Fox News cut out Trump saying he might let Russia take over areas of Ukraine as part of peace deal

[internationalism]

Trump called this plan "peace deal", looks like several times during this interview.

He plans to be a statesman, representing interests of the USA. That means he believes, that stopping escalation into 3ww and nuclear armageddon would be beneficial to interests of his country.

Ukraine is very far away from american core international interests. Once biden, nulam, sullivan is gone all war in europe might be under question.

The usa has withdraw from south vietnam in 1975, from afghanistan in 2021. It can easily withdraw support at anytime before or after presidential election in 2024, as they don't have yet boots on the ground. For example impeachment case against biden will speed up that election and fundamental change of policies by any new president

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, internationalism said:

Trump called this plan "peace deal", looks like several times during this interview.

He plans to be a statesman, representing interests of the USA. That means he believes, that stopping escalation into 3ww and nuclear armageddon would be beneficial to interests of his country.

Ukraine is very far away from american core international interests. Once biden, nulam, sullivan is gone all war in europe might be under question.

The usa has withdraw from south vietnam in 1975, from afghanistan in 2021. It can easily withdraw support at anytime before or after presidential election in 2024, as they don't have yet boots on the ground. For example impeachment case against biden will speed up that election and fundamental change of policies by any new president

Trump has also lied over 30k times, get a grip

[Phoenix Rising]

9 minutes ago, internationalism said:

Trump called this plan "peace deal", looks like several times during this interview.

Yes, and he called the wall he never built "big and beautiful" and he also trusts Putin more than any American so trump can go and do something to himself.

[internationalism]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Trump has also lied over 30k times, get a grip

like every single president, politician, stateman.

 

If somebody think trump's peace talk plans are bogus, that he won't stick to his election manifesto, why bother about him now?

it would be those who have elected him who will hold him accountable to braking his promises. 

I would imagine that not politically aligned pacifists and anti-militarists likely to vote for him just on a single issue stopping this war and armageddon on any condition. Lets see how much traction that anti-war position will have at election time. Support for war in the USA is drastically falling. To elections there are another 18 months.  

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, internationalism said:

like every single president, politician, stateman.

 

If somebody think trump's peace talk plans are bogus, that he won't stick to his election manifesto, why bother about him now?

it would be those who have elected him who will hold him accountable to braking his promises. 

I would imagine that not politically aligned pacifists and anti-militarists likely to vote for him just on a single issue stopping this war and armageddon on any condition. Lets see how much traction that anti-war position will have at election time. Support for war in the USA is drastically falling. To elections there are another 18 months.  

Which other US president has lied that much then? You should check his daily lies including the Big One

[Phoenix Rising]

2 minutes ago, internationalism said:

like every single president, politician, stateman.

 

If somebody think trump's peace talk plans are bogus, that he won't stick to his election manifesto, why bother about him now?

it would be those who have elected him who will hold him accountable to braking his promises. 

I would imagine that not politically aligned pacifists and anti-militarists likely to vote for him just on a single issue stopping this war and armageddon on any condition. Lets see how much traction that anti-war position will have at election time. Support for war in the USA is drastically falling. To elections there are another 18 months.  

"like every single president, politician, stateman."

 

No, that's not correct. trump lied more than any recorded politician in the history of the world. No one even comes close.
trump’s false or misleading claims total 30,573 over 4 years

 

"If somebody think trump's peace talk plans are bogus, that he won't stick to his election manifesto, why bother about him now?"

 

Because he was the worst president the US has ever had and it's vitally important that he never gets to be in a position of power ever again, and preferably he'll be behind bars for the rest of his unnatural life.

 

"it would be those who have elected him who will hold him accountable to braking his promises."

 

Really?? Has the MAGA crowd held him responsible for his legion of broken promises? The answer is 'not at all'.

 

"Support for war in the USA is drastically falling."

 

1. The US is not at war.

2. Do you have any links to back up your claims?

 

[opalred]

part of the deal /trump said i give Putin the number of my wig maker/ and a porn stars number

[internationalism]

30 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

"like every single president, politician, stateman."

