Long traffic delays at Dover ferry port are fault of Brexit, claim French

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, transam said:

Breixt was about the UK, not folk who chose to live abroad.

But, isn't there means for them to stay where they are, a bit like we can do to stay in LOS....?

Whatever you claim Brexit was about, it’s impacts are far wider.

 

Brits losing rights and privileges is a common theme.

[transam]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

But if the UK took back control, how come is it the French can cause such problems.

 

If the UK is in control  are in control, the UK can sort this out all by itself.

Any immigration in any country can cause a problem if trying to enter their borders....

The UK Dover folk were in control, the French were not.

 

Now I know you like trashing your own country at every opportunity, but has it not sunk in yet that the French were at fault at Dover....?

[transam]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Whatever you claim Brexit was about, it’s impacts are far wider.

 

Brits losing rights and privileges is a common theme.

I'm sure you have a big list, but if it were a socialist gov in power, you would be saying...."Its all the French fault, again"....????

[RayC]

12 minutes ago, transam said:

In any country I have ever been too in my life, there has been  immigration to deal with, even in Europe before EU membership. 

But this thread has revealed the French caused a UK travellers headache.

This is a blue ribbon day. Firstly, I agree with Nauseus, then I can admire Loiner's consistent argument, and now we agree on something:

 

Yes, all countries that I have visited by air for as long as I can remember have had some form of immigration control (let's not muddy the waters talking about land travel across the Schengen states!). And yes, a problem with French immigration at Calais in particular has lead to delays.

 

However, you miss the point. Irrespective of whether the Immigration posts are fully staffed, whether there are technical problems, etc, it takes longer to pass through the 'All Passports' queue than the 'EU' queue.

 

 

[transam]

8 minutes ago, RayC said:

This is a blue ribbon day. Firstly, I agree with Nauseus, then I can admire Loiner's consistent argument, and now we agree on something:

 

Yes, all countries that I have visited by air for as long as I can remember have had some form of immigration control (let's not muddy the waters talking about land travel across the Schengen states!). And yes, a problem with French immigration at Calais in particular has lead to delays.

 

However, you miss the point. Irrespective of whether the Immigration posts are fully staffed, whether there are technical problems, etc, it takes longer to pass through the 'All Passports' queue than the 'EU' queue.

 

 

Oh well, all part of happy holidays, I suppose.

I recall flying to the USA with 2 mates, think it was 1995, we were interrogated and searched by USA folk at Gatwick, we laughed it off as all part of the adventure. Another time, USA again, got air side to board, 2 hour wait, got on the plane, sat on it for 3 hours, total of 5 hours, all part of happy holidays....???? 

 

I am sure we all have tales to tell...????

[RayC]

20 minutes ago, transam said:

Breixt was about the UK, not folk who chose to live abroad.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but don't you feel that it's a tad ironic (plus patronising and arrogant) for someone like yourself, living in Thailand, to be lecturing those of us in the UK, who disagree with you,  that Brexit was, in your words, " ... about the UK, not folk who chose to live abroad"?

 

20 minutes ago, transam said:

But, isn't there means for them to stay where they are, a bit like we can do to stay in LOS....?

Not in all cases. I know quite a few Brits who have effectively been forced to return to the UK because they have lost their jobs in Belgium, France and the Netherlands.

[Phoenix Rising]

47 minutes ago, transam said:

In any country I have ever been too in my life, there has been  immigration to deal with, even in Europe before EU membership. 

But this thread has revealed the French caused a UK travellers headache.

As has been pointed out repeatedly the headache is entirely self-inflicted. You can't tell the EU to eff off and then expect to be treated as VIP's.

As they say in Thailand;

Som nam naa!

[transam]

1 minute ago, RayC said:

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but don't you feel that it's a tad ironic (plus patronising and arrogant) for someone like yourself, living in Thailand, to be lecturing those of us in the UK, who disagree with you,  that Brexit was, in your words, " ... about the UK, not folk who chose to live abroad"?

 

Not in all cases. I know quite a few Brits who have effectively been forced to return to the UK because they have lost their jobs in Belgium, France and the Netherlands.

 

Patronising and arrogant because I am in Thailand, eeeeer, this thread is on a Thai forum for discussion, chap.....????

 

You are in the UK moaning about a Dover queue on a Thai forum. You are in the UK, shouldn't you be moaning where the queue is/was, where you are....?.....????

 

Brits who lost their job in the EU has nothing to do with the queue at Dover, don't know why you mentioned it...................????

