Britain’s opposition Labour Party demand energy price cap freeze

[Scott]

By Andrew MacAskill

LONDON, Aug 15 (Reuters) - Britain's main opposition Labour Party called on Monday for the energy price cap to be frozen this autumn to help the public deal with another expected surge in fuel bills during the worst cost-of-living crisis in decades.

 

Labour leader Keir Starmer said his party, if in power, would cap energy costs at the current level of 1,971 pounds ($2,386) per year for six months from October and would pay for it by extending the windfall tax on oil and gas companies in the North Sea.

 

The 29 billion-pound plan is aimed at increasing pressure on foreign minister Liz Truss and former finance minister Rishi Sunak, the two Conservative Party politicians vying to be Britain's next prime minister after Boris Johnson said he would step down.

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/britains-opposition-labour-party-demand-energy-price-cap-freeze

[Bluespunk]

Nah, should go with Gordon Brown’s nationalisation idea…but kudos to starmer for throwing this into the truss/sunak campaigns.

 

No doubt both will be busy explaining why they don’t think this plan will work.
 

Though in truss’ case we will have to wait until someone on her team “clarifies” what she meant the next day. 

[baboon]

No. They should renationalise power and water. Privatisation has been an abject failure and people will die this winter as a result. 

What is the point of government if not to look after the citizen?

[baboon]

6 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Nah, should go with Gordon Brown’s nationalisation idea…but kudos to starmer for throwing this into the truss/sunak campaigns.

And so the Tories will win again, with terrifying consequences to working people. The ones who survive this winter, that is...

[Loiner]

14 hours ago, Scott said:

Labour leader Keir Starmer said his party, if in power,

Back off his holidays then? Why was there no outcry about him being away at a time of crisis?

 

The real point here is “…if in power…”. He isn’t and never will be, so whatever he says is of no consequence. As he’s labour it will be a pack of lies anyway. 

[SunnyinBangrak]

14 hours ago, Scott said:

Labour leader Keir Starmer said his party, if in power, would cap energy costs at the current level of 1,971 pounds ($2,386) per year for six months from October and would pay for it by extending the windfall tax on oil and gas companies in the North Sea.

What Starmer and all other of his ilk fail to realize is that by disincentivizing private companies oil and gas exploration in the North Sea they are creating a perfect storm for the future and guaranteeing both supply issues and also an inability to control price spikes as the UK will be forced to scramble to import energy or fire up the old coal power plants to meet energy demands. Cutting fuel taxes would be the sensible route here, and if the budget can't cover this, then start sacking civil servants.

 This hare-brained scheme will come back to haunt the Brits in the not too distant future.

 

[transam]

13 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Nah, should go with Gordon Brown’s nationalisation idea…but kudos to Starmer for throwing this into the Truss/Sunak campaigns.

 

No doubt both will be busy explaining why they don’t think this plan will work.
 

Though in Truss’ case, we will have to wait until someone on her team “clarifies” what she meant the next day. 

Isn't nationalising a Socialist thingy that in the past didn't work out........?

 

I don't think anyone will take notice of Sir as he isn't in a position to do anything, just expected bluster....

 

I am sure Liz's team are ready and waiting to explain stuff to the confused.....???? 

[Bluespunk]

8 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Back off his holidays then? Why was there no outcry about him being away at a time of crisis?

 

The real point here is “…if in power…”. He isn’t and never will be, so whatever he says is of no consequence. As he’s labour it will be a pack of lies anyway. 

Talking of holidays

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/15/senior-tory-defends-johnson-for-taking-second-holiday-amid-energy-crisis?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

 

[Bluespunk]

11 minutes ago, transam said:

Isn't nationalising a Socialist thingy that in the past didn't work out........?

 

I don't think anyone will take notice of Sir as he isn't in a position to do anything, just expected bluster....

 

I am sure Liz's team are ready and waiting to explain stuff to the confused.....???? 

You may note that starmer has not advocated nationalisation.

 

And if you think that what is happening now is working out then you have clearly lost touch with reality.
 

truss’ team are probably already explaining stuff to the confused -that being their candidate…hopefully, for truss, clarification team are on standby for when she demonstrates that the explanation didn’t sink in. 

Edited August 16, 2022 by Bluespunk
Punctuation

[transam]

5 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Talking of holidays

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/15/senior-tory-defends-johnson-for-taking-second-holiday-amid-energy-crisis?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

 

I bet the lefty Guardian had to do a double check it wasn't a Ukraine destination.....????

[Bluespunk]

Just now, transam said:

I bet the lefty Guardian had to do a double check it wasn't a Ukraine destination.....????

I don’t think they did as they are just reporting the facts-double helpings holidays while the country endures crisis. 
 

 

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

You may note that Starmer has not advocated nationalisation.

 

And if you think that what is happening now is working out then you have clearly lost touch with reality.
 

Truss’ team are probably already explaining stuff to the confused -that being their candidate…hopefully, for Truss, clarification team are on standby for when she demonstrates that the explanation didn’t sink in. 

Labour Party not advocating nationalisation, what is happening to them, it's what socialists do, well, did....????

[Bluespunk]

Just now, transam said:

Labour Party not advocating nationalisation, what is happening to them, it's what socialists do, well, did....????

Nonetheless starmer is not advocating any such thing in this policy. 
 

Do try to keep to the facts eh…

[transam]

6 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Nonetheless, Starmer is not advocating any such thing in this policy. 
 

Do try to keep to the facts eh…

I am relying on you for the lefty updates, but not from That Guardian.......????