 

No, that's not correct. trump lied more than any recorded politician in the history of the world. No one even comes close.
trump’s false or misleading claims total 30,573 over 4 years

 

"If somebody think trump's peace talk plans are bogus, that he won't stick to his election manifesto, why bother about him now?"

 

Because he was the worst president the US has ever had and it's vitally important that he never gets to be in a position of power ever again, and preferably he'll be behind bars for the rest of his unnatural life.

 

"it would be those who have elected him who will hold him accountable to braking his promises."

 

Really?? Has the MAGA crowd held him responsible for his legion of broken promises? The answer is 'not at all'.

 

"Support for war in the USA is drastically falling."

 

1. The US is not at war.

2. Do you have any links to back up your claims?

 

here from university of chicago february 2023:

"Support among the American public for providing Ukraine weaponry and direct economic assistance has softened as the Russian invasion nears a grim one-year milestone, according to a new poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research.

Forty-eight percent say they favor the U.S. providing weapons to Ukraine, with 29 percent opposed and 22 percent saying they’re neither in favor nor opposed. In May 2022, less than three months into the war, 60 percent of U.S. adults said they were in favor of sending Ukraine weapons."

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/support-for-ukraine-aid-softens-in-u-s-public-poll-says

 

"As the United States ramps up military aid to Ukraine, the share of Americans who say the U.S. is providing too much support has grown. About a quarter (26%) now say the U.S. is providing too much support to Ukraine, while 31% say it is giving the right amount and 20% would like to see the U.S. give Ukraine additional assistance.

The share of adults who say the U.S. is providing too much aid to Ukraine has increased 6 percentage points since last September and 19 points since shortly after Russia launched its invasion of Ukraine last year"

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2023/01/31/as-russian-invasion-nears-one-year-mark-partisans-grow-further-apart-on-u-s-support-for-ukraine/

 

[Phoenix Rising]

4 minutes ago, internationalism said:

here from university of chicago february 2023:

"Support among the American public for providing Ukraine weaponry and direct economic assistance has softened as the Russian invasion nears a grim one-year milestone, according to a new poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research.

Forty-eight percent say they favor the U.S. providing weapons to Ukraine, with 29 percent opposed and 22 percent saying they’re neither in favor nor opposed. In May 2022, less than three months into the war, 60 percent of U.S. adults said they were in favor of sending Ukraine weapons."

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/support-for-ukraine-aid-softens-in-u-s-public-poll-says

 

"As the United States ramps up military aid to Ukraine, the share of Americans who say the U.S. is providing too much support has grown. About a quarter (26%) now say the U.S. is providing too much support to Ukraine, while 31% say it is giving the right amount and 20% would like to see the U.S. give Ukraine additional assistance.

The share of adults who say the U.S. is providing too much aid to Ukraine has increased 6 percentage points since last September and 19 points since shortly after Russia launched its invasion of Ukraine last year"

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2023/01/31/as-russian-invasion-nears-one-year-mark-partisans-grow-further-apart-on-u-s-support-for-ukraine/

 

So the linked article says that support has "softened" and you translate that into "drastically falling".

Got it!

[LosLobo]

2 hours ago, internationalism said:

Trump called this plan "peace deal", looks like several times during this interview.

He plans to be a statesman, representing interests of the USA. That means he believes, that stopping escalation into 3ww and nuclear armageddon would be beneficial to interests of his country.

Ukraine is very far away from american core international interests. Once biden, nulam, sullivan is gone all war in europe might be under question.

The usa has withdraw from south vietnam in 1975, from afghanistan in 2021. It can easily withdraw support at anytime before or after presidential election in 2024, as they don't have yet boots on the ground. For example impeachment case against biden will speed up that election and fundamental change of policies by any new president

"He plans to be a statesman, representing interests of the USA".

 

ROFL! Trump is only self-serving and has only ever represented his own interests!

 

"For example impeachment case against biden will speed up that election and fundamental change of policies by any new president".

 

ROFL! What impeachment?

 

Edited March 11, 2023 by LosLobo

[internationalism]

2 hours ago, Phoenix Rising said:

So the linked article says that support has "softened" and you translate that into "drastically falling".

