Harry has turned against military, says ex-commander

[Scott 20901]

 

A retired commanding officer has accused Prince Harry of "turning against" his military family after "having trashed his birth family".

In his memoir, the Duke of Sussex describes killing 25 Taliban fighters in Afghanistan as "chess pieces taken off the board".

Ex-colonel Tim Collins said that was "not how you behave in the army".

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-64185176

[MRToMRT 3798]

We should rename him Rodney, Duke of Peckham, what a plonker.

Edited January 7 by MRToMRT

[Denim 22809]

He's turned against so many now it can only end with him disappearing into his own sphincter.

[JonnyF 29843]

Really dumb move. He has 2 young kids and has put his whole family at risk from acts of retaliation. 

 

For what? A few million more that he doesn't even need? I have always questioned his intelligence but at this point I have to question his sanity.

 

He is always talking about how his job is to [deep posh voice, serious expression] "protect my family" and then he brags to the world about killing 25 Taliban fighters.

 

I hope he has exceptional security.

[Hanaguma 5548]

Of the myriad things that Spare has been accused of, being bright is NOT one of them.

[Credo 13355]

His insight and honesty is refreshing.  He has served his country and his Queen.  An admirable person.  

 

[thaibeachlovers 48731]

6 hours ago, Credo said:

His insight and honesty is refreshing.  He has served his country and his Queen.  An admirable person.  

 

LOL. How does trashing his family serve the Queen ( the royal family )?

 

He did serve in the military and had the respect of most for it. His wedding had people queuing for days to cheer the carriage. Yet all that good will gone in a couple of years. This poster has no doubts as to who was responsible, and it's not Charles or William, or their wives.

[bendejo 11793]

trump, elon, kanye, and now harry

All suffering from Attention Deficit Disorder, but of a different type.

 

 

[Credo 13355]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. How does trashing his family serve the Queen ( the royal family )?

 

He did serve in the military and had the respect of most for it. His wedding had people queuing for days to cheer the carriage. Yet all that good will gone in a couple of years. This poster has no doubts as to who was responsible, and it's not Charles or William, or their wives.

He served THE QUEEN.  He respected her, and he has not spoken poorly about her.  She is the Head of State, his military service was in her name.  

 

He had no use or purpose in the Royal Family.  He had no ability to go anywhere.  He has no real role.  He will never be king and as long as he stayed in the firm, he would be locked into the role he had.  He never chose the role, it was by virtue of birth.  Like many of the 'spares', like Andrew and Margaret, they did not fare well.   

[Saanim 803]

7 hours ago, Credo said:

He served THE QUEEN.  He respected her, and he has not spoken poorly about her.  She is the Head of State, his military service was in her name.  

 

He had no use or purpose in the Royal Family.  He had no ability to go anywhere.  He has no real role.  He will never be king and as long as he stayed in the firm, he would be locked into the role he had.  He never chose the role, it was by virtue of birth.  Like many of the 'spares', like Andrew and Margaret, they did not fare well.   

So, hasn't he become a hero for his service to his country (and for the killing of some Talies)? 

[billd766 38214]

17 hours ago, Credo said:

His insight and honesty is refreshing.  He has served his country and his Queen.  An admirable person.  

 

That would make me an admirable person as well.

 

I served QE II in the RAF for 25 years in the RAF from 1960 to 1984.

 

To me he comes across as a whiney spoilt brat who is big enough and old enough to make his own mistakes without blaming anybody else.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-64197679

 

He claims to have only cried once after his mothers death. Why did he not cry in the privacy of his own home when he was on his own?

 

Is he the only person in the world to have lost his mother?

 

He supposedly had a fight with his brother and his necklace got broken.

 

What brothers don't fight each other sometimes?

 

What I have noticed is that all these claims etc are the ones that he makes. None of the other members of the Royal Family respond to it.

[billd766 38214]

9 hours ago, Credo said:

He served THE QUEEN.  He respected her, and he has not spoken poorly about her.  She is the Head of State, his military service was in her name.  

 

He had no use or purpose in the Royal Family.  He had no ability to go anywhere.  He has no real role.  He will never be king and as long as he stayed in the firm, he would be locked into the role he had.  He never chose the role, it was by virtue of birth.  Like many of the 'spares', like Andrew and Margaret, they did not fare well.   

 

How about his grandfather George Vl, who was also a spare, yet became King George Vl in 1936 when his brother Edward Vlll abdicated?

 

Or even his Aunt Anne and Uncle Edward who were also Spares. I don't remember either of them whining about that.

 

Yet Anne and Edward carried on and did their duties without complaint.

 

He supposedly wants reconciliation with his father and brother and if he does this is probably the worst way to go about it.

[Credo 13355]

10 hours ago, billd766 said:

 

How about his grandfather George Vl, who was also a spare, yet became King George Vl in 1936 when his brother Edward Vlll abdicated?

