On 3/25/2023 at 1:17 PM, glegolo18 said:

You learn all this sentences in the PC-school I guess... I was here and saw the "so close civilwar" it was 2014 before the military intervene and stopped all that <deleted> between the yellow and the red....

Thailand have had a serious social development since 2014 if you compare, if you CAN compare?? The people have not at all been suffering that is pure <deleted> talk... 

 

I withhold keep Thaksin outside Thailand, and do NOT let this <deleted> in here... It will be spilled blood... If you cant see that...#"#¤%¤#¤

The near civil war was in 2010 and did not end in a Coup.  It was the battle between red and yellow.  People were killed, big investigations were held, and there was even an election after. 

 

The protest in 2014 never got to the extent of 2010 because it was not a red yellow but a mix of people on both sides that felt they were being done wrong.

 

If you lived here in 2010 you would know how much tension there was.  If you had a red or yellow shirt you did not wear it.

11 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

The near civil war was in 2010 and did not end in a Coup.  It was the battle between red and yellow.  People were killed, big investigations were held, and there was even an election after. 

 

The protest in 2014 never got to the extent of 2010 because it was not a red yellow but a mix of people on both sides that felt they were being done wrong.

 

If you lived here in 2010 you would know how much tension there was.  If you had a red or yellow shirt you did not wear it.

Interesting comment that the protest in 2014 was not a red and yellow clash. I tend to agree with you that the initial protest against Yinglucks amnesty was a Bangkok middle class spontaneous 'demonstration that drew hundreds of thousands of ordinary people into the streets. In fact, the red shirts were also against the amnesty due to the inclusion of murder charges related to the 2010 military crackdown in which 91 were killed. Protesters were ordinary Bangkokians and there were little signs of yellow shirts among the crowd. Soon after the amnesty bill was rejected by the Senate, the ordinary Bangkokians dispersed and the yellow shirts lead by the PDRC continued with more violent protests. Red shirts soon appeared with sporadic violence, shootings and bomb attempts. The protest by then has been hijacked by the PDRC for a purposeful agenda of toppling Yingluck's government. 

On 3/26/2023 at 11:13 AM, heybruce said:

Right, "reported amount".  Got a better source than that?

 

More important, did you go to Isaan or the North before Thaksin was elected?  It was third world.  After just a few years of a Prime Minister that didn't neglect the majority of the Thai people roads and clinics were built, kids started staying in school, barely literate parents saw their children graduate public school and go to university, etc.

 

It turns out paying attention to the Thais outside of Bangkok was a real vote winner.  The Bangkok elite hated it.

1: Every local councilor paid for votes long before Thaksin. 2: Thaksin built homes that the workers could afford to buy (he made it illegal for property investors to buy, so the rich Bangkokian's couldn't buy and charge 5 times the rent). he built roads up north. 3: he showed the farmers how to get more money of the rich cheaters in Bangkok for their rice. 4: he allowed Thai citizens to rent government land at a cheap rate. and last B300 for medical, which 3,4 and 5 have now been taken away by the government.

On 3/25/2023 at 1:17 PM, glegolo18 said:

You learn all this sentences in the PC-school I guess... I was here and saw the "so close civilwar" it was 2014 before the military intervene and stopped all that <deleted> between the yellow and the red....

Thailand have had a serious social development since 2014 if you compare, if you CAN compare?? The people have not at all been suffering that is pure <deleted> talk... 

 

I withhold keep Thaksin outside Thailand, and do NOT let this <deleted> in here... It will be spilled blood... If you cant see that...#"#¤%¤#¤

Nice fairy tale. When the military coup happened. The PDRC mob was getting thin and was losing its momentum. The election commission had agreed to holding elections in July. And that's why the military coup was made: the judicial coup failed, the protest coup failed, so it was the only way left to prevent the election of a new government 

On 3/25/2023 at 1:38 PM, OneMoreFarang said:

How many extra years in prison will he get for running away?