Got it!

Yes, I have called 12% decline from May 2022 to February 2023 a "dramatic fall".

 

That article uses a synonym "substantially". Article authored by Ted Galen Carpenter, a senior fellow in defense and foreign policy studies at the Cato Institute in Washington, member of the Council on Foreign Relations:

"However, the levels are down even from polls taken in late 2022, and they are down substantially from the extremely high support levels that existed immediately following Russia’s February 2022 invasion. 

American public opinion appears to be following the downward trajectory that marked previous U.S. war campaigns since World War II. However, this time the decline in support is taking place even though no U.S. forces are directly involved in the fighting, much less have incurred casualties."

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2023/03/06/is-weakening-support-for-ukraine-war-following-a-historical-pattern/

Edited March 11, 2023 by internationalism

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16 hours ago, internationalism said:

Yes, I have called 12% decline from May 2022 to February 2023 a "dramatic fall".

 

That article uses a synonym "substantially". Article authored by Ted Galen Carpenter, a senior fellow in defense and foreign policy studies at the Cato Institute in Washington, member of the Council on Foreign Relations:

"However, the levels are down even from polls taken in late 2022, and they are down substantially from the extremely high support levels that existed immediately following Russia’s February 2022 invasion. 

American public opinion appears to be following the downward trajectory that marked previous U.S. war campaigns since World War II. However, this time the decline in support is taking place even though no U.S. forces are directly involved in the fighting, much less have incurred casualties."

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2023/03/06/is-weakening-support-for-ukraine-war-following-a-historical-pattern/

How about this one?

One Year Later, Americans Still Stand by Ukraine

18 hours ago, internationalism said:

"As the United States ramps up military aid to Ukraine, the share of Americans who say the U.S. is providing too much support has grown. About a quarter (26%) now say the U.S. is providing too much support to Ukraine, while 31% say it is giving the right amount and 20% would like to see the U.S. give Ukraine additional assistance.

The share of adults who say the U.S. is providing too much aid to Ukraine has increased 6 percentage points since last September and 19 points since shortly after Russia launched its invasion of Ukraine last year"

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2023/01/31/as-russian-invasion-nears-one-year-mark-partisans-grow-further-apart-on-u-s-support-for-ukraine/

 

What you didn't note about the poll is this:

This shift in opinion is mostly attributable to the growing share of Republicans who say the U.S. is providing too much support to Ukraine. Today, 40% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents hold this view, up from 32% in the fall and much higher than the 9% who held this view in March of last year.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2023/01/31/as-russian-invasion-nears-one-year-mark-partisans-grow-further-apart-on-u-s-support-for-ukraine/

Edited March 12, 2023 by metisdead
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5 hours ago, internationalism said:

Yes, I have called 12% decline from May 2022 to February 2023 a "dramatic fall".

 

That article uses a synonym "substantially". Article authored by Ted Galen Carpenter, a senior fellow in defense and foreign policy studies at the Cato Institute in Washington, member of the Council on Foreign Relations:

"However, the levels are down even from polls taken in late 2022, and they are down substantially from the extremely high support levels that existed immediately following Russia’s February 2022 invasion. 

American public opinion appears to be following the downward trajectory that marked previous U.S. war campaigns since World War II. However, this time the decline in support is taking place even though no U.S. forces are directly involved in the fighting, much less have incurred casualties."

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2023/03/06/is-weakening-support-for-ukraine-war-following-a-historical-pattern/

Did you and Ted Galen Carpenter somehow overlook this poll?