 

Or even his Aunt Anne and Uncle Edward who were also Spares. I don't remember either of them whining about that.

 

Yet Anne and Edward carried on and did their duties without complaint.

 

He supposedly wants reconciliation with his father and brother and if he does this is probably the worst way to go about it.

Well, first, thank you for your service to your Queen and country.  Second, I do agree that he comes across as a bit whiny, but a lot of that is because it's hard to relate to anyone from a life of such extreme privilege being upset by anything.   

I suspect it's not really fair to equate the loss of his mother to anyone else's loss of a parent.  At the time, he was of a pretty tender age, and it always seemed from what I saw in photos and on video clips that he had a very special relationship with his mother.  Diana had only two children, an heir and a spare.  He really had only a brother to compare himself to, whereas the queen's children had others to figure out their role in the family and in the Firm.  

 

William, being the heir, was treated differently.  His path was clear to him.  I suspect the family went to great extents to see that he stayed on the straight and narrow and gave him all the encouragement he needed to fulfill his role.  Harry really had no role.  He was the understudy for the great performance.  He appears to be sensitive and his feelings have mostly manifested in behavior that is more negative -- his military service was certainly more intense than most royals.  He was in the trenches, so to speak, he seemed to relate well to ordinary soldiers.  When left to his own endeavors, he was a bit of a party animal.  William, on the other hand, was much more restrained.  He even married 'right'.   

 

Make no mistake.  I admire the royal family.  I think William is an upstanding guy and will one day make a superb king.  It's a family drama playing out in public view.  

 

I think it's hard to always know you will b 2nd fiddle to your brother.  I know families where this sort of thing has happened, and it doesn't usually go well.  I think the loss of his mother and watching everyone flock to support his brother was more painful for him than many expect.  

 

I wish him and his family the very best, and I hope one day they will be on cordial terms.   I also believe that the passing of the Queen has made that more difficult.  The family matriarch held that family together.  

 

[herfiehandbag 13858]

On 1/7/2023 at 8:25 PM, Credo said:

His insight and honesty is refreshing.  He has served his country and his Queen.  An admirable person.  

 

 

On 1/8/2023 at 2:52 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. How does trashing his family serve the Queen ( the royal family )?

 

He did serve in the military and had the respect of most for it. His wedding had people queuing for days to cheer the carriage. Yet all that good will gone in a couple of years. This poster has no doubts as to who was responsible, and it's not Charles or William, or their wives.

I was presuming that @Credowas, umh, extracting the urine?

[JonnyF 29843]

Tim Collins is right.

 

But he has not only turned against the military. He has turned against his own family and his nation. His wife has managed to isolate him out in California and now he is fully under the control of the narcissist.

 

Unfortunately, he lacks the intelligence required to see this.

 

 

[thaibeachlovers 48731]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

Tim Collins is right.

 

But he has not only turned against the military. He has turned against his own family and his nation. His wife has managed to isolate him out in California and now he is fully under the control of the narcissist.

 

Unfortunately, he lacks the intelligence required to see this.

 

 

IMO he sees it, but doesn't know how to get out of it without losing one side or the other. Crawl back to the royals and lose his child, or lose his royal family. Not a choice I'd like to make.

[ozimoron 22395]

On 1/8/2023 at 2:52 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. How does trashing his family serve the Queen ( the royal family )?

 

He did serve in the military and had the respect of most for it. His wedding had people queuing for days to cheer the carriage. Yet all that good will gone in a couple of years. This poster has no doubts as to who was responsible, and it's not Charles or William, or their wives.

How does trashing Harry and Meghan serve the monarchy. Who started this?

[JonnyF 29843]

At least he's confirmed his family isn't actually racist after all.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2023/01/08/prince-harry-never-said-royal-family-racist/

 

Must have all been a huge misunderstanding 😆.

 

 

 

[billd766 38214]

11 hours ago, Credo said:

Well, first, thank you for your service to your Queen and country.  Second, I do agree that he comes across as a bit whiny, but a lot of that is because it's hard to relate to anyone from a life of such extreme privilege being upset by anything.   

I suspect it's not really fair to equate the loss of his mother to anyone else's loss of a parent.  At the time, he was of a pretty tender age, and it always seemed from what I saw in photos and on video clips that he had a very special relationship with his mother.  Diana had only two children, an heir and a spare.  He really had only a brother to compare himself to, whereas the queen's children had others to figure out their role in the family and in the Firm.  

 

William, being the heir, was treated differently.  His path was clear to him.  I suspect the family went to great extents to see that he stayed on the straight and narrow and gave him all the encouragement he needed to fulfill his role.  Harry really had no role.  He was the understudy for the great performance.  He appears to be sensitive and his feelings have mostly manifested in behavior that is more negative -- his military service was certainly more intense than most royals.  He was in the trenches, so to speak, he seemed to relate well to ordinary soldiers.  When left to his own endeavors, he was a bit of a party animal.  William, on the other hand, was much more restrained.  He even married 'right'.   

