10 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Exactly! In the World of Jingthing, you are either with him or gaslighting. Deviation is not accepted. Nor are uncomfortable truths. 

If you gaslight expect push back.

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

No.

Not this slithering game.

Polls aren't reality.

You know that.

Roe vs Wade was struck down.

You know that.

 

You said:

 

There is no "stamping on women's rights" happening at all. 

 

That's wrong. We're not morons. Of course it's happening. FACT.

 

 

Not amused how "my body, my choice" was classed as non permittable speech for 2 years until Roe vs Wade was overturned and suddenly the narrative turned on a dime and "my body, my choice" was a good thing again.

 Forcing people against their will to make questionable decisions regarding their health was IMO an unforgivable sin. And it is hypocrisy in the extreme trying to claim the high moral ground.

 So, nice try, but no sale. 

3 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Not amused how "my body, my choice" was classed as non permittable speech for 2 years until Roe vs Wade was overturned and suddenly the narrative turned on a dime and "my body, my choice" was a good thing again.

 Forcing people against their will to make questionable decisions regarding their health was IMO an unforgivable sin. And it is hypocrisy in the extreme trying to claim the high moral ground.

 So, nice try, but no sale. 

Different issues mate 

Baiting posts removed.  Please stay on topic and keep it civil.

 

Three levels

 

Facts

Opinions

Lies

44 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Exactly! In the World of Jingthing, you are either with him or gaslighting. Deviation is not accepted. Nor are uncomfortable truths. 

This is the result by way of those who are intolerant and lack open cognitive abilities. 

They have little to offer of any such substance.

6 minutes ago, zzaa09 said:

This is the result by way of those who are intolerant and lack open cognitive abilities. 

They have little to offer of any such substance.

It's not a matter of tolerance. 

If someone says that abortion is still available as before in all 50 states they are either very ignorant or more likely lying. Reality matters.

 

If we can't agree on basic real facts a civil discussion is impossible.

 

It's OK to be against abortion but it's not OK to promote outrageous distortions LIES about what happened after Roe vs Wade was ended 

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7 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It's not a matter of tolerance. 

If someone says that abortion is still available as before in all 50 states they are either very ignorant or more likely lying. Reality matters.

 

If we can't agree on basic real facts a civil discussion is impossible.

 

It's OK to be against abortion but it's not OK to promote outrageous distortions LIES about what happened after Roe vs Wade was ended 

... and that is not what I said. I said it was available from coast to coast. In most places, the same as before the Court's decision.  

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9 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

... and that is not what I said. I said it was available from coast to coast. In most places, the same as before the Court's decision.  

Coast to coast means every state.

 

This map is VERY DIFFERENT since the radical right wing court abolished constitutional abortion rights against the overwhelming will of the people.that were in effect for 50 years.

 

https://states.guttmacher.org/policies/abortion-policies

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5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Coast to coast means every state.

If I drive coast to coast, am I required to visit all 48 states? I hope I can omit the other 2.

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Troll post removed.  

 

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Yes the Republicans are anti gay!

 

https://www.washingtonblade.com/2022/04/22/overview-of-over-300-anti-lgbtq-bills-in-2022/

 

 

POLITICS

Overview of over 300 anti-LGBTQ+ bills in 2022

As Republican politicians continue to push for limits to LGBTQ+ rights, many LGBTQ+ people & their allies promise to continue fighting

 

 

https://slate.com/podcasts/what-next/2022/07/the-trevor-project-on-anti-trans-legislation

 

 

The War on LGBTQ+ Rights

How The Trevor Project sees the impact of the GOP’s newly-introduced, anti-LGBTQ+ laws on American youth.

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Abortion is already banned in many states.

 

Why do you insist on doubling down on insipid gaslighting?

 

 

Again with the "gaslighting" thing... is that your mot du jour?  I provide a simple fact, and you call it gaslighting.  And your go-to source is......Slate.com? Bwahahahaha!  

