19 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

What "justice" is there for him to "face" that he is not facing?  Are you suggesting that he's been indicted for something?

Surely, Andy boy agreeing to pay $21 million USD in compensation is an admission of guilt! Why otherwise would he agree?

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

He was never accused of having sex with underage girls, because by her own admission she was 17 years old at the time and the legal age of consent in the location that the alleged event took place is 16 years old.

I’m not sure you understand the law on this matter.

 

His victim was an American, and was trafficked for the proposed of sex.

 

Regardless, my statement is still correct, Prince Andrew was credibility accused, Refer court filing I have posted.

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m not sure you understand the law on this matter.

 

His victim was an American, and was trafficked for the proposed of sex.

 

Regardless, my statement is still correct, Prince Andrew was credibility accused, Refer court filing I have posted.

I understand the law, and her nationality has nothing to do with it. The alleged offence took place in the UK where the legal age of consent is 16. She doesn't take American laws with her around the world to implement in her country of choice.

 

Allegedly trafficked for sex. Never proven in a court of law. Many, myself included believe that she was a fully cooperative participant who later saw an opportunity to make millions of pounds by fleecing a Royal by pretending she was trafficked when in fact she was working as a high class escort and was by her own admission, helping to recruit other girls.

 

Either way, she was over legal age of consent when the alleged event took place and Andrew was never accused or convicted of having underage sex so calling him a nonce is inaccurate.

23 hours ago, DaLa said:

'Public respect' , at your mother's funeral procession ?

Respect should only be given to people who deserve it.

22 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Either way, she was over legal age of consent when the alleged event took place and Andrew was never accused or convicted of having underage sex so calling him a nonce is inaccurate

So why did he agree to pay her $21 million USD???

6 minutes ago, 2baht said:

So why did he agree to pay her $21 million USD???

The crime, and it was a crime in the US, was committed on US soil.  

Just now, 2baht said:

So why did he agree to pay her $21 million USD???

You'd have to ask him.

 

If I had to guess, I suspect he didn't want a lengthy court case with lurid, sensationalist, salacious stories (quite possibly false or at least exaggerated) of him having sex with a "high class" escort being splashed on the front page of the newspapers during the final year of his mother's life.

 

I'm sure many on this forum have had some wild, yet perfectly legal nights out here in Thailand that they wouldn't necessarily want on the front page of the national newspapers for their friends/family to see.

Just now, Credo said:

The crime, and it was a crime in the US, was committed on US soil.  

Does it matter where it was? It's an admission of guilt in any language!

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Was he arrested? Is there a court case?

Looked to me like he was just being moved on for his own safety.

Arrested and charged. 
 

Man charged over heckling of Prince Andrew as he followed coffin https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-62889396

Edited September 14, 20223 yr by Bluespunk

13 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Alleged crime.

 

Accused, never convicted.

Because of a settlement! What innocent person pays that amount of money for something to go away?

Edited September 14, 20223 yr by Gottfrid

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

I understand the law, and her nationality has nothing to do with it. The alleged offence took place in the UK where the legal age of consent is 16. She doesn't take American laws with her around the world to implement in her country of choice.

 

Allegedly trafficked for sex. Never proven in a court of law. Many, myself included believe that she was a fully cooperative participant who later saw an opportunity to make millions of pounds by fleecing a Royal by pretending she was trafficked when in fact she was working as a high class escort and was by her own admission, helping to recruit other girls.

 

Either way, she was over legal age of consent when the alleged event took place and Andrew was never accused or convicted of having underage sex so calling him a nonce is inaccurate.

"Ms Giuffre, now 38, claimed the duke, 61, sexually assaulted her on three occasions when she was 17 at Ghislaine Maxwell's home in London, in Epstein's mansion in New York and on Epstein's private island in the US Virgin Islands." From BBC.

It's been a while since New York was located in the UK.

Yes, allegedly, but still credible.

Edited September 14, 20223 yr by stevenl

8 minutes ago, 2baht said:

Twenty one million US dollars, yeah, ok. That's twenty one million US dollars! At least he did'nt sweat! ????

Do you have any idea of the wealth of the Royal family?

 

That's like you paying 50 quid. Of someone else's money ????.

 

Of course he's going to pay it. That's exactly why she accused him. Like taking candy from a baby.

28 minutes ago, 2baht said:

It's called associating with known criminals!

