Thaksin Wins Case Against Revenue Department

[Orinoco]

16 hours ago, Golden Triangle said:

I really wouldn't mind sneaking in her back way

+1 

[CMHomeboy78]

On 8/9/2022 at 3:20 PM, JingerBen said:

"Slippery as an eel" is an expression that always comes to mind whenever I'm reminded of him.

Thais often say that all politicians are "kee-gohng"... but Thaksin takes it to a higher level and is in a class of his own when it comes to the amounts of money involved in his crooked deals.

Shady and dishonest weapons procurement programs are a major problem here, that's for sure, but the beneficiaries are numerous and spread out, they don't enrich one man and his corrupt family to the same extent that the Shinawatras have seen their fortunes multiply since starting out as silk merchants in San Kamphaeng.

That's a very good summing-up.

Thaksin and his clan are corrupt to the bone. Anybody who can't see that is either blind or has an agenda they want to push.

But you underestimate his background.

He is descended from a Chinese immigrant who arrived here in the 1860s and went on to make his fortune as a tax farmer.

He settled in Chiang Mai in 1908 where his son and grandson - Thaksin's father - prospered in construction, agriculture, and later as cinema owners before going on to open Shinawatra Silks.

So they were far more than just "silk merchants".

Forbes puts Thaksin's boodle at two billion... he could very easily have bought this latest verdict in his favor.

"But I don't give a hoot" [to quote Trink] as long as he and his family never get back into power.

 

[MrMojoRisin]

20 hours ago, CMHomeboy78 said:

That's a very good summing-up.

Thaksin and his clan are corrupt to the bone. Anybody who can't see that is either blind or has an agenda they want to push.

But you underestimate his background.

He is descended from a Chinese immigrant who arrived here in the 1860s and went on to make his fortune as a tax farmer.

He settled in Chiang Mai in 1908 where his son and grandson - Thaksin's father - prospered in construction, agriculture, and later as cinema owners before going on to open Shinawatra Silks.

So they were far more than just "silk merchants".

Forbes puts Thaksin's boodle at two billion... he could very easily have bought this latest verdict in his favor.

"But I don't give a hoot" [to quote Trink] as long as he and his family never get back into power.

 

It is actually a garbage summing up.

 

Was there corruption under "Thaksin and his clan" - of course there was...after all, this is Thailand.

 

But let's not kid ourselves about who the real villains are when it comes to corruption in Thailand:

 

The top five richest men in Thailand have reportedly increased their wealth by a combined $13.6 billion over the past year in one of the world’s most unequal countries where the wealthiest 1 percent of the population in a nation of 69 million own more than two-thirds of the nation’s wealth.

 

Although Thailand made significant progress in rolling back endemic poverty in recent decades, the trend began to be reversed after 2014 when a repressive military junta ousted an elected government in a coup. The rate of poverty has since been on the rise again, according to the World Bank.

 

Anybody who cannot see the truth is either a gullible fool or a closet fascist.

 

https://www.ucanews.com/news/pandemic-widens-chasm-between-rich-and-poor-in-thailand/93262

 

[DaddyWarbucks]

On 8/12/2022 at 1:20 PM, CMHomeboy78 said:

That's a very good summing-up.

Thaksin and his clan are corrupt to the bone. Anybody who can't see that is either blind or has an agenda they want to push.

But you underestimate his background.

He is descended from a Chinese immigrant who arrived here in the 1860s and went on to make his fortune as a tax farmer.

He settled in Chiang Mai in 1908 where his son and grandson - Thaksin's father - prospered in construction, agriculture, and later as cinema owners before going on to open Shinawatra Silks.

So they were far more than just "silk merchants".

Forbes puts Thaksin's boodle at two billion... he could very easily have bought this latest verdict in his favor.

"But I don't give a hoot" [to quote Trink] as long as he and his family never get back into power.

 

Your post and the one you replied to nail Thaksin's cojones to the floor, so no need for repetition about economic crimes. 