And for the 2,500+- extra judicial killings in his war on drugs, that's mass murder!

On 3/25/2023 at 9:43 PM, billd766 said:

And why should she not give him an amnesty?

 

After all that was one of the first things that the generals did for themselves after the 2014 coup.

Loose talk "billd766", don't forget he was directly responsible for torching "Richard Branson's" favourite bus stop!

1 hour ago, candide said:

Nice fairy tale. When the military coup happened. The PDRC mob was getting thin and was losing its momentum. The election commission had agreed to holding elections in July. And that's why the military coup was made: the judicial coup failed, the protest coup failed, so it was the only way left to prevent the election of a new government 

Prayut infamous words “ Khun Suthep and your masses of PDRC supporters are too exhausted. It’s now the duty of the army to take over the task”.

 

 

14 hours ago, bendejo said:

This jail time would be negotiated down to house arrest, maybe involving an ankle gadget.  And of course those monitoring him would be underpaid civil servants (*wink*).  In the US one of a corrupt former president's henchman was given house arrest and it didn't stop him from calling up and intimidating potential witnesses (I don't think he was taken to task for it either).

I recall when he was trying to negotiate a return one of his terms was "a little ground to stand on" (newspaper translation from Thai).  In other words he would be allowed to return with dignity, as opposed to half of the RTPF showing up at the airport to escort him jail.  I don't think he'll get that, so I don't think he'll return. 

Has he been sitting in the Beijing Olympic stadium since 2008?  ????

Perhaps he should also be thinking about the fate of Benigno Aquino II when he returned to the Philippines.

 

 

I should imagine what happened to Benigno Aquino was very much uppermost in his mind, from the moment his airplane took off for Beijing in 2008. I suspect that he was very much aware that once he entered the Prison system his chances of ever coming out alive were slim at best.

 

When his sister was ousted in 2014, remember she disappeared for some time. However she had a high international profile, and it was clearly understood that the repercussions of her coming to any harm were likely to be very severe.

2 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

I should imagine what happened to Benigno Aquino was very much uppermost in his mind, from the moment his airplane took off for Beijing in 2008. I suspect that he was very much aware that once he entered the Prison system his chances of ever coming out alive were slim at best.

 

When his sister was ousted in 2014, remember she disappeared for some time. However she had a high international profile, and it was clearly understood that the repercussions of her coming to any harm were likely to be very severe.

I feel sorry for Yingluck. The youngest of the siblings, Thaksin the oldest, he made her CEO of SC Assets if I remember right. It gave her something to do. Never too bright, she couldn't even remember which Thai provinces were next to the sea, but her natural beauty and charm, her ease at talking to vendors, made her an instant hit with the working class.

Thaksin called her his clone, perhaps he was jealous of her popularity, reminding everyone she only became PM because of him.

And then she was forced into exile, the populist guaranteed subsidy for every grain of rice grown was clearly stupid as it resulted in widespread smuggling of rice from neighbouring countries claiming to be Thai rice but it wasn't her fault. She had only been in politics for 45 days!

She was a pawn who one day will be allowed back but her brother has two many enemies. 

When Thaksin was PM he ruled by domination, financially and politically. A good leader will be decisive but also inclusive, considering all points if view.

Thaksin was too arrogant for that.

Even now he feels sorry for himself.

 

 

 

On 3/27/2023 at 12:19 PM, Ginner said:

1: Every local councilor paid for votes long before Thaksin. 2: Thaksin built homes that the workers could afford to buy (he made it illegal for property investors to buy, so the rich Bangkokian's couldn't buy and charge 5 times the rent). he built roads up north. 3: he showed the farmers how to get more money of the rich cheaters in Bangkok for their rice. 4: he allowed Thai citizens to rent government land at a cheap rate. and last B300 for medical, which 3,4 and 5 have now been taken away by the government.

And no doubt he got a nice % in every one of the schemes you list.