 

Make no mistake.  I admire the royal family.  I think William is an upstanding guy and will one day make a superb king.  It's a family drama playing out in public view.  

 

I think it's hard to always know you will b 2nd fiddle to your brother.  I know families where this sort of thing has happened, and it doesn't usually go well.  I think the loss of his mother and watching everyone flock to support his brother was more painful for him than many expect.  

 

I wish him and his family the very best, and I hope one day they will be on cordial terms.   I also believe that the passing of the Queen has made that more difficult.  The family matriarch held that family together.  

 

My first brother died in 1928, some 16 years before I was born and I never knew him.

My adopted (middle) brother was 13 years older than me, so no sibling rivalry there.

 

My Dad died when I was 14 years old, which left my Mum and me.

 

Neither of us whined or moaned about it. We accepted as a fact of life (or death if you wish) and got on with our lives.

 

Harry is bitching so much about how the press hounds him and won't leave him or Meghan alone.

 

Yet whenever I bother to read about him it is about his (ghostwritten) book or the Netflix series or how he wants his father and brother back and it is up to them to heal the breach. What he seems to be doing, at least to me, is that every time he opens his mouth, is making the breach wider and deeper.

 

That is NOT the way to do it.

 

When he married Meghan he was 34, big enough and old enough to talk his plans for the both of them through with the family. To listen to the advice given, and to take that advice or not.

 

He chose to do it his way and now he has to deal with his life as it is now.

 

Publicly whining, complaining and blaming everybody for your own mistakes and problems is not the way to win friends or bring you back to your family.

 

A tale that my Mum told me years ago is still true today for most people.

 

 

"You've made your bed and now you lie in it."

 

Meaning

 

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/you-ve-made-your-bed-now-lie-in-it

 

"said to someone who must accept the unpleasant results of something they have done"

 

or   https://www.dictionary.com/browse/you-ve-made-your-bed--now-lie-in-it

 

"You made a decision and now must accept its consequences."

 

I used to have some sympathy for Harry, but not any more due to his current antics.

 

[billd766 38214]

Harry is now becoming a laughing stock and the butt of many jokes worldwide.

 

I don't think that he has realised, or thought through the possible causes of his actions.

[ozimoron 22395]

2 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Harry is now becoming a laughing stock and the butt of many jokes worldwide.

 

I don't think that he has realised, or thought through the possible causes of his actions.

I doubt that any of those things factored into his calculations. I think he's just motivated to tell the truth about his life. Nothing else makes sense.

[Sheryl 39136]

None of the people commenting have, as far as I can tell,  actually read the book which is not yet even released. 

 

Neither have I.

 

But comparing the media reports of what was in the Netflix series to what was actually in it, I'd draw no conclusions based on media reports of what is in the book. There tends to be significant distortion 

[ozimoron 22395]

Prince Harry defended his decision to publish a memoir that lays bare rifts inside Britain’s royal family, saying it’s an attempt to “own my story” after 38 years of “spin and distortion” by others.

 

https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-united-kingdom-prince-harry-books-and-literature-nonfiction-7082bf624e4b43826d0cc39ce69f961f

[Bkk Brian 37929]

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I doubt that any of those things factored into his calculations. I think he's just motivated to tell the truth about his life. Nothing else makes sense.

Agreed, it seems to have been all in or nothing. Have to say I don't agree it was right to reveal how many Taliban he killed and some other details but he has. Shame really. I guess with his father giving interviews admitting having an affair followed by Diana giving her bombshell interviews this would also have been a trigger for him to do the same but go all in.

 

Prince Harry's 'self-destructive' behaviour could be sign of PTSD - and he should be protected, says Army veteran

Prince Harry's "self-destructive" behaviour could be influenced by post-traumatic stress disorder, according to a retired colonel who has also suffered with the condition.

Philip Ingram said he recognises many of his former traits in the duke's demeanour and that he physically "shivered" when he saw some of his recent interviews.

"I'm seeing a troubled individual and an individual that needs help, not someone who should be continuously criticised in the way he is being."

https://news.sky.com/story/prince-harrys-self-destructive-behaviour-could-be-sign-of-ptsd-and-he-should-be-protected-says-army-veteran-12781533

[JonnyF 29843]

1 hour ago, Sheryl said:

None of the people commenting have, as far as I can tell,  actually read the book which is not yet even released. 

 

Neither have I.

 

But comparing the media reports of what was in the Netflix series to what was actually in it, I'd draw no conclusions based on media reports of what is in the book. There tends to be significant distortion 

Him and his wife have told so many lies they can't even keep up with their own stories. They frequently contradict themselves, and each other.