Those of us who lived here during his time in power will remember some inconvenient facts that the Kool-Aid drinkers either don't know or choose to ignore.

The egregious corruption of his administration pales beside the drug war massacres, one of which resulted in 2,873 Thais dead in three months, from February to April 2003.

The victims included whole families, women, children and old people.

That was from just one relatively short period of time. How many died in total on his watch is open to conjecture.

When UN sec-gen Kofi Anan nominated a rapporteur to investigate these gross human roghts abuses, Thaksin's angry response  was "the UN is not my father".

He will never regain power in Thailand. A civil war would result if he did.

[MrMojoRisin]

1 hour ago, DaddyWarbucks said:

Your post and the one you replied to nail Thaksin's cojones to the floor, so no need for repetition about economic crimes. 

Both posts do no such thing, so you are correct, no need for repetition.

 

1 hour ago, DaddyWarbucks said:

Those of us who lived here during his time in power will remember some inconvenient facts that the Kool-Aid drinkers either don't know or choose to ignore.

Inconvenient facts, mmm, how about...Thaksin's pro-poor policies and repeated election victories threatened entrenched interests of the conservative ruling elites, including the military, the civilian bureaucracy and the political establishment.

 

1 hour ago, DaddyWarbucks said:

The egregious corruption of his administration pales beside the drug war massacres, one of which resulted in 2,873 Thais dead in three months, from February to April 2003.

Ain't it funny how the  "those of us who were here" crowd, who somehow believe that their physical presence miraculously grants them omnipotence on all things Thai, always fail to exhibit any awareness whatsoever of what the Thai people themselves actually, think, feel, want and believe.

 

A poll taken at the time showed 90 percent of Thais supported the drug war.

Those above and below Thaksin supported the drug war.

Sad but true.

 

The drug war was terrible (and criminal), and there is plenty of blame to go around to plenty of people and organisations along with Thaksin. 

 

Your revisionist version of events does nothing but prove your own ignorance, unreliability and prejudice.

 

1 hour ago, DaddyWarbucks said:

The victims included whole families, women, children and old people.

That was from just one relatively short period of time. How many died in total on his watch is open to conjecture.

Thaksin's introduction of the 30 baht Universal healthcare Scheme reduced preventable infant deaths by 17,000 per year.

 

Where is your outrage at the anti-democratic forces in Thailand who have for decades raped and pillaged the country, their greed and gluttony never satisfied to the point that the inequality is so great that 17,000 babies needlessly died every year?

 

Thaksin is surely no angel, but there are a great many seriously awful people causing infinitely more harm to the people of Thailand than him.

 

Your petty and obsessive hatred of Thaksin reveals a great deal about you.

 

1 hour ago, DaddyWarbucks said:

When UN sec-gen Kofi Anan nominated a rapporteur to investigate these gross human rights abuses, Thaksin's angry response  was "the UN is not my father".

That is correct, the UN is not his father.

What did the father of Thailand have to say about the drug war?

 

1 hour ago, DaddyWarbucks said:

He will never regain power in Thailand. A civil war would result if he did.

If it were up to the Thai people, Thaksin would be back in power in an instant.

Any free and fair election will return a Thaksinite party to power.

 

A civil war?

It would be an 80/20 split.

The military leadership, billionaires, bureaucrats, religious nutters and fascists being the 20 - and the sure losers.

 

[zzaa09]

8 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

It is actually a garbage summing up.

 

Was there corruption under "Thaksin and his clan" - of course there was...after all, this is Thailand.

 

But let's not kid ourselves about who the real villains are when it comes to corruption in Thailand:

 

The top five richest men in Thailand have reportedly increased their wealth by a combined $13.6 billion over the past year in one of the world’s most unequal countries where the wealthiest 1 percent of the population in a nation of 69 million own more than two-thirds of the nation’s wealth.

 

Although Thailand made significant progress in rolling back endemic poverty in recent decades, the trend began to be reversed after 2014 when a repressive military junta ousted an elected government in a coup. The rate of poverty has since been on the rise again, according to the World Bank.