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

That's right. Trump and the GOP are anti-gay. So anti gay in fact that they appointed the first ever openly gay cabinet member in US history!

 

And as you know, overturning Roe did not end abortion in the US. It is still possible to get an abortion from sea to sea.  It just gave the power back to the people. You ARE for democracy, aren't you?  

Depending on what state you reside in and if you have financial resources you can have access to needed medical services as regards abortion requirements. The attempt by states to use a like regulation reminiscent of the Fugitive Slave Law remains to be tried through the courts.

27 minutes ago, Wrwest said:

Depending on what state you reside in and if you have financial resources you can have access to needed medical services as regards abortion requirements. The attempt by states to use a like regulation reminiscent of the Fugitive Slave Law remains to be tried through the courts.

Many poor women can't afford that. Is that the right wing line now? Rights only if you have the money?

Off-topic, trolling, baiting posts and replies removed.  Continue and face a suspension. 

 

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Polls don't matter to women.

Laws matter.

My specific views are not the topic here.

You put on this ridiculous show that what people want in the polls is HAPPENING.

NO!

The people wanted Roe to stand and now that the right wing radicals have trashed it many states are now massively restrictive. Not aware of even one state that responded moderately.

The people didn't know what Roe was or was not. They reacted in polls based on the media bias surrounding the subject. YET...

 

...if you ask actual specific questions about abortion, about what restrictions or freedoms people want to see in their state, the answers are quite different.  And I think you know this, which is why you choose to ignore it. Instead, relying on generalities and platitudes and even being coy about your own beliefs on the subject.  

 

Polling shows that abortion support wanes with time. Only about 10% of people want abortion outlawed completely. Similarly, only about 20% want no restrictions.  Most want restrictions after the first trimester. 

 

But that level of nuance seems difficult for some to comprehend...

9 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Many poor women can't afford that. Is that the right wing line now? Rights only if you have the money?

Plenty of charities set up to take care of this. Pro abortion people can put their money where their collective mouths are.  Should be no problem collecting millions from people if abortion is so popular, right?

20 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

The people didn't know what Roe was or was not. They reacted in polls based on the media bias surrounding the subject. YET...

 

...if you ask actual specific questions about abortion, about what restrictions or freedoms people want to see in their state, the answers are quite different.  And I think you know this, which is why you choose to ignore it. Instead, relying on generalities and platitudes and even being coy about your own beliefs on the subject.  

 

Polling shows that abortion support wanes with time. Only about 10% of people want abortion outlawed completely. Similarly, only about 20% want no restrictions.  Most want restrictions after the first trimester. 

 

But that level of nuance seems difficult for some to comprehend...

People know what Roe vs. Wade WAS. 

The radical right wing court trashed it and now abortion has been severely restricted in many states with more to come.

 

Roe vs Wade already enabled moderate restrictions.

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19 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Plenty of charities set up to take care of this. Pro abortion people can put their money where their collective mouths are.  Should be no problem collecting millions from people if abortion is so popular, right?

They can help some women to some degree and they will.

But they shouldn't have to in the first place.

Many poor women can't get time off to travel and will try unsafe methods  Some of them will die. Some will get fired for taking time off for travel and no charity is going to pay their rent or replace their income.

Biden has trouble "thinking" period. He's finished, the democrats know it, everyone exercising cognition knows it. Biden and his admin are a total disaster and have not accomplished much if anything for America. If you disagree, please share Biden's accomplishments here.

 

Most Democrats Don’t Want Biden in 2024, New Poll Shows

"With the country gripped by a pervasive sense of pessimism, the president is hemorrhaging support"

NYTimes link

With Biden and his admin everything is a PR stunt that ultimately fails and they go from crisis to crisis and solve nothing.

Where is Trump and the people who care about America and Americans!