Brings the question:

•      Did he create these schemes genuinely, with helping others as the prime motive? or
•     Did he (his minions) create it all and operate it all, posssible using gov't (taxpayer) paid expertise and resources and the aim was a good % for HIS pocket?              

On 3/28/2023 at 2:37 AM, scorecard said:

And no doubt he got a nice % in every one of the schemes you list.

Brings the question:

•      Did he create these schemes genuinely, with helping others as the prime motive? or
•     Did he (his minions) create it all and operate it all, posssible using gov't (taxpayer) paid expertise and resources and the aim was a good % for HIS pocket?              

You could ask the same questions about every top official in Thailand.  You could start with military leaders and those who came to power through coups.

On 3/28/2023 at 2:37 AM, scorecard said:

And no doubt he got a nice % in every one of the schemes you list.

Brings the question:

•      Did he create these schemes genuinely, with helping others as the prime motive? or
•     Did he (his minions) create it all and operate it all, posssible using gov't (taxpayer) paid expertise and resources and the aim was a good % for HIS pocket?              

Don't all governments work like that, I thought all governments used tax payers money to fund projects in the community.. As for asking,  did  he do it for others or himself. I saw first had the affect his housing scheme had on my wife's sister and how her mother afford to rent land and then buy cattle to craze on. Army take over land gone so cattle had to go. Property investors move in buy up  apartments cheap and charge sky high rents. That is my experience of the Thaksin reign and this military junta. Ps how much as this government taken? never know as it's an offence to talk about it.

On 3/28/2023 at 2:37 AM, scorecard said:

And no doubt he got a nice % in every one of the schemes you list.

Brings the question:

•      Did he create these schemes genuinely, with helping others as the prime motive? or
•     Did he (his minions) create it all and operate it all, posssible using gov't (taxpayer) paid expertise and resources and the aim was a good % for HIS pocket?              

How many guess allowed? 

3 minutes ago, Artisi said:

How many guess allowed? 

Unlimited...

2 minutes ago, scorecard said:

Unlimited...

Until you get the correct answer, ok, 1st guess is the second option--is it close ????? 

31 minutes ago, Artisi said:

Until you get the correct answer, ok, 1st guess is the second option--is it close ????? 

Up 2 u.

On 3/25/2023 at 2:21 PM, hotchilli said:

If he's Thailand only hope then it's truly doomed.

While I agree the economy was in better shape when he was in power he only gave the nation scraps from his fine dining table.

 

your source of information seems to be the internet or mere drunken hearsay at the bar. You should do your own actual research and you'll discover what he did. You wont know but he spent more on "the nation" than all four of the previous PM's combined. New roads, new schools, new hospitals, community centres, Suvannabhumi and many other projects. He signed the MOU with Myanmar, Laos & Cambodia lifting domestic workers officially into the work arena for the first time in history affording them rights under the Thai Labour Law and giving them legal recourse. Other nations enjoyed good relations with him and enjoyed doing business with Thailand. Just some of the reasons why the economy was good when he was at the helm. He IS the solution..........plans are afoot to make it happen. 

On 3/25/2023 at 1:35 PM, OneMoreFarang said:

Really?

They didn't have to run away.

They could have shown evidence that they are innocent.

They could have had lawyers who show that they are innocent.

They didn't do any of that. Why should they now get a new trial?

were you off sick the day they taught your class how to read? 

On 3/25/2023 at 4:11 PM, 4MyEgo said:

Yes of course, allow the military elected clowns continue to govern the country with their amended constitution which provides the military 350 senate seats out of the 500 senate seats.

 

Keep the people fed on rice, blame Thaksin and his sister for everything, while military elected deputy prime ministers wears 25 high end dead friends watches which he borrowed, and jail all of those under Article 38 for speaking up and protesting in this democracy.

 

You just can't help ignorance.

 

On 3/25/2023 at 4:11 PM, 4MyEgo said:

Yes of course, allow the military elected clowns continue to govern the country with their amended constitution which provides the military 350 senate seats out of the 500 senate seats.