 

Anybody who cannot see the truth is either a gullible fool or a closet fascist.

 

https://www.ucanews.com/news/pandemic-widens-chasm-between-rich-and-poor-in-thailand/93262

 

....and hasn't it been of this nature here forever - regardless of the surface politics?

[zzaa09]

53 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Both posts do no such thing, so you are correct, no need for repetition.

 

Inconvenient facts, mmm, how about...Thaksin's pro-poor policies and repeated election victories threatened entrenched interests of the conservative ruling elites, including the military, the civilian bureaucracy and the political establishment.

 

Ain't it funny how the  "those of us who were here" crowd, who somehow believe that their physical presence miraculously grants them omnipotence on all things Thai, always fail to exhibit any awareness whatsoever of what the Thai people themselves actually, think, feel, want and believe.

 

A poll taken at the time showed 90 percent of Thais supported the drug war.

Those above and below Thaksin supported the drug war.

Sad but true.

 

The drug war was terrible (and criminal), and there is plenty of blame to go around to plenty of people and organisations along with Thaksin. 

 

Your revisionist version of events does nothing but prove your own ignorance, unreliability and prejudice.

 

Thaksin's introduction of the 30 baht Universal healthcare Scheme reduced preventable infant deaths by 17,000 per year.

 

Where is your outrage at the anti-democratic forces in Thailand who have for decades raped and pillaged the country, their greed and gluttony never satisfied to the point that the inequality is so great that 17,000 babies needlessly died every year?

 

Thaksin is surely no angel, but there are a great many seriously awful people causing infinitely more harm to the people of Thailand than him.

 

Your petty and obsessive hatred of Thaksin reveals a great deal about you.

 

That is correct, the UN is not his father.

What did the father of Thailand have to say about the drug war?

 

If it were up to the Thai people, Thaksin would be back in power in an instant.

Any free and fair election will return a Thaksinite party to power.

 

A civil war?

It would be an 80/20 split.

The military leadership, billionaires, bureaucrats, religious nutters and fascists being the 20 - and the sure losers.

 

Your 20% conveniently omitted the most influential entity and it's cult like power and following. 

All of which can be commonplace among analyst whom truly lack the understanding of how things really function here........and how all this has operated for quite some time.

[wordchild]

On 8/9/2022 at 10:50 AM, Dionigi said:

Sooooo money made on stock deals is not taxable?

Under Thai law then (and now) if the transaction took place on the SET (Thai stock market) then such trades are not subject to tax.

As a concession gains made on the stock market are (generally) not treated as a persons assessable income.

[MrMojoRisin]

1 hour ago, zzaa09 said:

Your 20% conveniently omitted the most influential entity and it's cult like power and following. 

All of which can be commonplace among analyst whom truly lack the understanding of how things really function here........and how all this has operated for quite some time.

Euphemistically referred to as religious nutters.

[gk10012001]

He was the last elected PM.  Good, bad or indifferent, continually having coups, throwing away constitutions is , well, not the way democratically governed states are run

[MisterTee]

34 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Euphemistically referred to as religious nutters.

Religion, specifically Buddhism, and the institution referred to are allied but different entities.

If you don't fully grasp that, your study of Thai ways will only lead you around in circles.

[MrMojoRisin]

5 minutes ago, MisterTee said:

Religion, specifically Buddhism, and the institution referred to are allied but different entities.

If you don't fully grasp that, your study of Thai ways will only lead you around in circles.

My study of Thai ways has taught me that “the institution” unfortunately cannot be mentioned without risk of, at the very least, upsetting one nutter or another. Conservative institutions, no matter which type, have a tendency to appeal to fanatical nutters…. the preceding group identity matters little, for they are nutters one and all.

 

 

[DeaconJohn]

55 minutes ago, gk10012001 said:

He was the last elected PM.  Good, bad or indifferent, continually having coups, throwing away constitutions is , well, not the way democratically governed states are run

Tell me again how many military coups there have been since 1932.

