's big sandbox and make a deal, for peace, before someone drops the MOAB's and there's no turning back.

Give up a little, make it work. Just do it.

 

Biden officials privately doubt that Ukraine can win back all of its territory

 

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/28/politics/white-house-ukraine-projection/index.html

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, lemmie said:

It is what it is, UA is getting their teeth kicked in and it's time to cut their loses and tell the west, Biden and the other war mongers to take all their toys and go play in Putin's big sandbox and make a deal, for peace, before someone drops the MOAB's and there's no turning back.

Give up a little, make it work. Just do it.

 

Biden officials privately doubt that Ukraine can win back all of its territory

 

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/28/politics/white-house-ukraine-projection/index.html

If Russia doesn't willingly cede that territory back to Ukraine, including Crimea and the entire Donbas, the country will be sanctioned for decades.

 

German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock made clear that sanctions against Russia will only be lifted after a complete withdrawal of its troops from Ukrainian territory, including the eastern Donbas region, another sign the penalties are set to stay for a prolonged period.

 

https://fortune.com/2022/05/02/russia-sanctions-troops-withdraw-all-ukraine-donbas-crimea-germany/

Edited June 28, 2022 by ozimoron

[lemmie]

11 hours ago, heybruce said:

Why did Pearl Harbor happen?

Economic sanctions are a declaration of war and that's what US did to Japan so they attacked Pearl Harbor.

Edited June 28, 2022 by lemmie

[Bkk Brian]

15 minutes ago, lemmie said:

It is what it is, UA is getting their teeth kicked in and it's time to cut their loses and tell the west, Biden and the other war mongers to take all their toys and go play in Putin's big sandbox and make a deal, for peace, before someone drops the MOAB's and there's no turning back.

Give up a little, make it work. Just do it.

 

Biden officials privately doubt that Ukraine can win back all of its territory

 

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/28/politics/white-house-ukraine-projection/index.html

Oh look, Russian time zone kicks in and rambles about Ukraine getting its teeth kicked in start

[lemmie]

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Oh look, Russian time zone kicks in

? LOL. Can you repeat this message, I am still looking for something logical, intelligible, from this comment.

Edited June 28, 2022 by lemmie

[Bkk Brian]

More war mongering by the Russian barbarians:

 

NATO Attempt On Crimea Will Lead To World War III, Warns Medvedev

 

“For us, Crimea is a part of Russia. And that means forever. Any attempt to encroach on Crimea is a declaration of war against our country," Medvedev told the news website Argumenty i Fakty.

“And if this is done by a NATO member-state, this means conflict with the entire North Atlantic alliance; a World War Three. A complete catastrophe."

 

https://www.news18.com/news/world/nato-attempt-on-crimea-will-lead-to-world-war-iii-warns-medvedev-5452135.html

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, lemmie said:

? LOL. Can you repeat this message, I am still looking for something logical, intelligible, from this comment.

Much as many posters are looking for something logical and intelligible from you.

 

Facts are:

 

Putin started this war. Calling the West warmongers for responding to an act outside all international norms is the crudest Russian propaganda.

 

Finland and Russia have applied for membership of NATO. Please explain logically and intelligibly why they would do that if they thought Putin's intentions toward them are peaceful.

 

Russian troops have committed multiple war crimes in Ukraine against civilians. Please explain logically and intelligibly why you think it is a good idea to surrender to someone who will execute you when you do so.

 

You advocate giving Putin what he wants. Please explain logically and intelligibly why you think surrendering Ukraine to him will be enough, when history has shown for dictators no conquest is ever enough, and Putin is on record as wanting to bring back the USSR and the satellites all the way to East Germany.

 

Enjoy your borscht, comrade. I suspect it won't be long before you can't afford it in its most basic form.

[lemmie]

Ukrainian frustration grows as casualties spike and Russia takes more territory

https://news.yahoo.com/frustration-grows-ukraine-casualties-spike-091023343.html

[ozimoron]

28 minutes ago, lemmie said:

Ukrainian frustration grows as casualties spike and Russia takes more territory

https://news.yahoo.com/frustration-grows-ukraine-casualties-spike-091023343.html

Macron says Russia can’t win in Ukraine after strike on mall

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-politics-united-nations-terrorist-attacks-be890f11b0a5abfb41ddb1cfc8d5b212

[TacoKhun]

4 hours ago, Lacessit said:

You advocate giving Putin what he wants. Please explain logically and intelligibly why you think surrendering Ukraine to him will be enough, when history has shown for dictators no conquest is ever enough, and Putin is on record as wanting to bring back the USSR and the satellites all the way to East Germany.

Because according to western sources Putin is very sick and soon no more, so East Germany is safe, it will take many years for Russia to recover after what is happening in Ukraine before it will be in shape to even try any new big military operation.

 

The people you call comrades are very likely to be indians, majority are anti west and pro russia, ask me how i know ???? 

Edited June 28, 2022 by TacoKhun

[heybruce]

9 hours ago, lemmie said:

Economic sanctions are a declaration of war and that's what US did to Japan so they attacked Pearl Harbor.

First, economic sanctions are not a declaration of war.

 

Second, the US stopped selling oil to Japan because Japan was using that oil to fuel a genocidal invasion and occupation of China.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABCD_line

 

Do you think the US should have supported Japan's wars of conquest and empire?

[Lacessit]

8 hours ago, TacoKhun said:

Because according to western sources Putin is very sick and soon no more, so East Germany is safe, it will take many years for Russia to recover after what is happening in Ukraine before it will be in shape to even try any new big military operation.

 

The people you call comrades are very likely to be indians, majority are anti west and pro russia, ask me how i know ???? 

That might be wishful thinking on the part of western sources, if true it probably makes him more dangerous.

 

Indians have been anti-west ever since the days of the British Raj, no surprise there. Smart people, but also arrogant to boot.

 

India has few natural resources, getting cheap fuel and gold under the table from Russia would suit their book.

 

IIRC it is lawyers who say never ask a question unless you know the answer already.