 

 

 

 

31 minutes ago, lemmie said:

Biden has trouble "thinking" period. He's finished, the democrats know it, everyone exercising cognition knows it. Biden and his admin are a total disaster and have not accomplished much if anything for America. If you disagree, please share Biden's accomplishments here.

 

Most Democrats Don’t Want Biden in 2024, New Poll Shows

"With the country gripped by a pervasive sense of pessimism, the president is hemorrhaging support"

NYTimes link

With Biden and his admin everything is a PR stunt that ultimately fails and they go from crisis to crisis and solve nothing.

Where is Trump and the people who care about America and Americans!

 

 

 

 

Trump cares only about Trump and his brand. 

55 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

People know what Roe vs. Wade WAS. 

The radical right wing court trashed it and now abortion has been severely restricted in many states with more to come.

 

Roe vs Wade already enabled moderate restrictions.

That radical right wing court wouldn't exist if not for the utter greed and self centeredness of RBG. Multiple cancer survivor, in her 80's, with what had to be a very few years left of life expendancy would not go while the conditions were best. To her her career mattered more than Roe or anything else. Where were all these cry babies on the left when the court could have still been saved by shaming her into doing the right thing? Why didn't President Slogan read her the riot act during his 1st term while he had 60 senate votes and a strong house majority? 

 

Now the liberals of America are looking for a scapegoat for their ridiculous choice of selecting a 78 year old nominee. There will be plenty of whining and pointing fingers while their party gets slaughtered the next couple election cycles. I just feel sorry for American progressives who are stuck in a forced marriage with dumb liberals. 

23 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Trump cares only about Trump and his brand. 

Very true. Just like RBG. Is that a NYC or American thing? 

 

Lot of talk about abortion here but it will not be on the radar come fall when the Dems get demolished over fuel prices and inflation. 

6 minutes ago, pegman said:

Very true. Just like RBG. Is that a NYC or American thing? 

 

Lot of talk about abortion here but it will not be on the radar come fall when the Dems get demolished over fuel prices and inflation. 

Low information voters will believe that inflation and fuel prices are an American thing and caused mainly by domestic policies.

1 hour ago, pegman said:

Very true. Just like RBG. Is that a NYC or American thing? 

 

Lot of talk about abortion here but it will not be on the radar come fall when the Dems get demolished over fuel prices and inflation. 

I don't accept your equivalency assertion of Trump.and RBG. 

 

Abortion will most certainly be on the radar but I agree economic issues will dominate.

 

The democrats will lose the house but have a good chance of increasing their majority in the Senate. Mostly another own goal by Republicans nominating Trumpist looney tunes such as Herschel Walker.

 

 

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2 hours ago, pegman said:

That radical right wing court wouldn't exist if not for the utter greed and self centeredness of RBG. Multiple cancer survivor, in her 80's, with what had to be a very few years left of life expendancy would not go while the conditions were best. To her her career mattered more than Roe or anything else. Where were all these cry babies on the left when the court could have still been saved by shaming her into doing the right thing? Why didn't President Slogan read her the riot act during his 1st term while he had 60 senate votes and a strong house majority? 

 

Now the liberals of America are looking for a scapegoat for their ridiculous choice of selecting a 78 year old nominee. There will be plenty of whining and pointing fingers while their party gets slaughtered the next couple election cycles. I just feel sorry for American progressives who are stuck in a forced marriage with dumb liberals. 

Not going to bother replying to all of your colorful post but you ignore some facts.

 

Biden beat Trump. That was  job one. Possibly no other democrat could have done so in 2020. 

 

As far as 2024 Biden must keep saying he is running as long as possible or he prematurely castrates himself.  But he won't run.

 

Trump may run to raise money and generate noise to deflect from his legal problems but he probably won't be nominated  and would lose if he is. He's seriously damaged goods.

 

A recent poll shows Biden even with his historically horrible numbers would beat Trump in 2024.

 

But that's academic. Biden won't run and Trump will probably be gone too.

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