Generals in command are as Thai as sohm tam.

The iron fist in the velvet glove has ruled the realm since forever - fat chance that will change anytime soon.

When civilians take power it becomes a kleptocracy in double quick time.

Thais themselves complain about their dictators but prefer an authoritarian gov't to anarchy and fighting in the streets.

[VillageIdiot]

52 minutes ago, MisterTee said:

Religion, specifically Buddhism, and the institution referred to are allied but different entities.

If you don't fully grasp that, your study of Thai ways will only lead you around in circles.

So true.

   Put some dosh on the Military and go for a perfect trifecta.

[MrMojoRisin]

5 hours ago, DeaconJohn said:

Tell me again how many military coups there have been since 1932.

Generals in command are as Thai as sohm tam.

The iron fist in the velvet glove has ruled the realm since forever - fat chance that will change anytime soon.

Nonsense.

 

irreversible change has and is occurring.

 

5 hours ago, DeaconJohn said:

When civilians take power it becomes a kleptocracy in double quick time.

This comment has got to take the cake as the most inaccurate and silliest yet made on this forum.

 

If you believe there has been coup after coup to prevent civilian corruption (not to maintain military and elite corruption) then I’ve got a boatload of GT200 bomb detectors to sell you.

 

Yours has got to be the dumbest anti democracy statement ever uttered.

 

5 hours ago, DeaconJohn said:

Thais themselves complain about their dictators but prefer an authoritarian gov't to anarchy and fighting in the streets.

Why the fear of elections from those in power then?

Why the jailing of anyone willing to speak up?

Why the constant illegal banning of popular opposition figures?

Why the abuse of section 112 of the constitution?

Why the constant disbanding of opposition political parties?

Why the constant rewriting of the constitution?

Why the oppressive Computer Crimes laws?

[zzaa09]

15 hours ago, DaddyWarbucks said:

Your post and the one you replied to nail Thaksin's cojones to the floor, so no need for repetition about economic crimes. 

Those of us who lived here during his time in power will remember some inconvenient facts that the Kool-Aid drinkers either don't know or choose to ignore.

The egregious corruption of his administration pales beside the drug war massacres, one of which resulted in 2,873 Thais dead in three months, from February to April 2003.

The victims included whole families, women, children and old people.

That was from just one relatively short period of time. How many died in total on his watch is open to conjecture.

When UN sec-gen Kofi Anan nominated a rapporteur to investigate these gross human roghts abuses, Thaksin's angry response  was "the UN is not my father".

He will never regain power in Thailand. A civil war would result if he did.

Shhhhh..

Don't wanna upset the Kool-Aid cart. 

[Ralf001]

On 8/11/2022 at 5:24 PM, zzaa09 said:

....and what of the always lovely Yingluck? 

Keeping a very low profile over the last few years. 

 

 

 

As she is a citizen of Serbia I assume she is kicking back relaxing in her Belgrade mansion.

[zzaa09]

9 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

As she is a citizen of Serbia I assume she is kicking back relaxing in her Belgrade mansion.

Yet, doesn't address her relative silence over the last few years, unlike her over attention seeking brother who is everywhere amongst the underground/alternative media [most of which he's designed and underwrites]. All the inane politics aside, I really don't think that she's comfortable in exile........being Thai, she misses her Thai surroundings. She's much less a sociopathic than her esteemed brother.

[Ralf001]

1 minute ago, zzaa09 said:

Yet, doesn't address her relative silence over the last few years, unlike her over attention seeking brother who is everywhere amongst the underground/alternative media [most of which he's designed and underwrites]. All the inane politics aside, I really don't think that she's comfortable in exile........being Thai, she misses her Thai surroundings. She's much less a sociopathic than her esteemed brother.

she has real deep pockets and can comfortably do what ever she pleases.

 

I know many Thai people (that have pockets very much not as deep) living around the world and they could not give zero fecks for Thailand.... why should she be any different.