 

One Year Later, Americans Still Stand by Ukraine

Most Americans support Ukraine’s effort, even in prolonged conflict
39% say U.S. doing right amount to aid Ukraine, 28% too much, 30% not enough
Republicans are more likely than others to say the U.S. is doing too much

https://news.gallup.com/poll/469328/one-year-later-americans-stand-ukraine.aspx

[internationalism]

On 3/10/2023 at 11:38 AM, Eric Loh said:

I shudder to think what will happen to Ukraine if Trump won his second term. With no leader to rally western alliance to give Zelensky military aids, Ukraine will be overrun in days with heavy casualties and refugees crisis in Europe. Biden’s leadership with allies is the only reason Putin’s aggression has been halted. Trump is no peace broker but an ally of Putin with his deep ties with Kremlin and will do Putin bidding to further his fascist ambition in Europe. 

if trump was elected for the second term there would be no war. He didn't want to enlarge NATO. He was also the only president after 2ww, who didn't start a war.
Zelensky has changed his pacifist stance, on which he was elected (including most of 22% ethnic russians) during course of 2021 (2 years after being elected), so it was under biden times.
On 1st September, on anniversary of 2ww, they signed strategic partnership. That paved way way to russian aggression 6 months later.
Russia's only fascist ambition in europe was to sell gas, oil, grains, mineral and natural resources, fertilisers and in exchange get new technologies and consumer goods.

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1 minute ago, internationalism said:

if trump was elected for the second term there would be no war. He didn't want to enlarge NATO. He was also the only president after 2ww, who didn't start a war.
Zelensky has changed his pacifist stance, on which he was elected (including most of 22% ethnic russians) during course of 2021 (2 years after being elected), so it was under biden times.
On 1st September, on anniversary of 2ww, they signed strategic partnership. That paved way way to russian aggression 6 months later.
Russia's only fascist ambition in europe was to sell gas, oil, grains, mineral and natural resources, fertilisers and in exchange get new technologies and consumer goods.

Putin's own words belie your claim. He spoke of restoring the Russian Empire as it was under Peter the Great. 

[Eric Loh]

54 minutes ago, internationalism said:

if trump was elected for the second term there would be no war. He didn't want to enlarge NATO. He was also the only president after 2ww, who didn't start a war.
Zelensky has changed his pacifist stance, on which he was elected (including most of 22% ethnic russians) during course of 2021 (2 years after being elected), so it was under biden times.
On 1st September, on anniversary of 2ww, they signed strategic partnership. That paved way way to russian aggression 6 months later.
Russia's only fascist ambition in europe was to sell gas, oil, grains, mineral and natural resources, fertilisers and in exchange get new technologies and consumer goods.

Rattling NATO unity is the strategic pursuit of Putin who has grandeur ambition of annexing more territories and restoring the Russia past glory.
 

NATO is the cornerstone of global security after WW2 and Trump tried to destroy the alliance and even threatened to pull out of Nato. Any rational educated person can see Trump’s actions and policies benefit only Putin. 

 

Trump’s withholding military aids that was approved by Congress was against the law that specifically vested Congress with the power of the purse. He should be investigated by the House committee for this criminal act. 
 

Cater, Ford, Trump and Biden didn’t start any open wars since WW2. 
 

Putin has already started his fascist ambition with the annexation of Crimea and 4 Ukrainian territories that have no global recognition except North Korea.
 

Astonishing that you seem to buy into Putin’s propaganda and misinformation. Just where is your loyalty. 

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, internationalism said:

if trump was elected for the second term there would be no war. He didn't want to enlarge NATO. He was also the only president after 2ww, who didn't start a war.
Zelensky has changed his pacifist stance, on which he was elected (including most of 22% ethnic russians) during course of 2021 (2 years after being elected), so it was under biden times.
On 1st September, on anniversary of 2ww, they signed strategic partnership. That paved way way to russian aggression 6 months later.
Russia's only fascist ambition in europe was to sell gas, oil, grains, mineral and natural resources, fertilisers and in exchange get new technologies and consumer goods.

"if trump was elected for the second term there would be no war".

 

Yet, last month Trump "told his supporters to start arming themselves for a civil war".

 

 

"He was also the only president after 2ww, who didn't start a war".

 

Yet in 2020, he led an insurrection and "was asking for a civil war".

 

Donald Trump Was “a President Asking for Civil War” | The New Yorker

Edited March 12, 2023 by LosLobo

[stevenl]

18 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

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Just where is your loyalty. 

With Russia, he has made that abundantly clear.

Edited March 12, 2023 by stevenl