[Bluespunk]

7 minutes ago, transam said:

I am relying on you for the lefty updates, but not from That Guardian.......????

The news and facts are accurate, that you can’t cope with that and blame the source is your problem not the sources. 

[Loiner]

21 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

I don’t think they did as they are just reporting the facts-double helpings holidays while the country endures crisis. 
 

 

Labour and MSM were the cause of him going on gardening leave, and now are putting their own spin on him not been at his desk. It’s a bit rich, but only the rubbish you expect from them. 

[Bluespunk]

2 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Labour and MSM were the cause of him going on gardening leave, and now are putting their own spin on him not been at his desk. It’s a bit rich, but only the rubbish you expect from them. 

Nonsense. 

[Loiner]

43 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

The news and facts are accurate, that you can’t cope with that and blame the source is your problem not the sources. 

Nonsense. 

[Bluespunk]

13 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Nonsense. 

As usual you are wrong. 

[RayC]

1 hour ago, transam said:

Labour Party not advocating nationalisation, what is happening to them, it's what socialists do, well, did....????

I'm pleased to be able to (partly) agree with you for once: A socialist party would probably advocate nationalisation.

 

Where you are wrong is in implying that the Labour Party is socialist.

[transam]

8 minutes ago, RayC said:

I'm pleased to be able to (partly) agree with you for once: A socialist party would probably advocate nationalisation.

 

Where you are wrong is in implying that the Labour Party is socialist.

Weeeeeell, I have always looked at the Labour Party as being socialists, as many do....????

 

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2016/09/labour-socialist

[transam]

1 hour ago, Bluespunk said:

The news and facts are accurate, that you can’t cope with that and blame the source is your problem not the sources. 

Interesting rag list....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorsements_in_the_2019_United_Kingdom_general_election

[Chomper Higgot]

Smart messaging and very smart timing from Labour.

 

Millions of people up and down the nation are struggling to pay bills, millions are already in debt to energy companies at a time when warm weather might otherwise have given them chance to pay back debt/build credit.

 

And these millions have in mind the certain fact more price hikes are in the pipeline.

 

These millions are also being treated to an incumbent Tory PM refusing point blank to help them, while two more Tories vie for his job, the front runner of which has stated no more handouts.

 

Labour has offered a clear, simple and costed proposal that addresses the concerns of people being driven into poverty by energy bills at a time when oil and gas companies are raking in vast profits.

 

The electorate have time to hear these proposals, measure them against their own needs and ponder this while the Tories continue for weeks more of internal wrangling with nothing but more pain on offer for the millions facing a choice between ‘Heating and Eating’.

 

Well done Starmer, spot on target!

[transam]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Smart messaging and very smart timing from Labour.

 

Millions of people up and down the nation are struggling to pay bills, millions are already in debt to energy companies at a time when warm weather might otherwise have given them chance to pay back debt/build credit.

 

And these millions have in mind the certain fact more price hikes are in the pipeline.

 

These millions are also being treated to an incumbent Tory PM refusing point blank to help them, while two more Tories vie for his job, the front runner of which has stated no more handouts.

 

Labour has offered a clear, simple and costed proposal that addresses the concerns of people being driven into poverty by energy bills at a time when oil and gas companies are raking in vast profits.

 

The electorate have time to hear these proposals, measure them against their own needs and ponder this while the Tories continue for weeks more of internal wrangling with nothing but more pain on offer for the millions facing a choice between ‘Heating and Eating’.

 

Well done Starmer, spot on target!

He will offer anything from where he is standing, shame he can't stop the rail strikes, which cause misery for many...????

[Chomper Higgot]

Of course, if working people can’t pay their bills they will demand higher pay, perhaps resorting to industrial action (as is their right).

 

Millions of people in a wealthy nation having to choose between ‘Heating and Eating’, millions of others already struggling to afford food.

 

Clearly this is not going to be tolerated for long.

 

Well done Starmer for proposing practical and costed help to millions of people struggling with extortionate energy prices.

 

 

Edited August 16, 2022 by Chomper Higgot

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, transam said:

Interesting rag list....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorsements_in_the_2019_United_Kingdom_general_election

Nonetheless the policy outlined has nothing to do with nationalisation. 

[baboon]

3 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Nonetheless starmer is not advocating any such thing in this policy. 
 

Do try to keep to the facts eh…

There is a first time for everything, I suppose....

[transam]

1 minute ago, baboon said:

There is a first time for everything, I suppose....

I quite agree, Starmer is doing his best....????

[RayC]

1 hour ago, transam said:

Weeeeeell, I have always looked at the Labour Party as being socialists, as many do....????

 

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2016/09/labour-socialist

It may have been in the past, but as that article mentions, with the removal of Clause 4 in the 90s, the Labour Party no longer stands on a platform of the social ownership of the means of production. It is just another social democratic party supporting capitalism. 

 

And before anyone launches into you're a terrorist-loving, Brit-hating, Putin-loving, etc tirade, I'm not suggesting that socialism is necessarily desirable, merely pointing out that the current Labour Party is not socialist.

[baboon]

4 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

What Starmer and all other of his ilk fail to realize is that by disincentivizing private companies oil and gas exploration in the North Sea they are creating a perfect storm for the future and guaranteeing both supply issues and also an inability to control price spikes as the UK will be forced to scramble to import energy or fire up the old coal power plants to meet energy demands. Cutting fuel taxes would be the sensible route here, and if the budget can't cover this, then start sacking civil servants.

 This hare-brained scheme will come back to haunt the Brits in the not too distant future.

 

Renationalise. Problem solved.