[RayC]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

 

 

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

 

The EU issues directives on nitrate use.

It does but it doesn't have any targets in it. If you then questioned the point of it, I'd have to agree.

 

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

 

The Euro currency has never suited the Italian economy.

Debatable but I'd agree that there are also problems - as well as benefits - associated with the Euro. 

 

In any event, any EU nation could have kept their own currency (as the UK did). Even though it is now a condition of entry for EU membership that the candidate country agrees to adopt the Euro, this would only happen when conditions are met. I don't imagine that the EU and ECB want another Greek crisis 

 

 

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

 

I'll have to give you the Germans.

 

????????

[transam]

8 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

As has been pointed out repeatedly the headache is entirely self-inflicted. You can't tell the EU to eff off and then expect to be treated as VIP's.

As they say in Thailand;

Som nam naa!

Nobody has told the EU "eff- off", I think you are a bit confused.

But is the UK taking that/your attitude to foreign travellers to the UK, tell all....????

[RayC]

58 minutes ago, transam said:

I would suggest that there were folk in the Dover queues that did vote for Brexit, and those folk now know the French balls'd up..????

And there were folks like me who spent over an hour in a queue at passport control in Brussels, watching the EU line move quicker, who thought: 'Ok. In the bigger scheme of things this is a minor inconvenience, but it's worth it because of all the other benefits that Brexit brings. But then I couldn't think of any Brexit benefits and became increasingly p@#£ed off at those who voted for this'.

[transam]

1 minute ago, RayC said:

And there were folks like me who spent over an hour in a queue at passport control in Brussels, watching the EU line move quicker, who thought: 'Ok. In the bigger scheme of things this is a minor inconvenience, but it's worth it because of all the other benefits that Brexit brings. But then I couldn't think of any Brexit benefits and became increasingly p@#£ed off at those who voted for this'.

Much the same as socialists having a Tory Government to contend with, but I think most move on, get on with it, life can be too short...????

[Chomper Higgot]

Cast your mind back to the pre-Brexit discussions on the options the UK had wrt the kind of Brexit.

 

On the one hand the hard Brexit some were calling for, tge impacts of which were widely discussed.

 

On the other the ‘Norway Deal’ of exiting the EU but remaining in the customs Union.

 

The UK government chose the former and in rejecting the latter ensure the maximum disruption to the UK economy.

 

All of this is self inflicted harm and there is very little evidence that people voted for that harm.

 

However, the ERG got most of what it wanted.

 

 

[transam]

56 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Whatever you claim Brexit was about, it’s impacts are far wider.

 

Brits losing rights and privileges is a common theme.

Rights and privileges, have you a list of those......? 

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, RayC said:

And there were folks like me who spent over an hour in a queue at passport control in Brussels, watching the EU line move quicker, who thought: 'Ok. In the bigger scheme of things this is a minor inconvenience, but it's worth it because of all the other benefits that Brexit brings. But then I couldn't think of any Brexit benefits and became increasingly p@#£ed off at those who voted for this'.

Rees Mogg has apparently spotted a ‘Brexit Opportunity’ in the UK being able to produce sparkling wines in plastic bottles, though I doubt he’d ever drink any of it himself.

 

 

[transam]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Cast your mind back to the pre-Brexit discussions on the options the UK had wrt the kind of Brexit.

 

On the one hand the hard Brexit some were calling for, tge impacts of which were widely discussed.

 

On the other the ‘Norway Deal’ of exiting the EU but remaining in the customs Union.

 

The UK government chose the former and in rejecting the latter ensure the maximum disruption to the UK economy.

 

All of this is self inflicted harm and there is very little evidence that people voted for that harm.

 

However, the ERG got most of what it wanted.

 

 

The thread is about a queue at Dover with a Brexit implication, that Brexit bumph has been done to death years back.....????

[Loiner]

55 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

Brits losing rights and privileges is a common theme.

All perfectly acceptable. They were not even great rights and privileges. Queueing to show a passport on the days you go on holiday is not a big deal in the scheme of things for most of UK. None at all for those who don’t travel. 
They also worked more for other EU nationalities than the UK, in fact they worked against the UK. 

[RayC]

14 minutes ago, transam said:

 

Patronising and arrogant because I am in Thailand, eeeeer, this thread is on a Thai forum for discussion, chap.....????

I assume that those who run the forum are happy to receive comments from any location, otherwise they would have limited access to Thai residents.