 

Now that he is saying his family isn't actually racist, one wonders why they collected the award for their "heroic stand" against structural racism within the British Monarchy.

 

https://people.com/royals/prince-harry-denies-meghan-markle-accused-the-royal-family-of-racism-oprah-interview-spare-memoir/

 

https://www.news24.com/channel/gossip/royal-news/harry-and-meghan-earn-prestigious-award-for-heroic-stand-against-structural-racism-in-monarchy-20221207-2

 

They really have become a laughing stock.

 

[ozimoron 22395]

Prince Harry also wrote in his new autobiography about how his service in the British military saved his life, telling Cooper in the sitdown interview that he was able to find normalcy during his tenure. 

“Got me out of the spotlight from the– from the U.K. press. I was able to focus on a purpose larger than myself, to be wearing the same uniform as everybody else, to feel normal for the first time in my life,” Harry told Cooper, noting what he considered to be major accomplishments such as training to become an Apache helicopter pilot. 

 

https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/3804895-five-things-to-know-from-prince-harrys-new-book/

[billd766 38214]

6 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Agreed, it seems to have been all in or nothing. Have to say I don't agree it was right to reveal how many Taliban he killed and some other details but he has. Shame really. I guess with his father giving interviews admitting having an affair followed by Diana giving her bombshell interviews this would also have been a trigger for him to do the same but go all in.

 

Prince Harry's 'self-destructive' behaviour could be sign of PTSD - and he should be protected, says Army veteran

Prince Harry's "self-destructive" behaviour could be influenced by post-traumatic stress disorder, according to a retired colonel who has also suffered with the condition.

Philip Ingram said he recognises many of his former traits in the duke's demeanour and that he physically "shivered" when he saw some of his recent interviews.

"I'm seeing a troubled individual and an individual that needs help, not someone who should be continuously criticised in the way he is being."

https://news.sky.com/story/prince-harrys-self-destructive-behaviour-could-be-sign-of-ptsd-and-he-should-be-protected-says-army-veteran-12781533

But if he needs or wants help, then he is the one who has to seek it out.

My advice would be to tread very carefully and find a very trusted person to act as an intermediary. Also, never reveal to anybody what he is doing, even to Meghan, as I suspect that she would sell it and him to the press without a second thought.

 

Perhaps his family could hep, but he would have some fences to mend first.

[JonnyF 29843]

6 hours ago, ozimoron said:

I doubt that any of those things factored into his calculations. I think he's just motivated to tell the truth about his life. Nothing else makes sense.

His truth.

 

Not THE truth.

 

Big difference.

[ozimoron 22395]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

But if he needs or wants help, then he is the one who has to seek it out.

My advice would be to tread very carefully and find a very trusted person to act as an intermediary. Also, never reveal to anybody what he is doing, even to Meghan, as I suspect that she would sell it and him to the press without a second thought.

 

Perhaps his family could hep, but he would have some fences to mend first.

Speaking of selling stories to the press as you were:

 

Prince Harry has accused the royal family of being complicit in his wife Meghan’s anguish, claiming his stepmother Camilla, the queen consort, had leaked private conversations to the media in order to burnish her own reputation.

 

In interviews broadcast Sunday, Harry accused members of the royal family of getting “into bed with the devil” to gain favorable tabloid coverage, singling out Camilla’s efforts to rehabilitate her image with the British people after her longtime affair with his father, now King Charles III.

 

https://apnews.com/article/prince-harry-book-meghan-royals-4141be64bcd1521d1d5cf0f9b65e20b5

[realfunster 3746]

On 1/7/2023 at 8:25 PM, Credo said:

His insight and honesty is refreshing.  He has served his country and his Queen.  An admirable person.  

 

 

The art of trolling and satire involves subtlety and believability, unfortunately you don't quite cut the mustard.

 

Not replying to you but my general observations :

 

Harry is clearly a troubled and manipulated individual. The amount of negative press him and Meghan received was negligible but somehow they have portrayed this as a media/institutional witch hunt and themselves, in their massively privileged position, as victims. Particularly sickening given what has happened in the last 3 years with covid and the cost of living crisis faced by many at present.

 

If they want to break free from the rigours, challenges and duties of royal life then they are free to do so without mud-slinging in all directions to enrich themselves. He is probably not there just yet but if this carries on much longer I hope a review of his royal titles is considered. In the space of a few years, Harry has turned himself from a very well liked cheeky royal rogue into a majorly disliked enigma. This is quite a sudden and unexpected change of circumstances for a man of approaching 40 years of age, one wonders what or who was the catalyst for this...? 

 

Of course, it may take years but I feel there is a high chance that things will turn sour with Meghan, whom clearly has a history of relationship issues with nearly everyone close to her, and may well be instigating the same pattern of behaviour in her  malleable husband, at which point he will be running home to.....