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeer, I don't think you know about famous folk who mingled with famous crooks. I will say no more.....????

So forget it..... ????

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

Do you have any idea of the wealth of the Royal family?

 

That's like you paying 50 quid. Of someone else's money ????.

 

Of course he's going to pay it. That's exactly why she accused him. Like taking candy from a baby.

????????Onya Jonny!

24 minutes ago, stevenl said:

"Ms Giuffre, now 38, claimed the duke, 61, sexually assaulted her on three occasions when she was 17 at Ghislaine Maxwell's home in London, in Epstein's mansion in New York and on Epstein's private island in the US Virgin Islands." From BBC.

It's been a while since New York was located in the UK.

Yes, allegedly, but still credible.

The alleged incident that we were discussing (when she was 17) occurred in London, which is in the UK.

 

I am sure you are aware of the legal precedent, Innocent until proven guilty.

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

Alleged crime.

 

Accused, never convicted.

Ah, and it's only alleged because the perpetrator would not travel to the US to attend court and extraditing a member of the royal family could be a bit tricky.  But the sum he paid out pretty much tells the story.

 

1 hour ago, 2baht said:

Does it matter where it was? It's an admission of guilt in any language!

Loads of cases never come to court because "settled out of court". As for the amount, I think it was excessive, but I wasn't in the room to know why.

Perhaps they looked at the Michael Jackson case where a payment was made to make a claim go away, and the suspect IMO reneged in hopes of more, so they had to give enough to make sure that didn't happen.

BTW anyone that followed the Jackson case knows why it's better to pay to stay out of the IMO circus of trial by media.

1 hour ago, Bluespunk said:

Arrested and charged. 
 

Man charged over heckling of Prince Andrew as he followed coffin https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-62889396

Good news. I hope he gets the maximum sentence.

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Good news. I hope he gets the maximum sentence.

I hope he gets let off...

Just now, Bluespunk said:

I hope he gets let off...

I hope not.

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I hope not.

Yes, I kind of gathered that...

A baiting post has been removed

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

I understand the law, and her nationality has nothing to do with it. The alleged offence took place in the UK where the legal age of consent is 16. She doesn't take American laws with her around the world to implement in her country of choice.

 

Allegedly trafficked for sex. Never proven in a court of law. Many, myself included believe that she was a fully cooperative participant who later saw an opportunity to make millions of pounds by fleecing a Royal by pretending she was trafficked when in fact she was working as a high class escort and was by her own admission, helping to recruit other girls.

 

Either way, she was over legal age of consent when the alleged event took place and Andrew was never accused or convicted of having underage sex so calling him a nonce is inaccurate.

You clear do not understand the law, certainly not US Federal (extra territorial) Law as it relates to trafficking US citizens for sex and the age of consent to engage in paid sex (regardless of who is doing the paying).

 

 

 

 

Edited September 14, 20223 yr by Chomper Higgot

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You clear do not understand the law, certainly not US Federal Law as it relates to trafficking US citizens for sex and the age of consent to engage in paid sex (regardless of who is doing the paying).

 

 

Got a link for that, to enlighten us.....?

1 hour ago, proton said:

when you label them 'hate speech' ?

Give me some examples of were I have labelled peaceful protests as ‘hate speech’?

 

Or do you feel you can just make stuff up?!

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Surely IF sleeping with trafficked girls was a crime the American VVIPs that slept with Jeffrey's trafficked girls would all be under investigation? After all, the authorities have the complete client list, indeed it is widely available on the web. Serious crimes like trafficking/slavery do still get investigated right? Is there a valid reason why out of all the elite people that slept with Jeffrey's trafficked girls Price Andrew is the only guilty guy? 

Whataboutary.

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

The alleged incident that we were discussing (when she was 17) occurred in London, which is in the UK.

 

I am sure you are aware of the legal precedent, Innocent until proven guilty.

It doesn’t matter, she was a US citizen trafficked out of the US for sex.

 

50 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Good news. I hope he gets the maximum sentence.

Under what law?

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

It doesn’t matter, she was a US citizen trafficked out of the US for sex.

 

Allegedly.

 

More likely is she was a well paid escort operating under her own free will and living the life of riley.

 

I know which theory I find most likely. 

 

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Under what law?

Charged with causing a public disturbance.....lucky the police intervened otherwise he would have got a bloody good hiding which he thoroughly deserved....anyone defending his actions must suffer from the same mental illness...IMHO.