 

14 minutes ago, transam said:

 

You are in the UK moaning about a Dover queue on a Thai forum. You are in the UK, shouldn't you be moaning where the queue is/was, where you are....?.....????

So your suggestion is that I pop down to Dover and join the queue in order to complain about the queue?

 

14 minutes ago, transam said:

 

Brits who lost their job in the EU has nothing to do with the queue at Dover, don't know why you mentioned it...................????

No it doesn't but it has everything to do with Brexit. Want to give it a go explaining to such folk how Brexit has benefited them? Thought not.

 

 

[transam]

2 minutes ago, RayC said:

I assume that those who run the forum are happy to receive comments from any location, otherwise they would have limited access to Thai residents.

 

So your suggestion is that I pop down to Dover and join the queue in order to complain about the queue?

 

No it doesn't but it has everything to do with Brexit. Want to give it a go explaining to such folk how Brexit has benefited them? Thought not.

 

 

You don't see the funny side of you telling me in LOS about commenting on a queue At Dover...........????

 

No, I suggested you post your frustrations about a queue at Dover on a UK forum to make a difference there, in LOS, its an amusing to chat...????

 

Why would I waste my time explaining benefits of Brexit on a Dover queue thread to a remainer, now come on.....???? ????????

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Rights and privileges, have you a list of those......? 

The right to live and work in any of the EU nations (the UK’s largest trading partner).

 

The right to health services across the EU.

 

The protection of EU laws on matters of workers rights.

 

The rights to direct appeal to the EU on matters of environmental protection.

 

To name but a few.

[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, transam said:

The thread is about a queue at Dover with a Brexit implication, that Brexit bumph has been done to death years back.....????

No it hasn’t been done, it’s still damaging the UK economy,

[transam]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The right to live and work in any of the EU nations (the UK’s largest trading partner).

 

The right to health services across the EU.

 

The protection of EU laws on matters of workers rights.

 

The rights to direct appeal to the EU on matters of environmental protection.

 

To name but a few.

Few of those are why the vote to leave, mon ami....????

[sandyf]

On 7/24/2022 at 12:14 PM, richard_smith237 said:

And ‘people’ (law makers / governments) can allow the UK to maintain access….

 

As I wrote, the issues are ‘man-made’ and unnecessary. 

So only England was allowed to take back control, no one else.

Brexit was always about English cake and eating it.

[transam]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No it hasn’t been done, it’s still damaging the UK economy,

The Dover queue, the Dover queue, do I keep having to remind you.

 

You could start your own thread ,ya know, on your Brexit hot under the collar stuff...????....................????

 

[Chomper Higgot]

17 minutes ago, Loiner said:

All perfectly acceptable. They were not even great rights and privileges. Queueing to show a passport on the days you go on holiday is not a big deal in the scheme of things for most of UK. None at all for those who don’t travel. 
They also worked more for other EU nationalities than the UK, in fact they worked against the UK. 

Tell that to the British employees of P&O Ferries that were fired while their EU member colleagues were protected by EU law.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

Few of those are why the vote to leave, mon ami....????

You asked for examples, I gave you examples.

 

Your response reveals your ‘bad faith’ arguments.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, transam said:

The Dover queue, the Dover queue, do I keep having to remind you.

 

You could start your own thread ,ya know, on your Brexit hot under the collar stuff...????....................????

 

The Dover queue, I keep having to remind you, includes all the freight crossing the channel at Dover that has faced delays and increased costs since day one of Brexit.

 

ongoing delays and costs to the already struggling British economy.

[sandyf]

21 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I didnt realise that freight was free before Brexit . 

No wonder prices have risen now that freight has to be paid for 

Brexit mentality to the fore.

Cost of freight is not a single item, there are now items included that were not there when freight was within the single market.

They were there before the single market and the cost of freight went down when that was introduced.

[transam]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

You asked for examples, I gave you examples.

 

Your response reveals your ‘bad faith’ arguments.

 

 

"Bad faith" arguments, I am in no way religious, chap.

Your examples showed a couple of things that caused Brexit.

 

Now back to the Dover queue, you have gone off on a tangent again......????

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The Dover queue, I keep having to remind you, includes all the freight crossing the channel at Dover that has faced delays and increased costs since day one of Brexit.

 

ongoing delays and costs to the already struggling British economy.

You don't have to remind me of anything, the thread is about a queue which was caused by the French having lunch, or a sauna, or a kip.......................????