 

Keep the people fed on rice, blame Thaksin and his sister for everything, while military elected deputy prime ministers wears 25 high end dead friends watches which he borrowed, and jail all of those under Article 38 for speaking up and protesting in this democracy.

 

You just can't help ignorance.

You forgot to mention to give convicted international heroin smugglers a Government Ministry!

11 minutes ago, Grandpa Cool said:

You forgot to mention to give convicted international heroin smugglers a Government Ministry!

One bad seed is better than a whole lot of bad seeds.

On 3/26/2023 at 9:32 PM, kingstonkid said:

The near civil war was in 2010 and did not end in a Coup.  It was the battle between red and yellow.  People were killed, big investigations were held, and there was even an election after. 

 

The protest in 2014 never got to the extent of 2010 because it was not a red yellow but a mix of people on both sides that felt they were being done wrong.

 

If you lived here in 2010 you would know how much tension there was.  If you had a red or yellow shirt you did not wear it.

1956. 1963. 1973. 1976. 1992. 

In retrospective, 2010 doesn't even come close. 

16 hours ago, zzaa09 said:

1956. 1963. 1973. 1976. 1992. 

In retrospective, 2010 doesn't even come close. 

No but is the one that most here know about

On 3/25/2023 at 8:02 AM, herfiehandbag said:

Today's key phrase will be "Convicted fugitive criminal"!

 

5, 4, 3, 2, 1 - go fellas go!

 

 

what's the other convicted one RTP can't catch or bring in.... Red Bull something  !!!!

On 3/25/2023 at 8:18 AM, brianthainess said:

In that vid he didn't VOW he said Maybe i'll come back....lets wait and see. 

that's pretty much the same motto RTP uses 555

I was under the impression that Thaksin could get a royal pardon at any time.  Is this still an option?

On 3/26/2023 at 9:32 PM, kingstonkid said:

The near civil war was in 2010 and did not end in a Coup.  It was the battle between red and yellow.  People were killed, big investigations were held, and there was even an election after. 

 

The protest in 2014 never got to the extent of 2010 because it was not a red yellow but a mix of people on both sides that felt they were being done wrong.

 

If you lived here in 2010 you would know how much tension there was.  If you had a red or yellow shirt you did not wear it.

Your much exaggerated civil war [2010] theory was clearly confined and concentrated to Bangkok and her environs, whereas a broader percentage of rebellious participation and thought was looked upon indifferently throughout the rest of the country.......making such activity more of a local show, less a overwhelming popular revolt. 

 

Those that wish to rewrite history with an exaggerated and imaginary pen can be somewhat dangerous, as their dispositions are repeated over and again creating a fuzzy reality of this and that. 

On 3/25/2023 at 1:11 PM, 4MyEgo said:

Yes of course, allow the military elected clowns continue to govern the country with their amended constitution which provides the military 350 senate seats out of the 500 senate seats.

 

Keep the people fed on rice, blame Thaksin and his sister for everything, while military elected deputy prime ministers wears 25 high end dead friends watches which he borrowed, and jail all of those under Article 38 for speaking up and protesting in this democracy.

 

You just can't help ignorance.

I thought it was Pheu Thai that won the election in 2011. Did it only consist of Thaksin and Yingluck? Of course not and presumably there were others in the party that could have run the country.

 

If Thaksin was really concerned about the Thai people he could have kept quiet, allowed a proper politician with ability to be Prime Minister and just given advice in the background. Instead he put his sister, who had no interest or experience into the top job. She was then sent off to do photo shoots while he was running the country even though he was aware that it was against the law. I saw him give interviews where he referred to the government as 'we' and bragged that it had given him a lot of his money back. There might still have been a coup but he was just making easier to justify.

 

Even in 2010 during the protests he gave video rallies where he concentrated on himself. He even had to give a second a few days later after it was pointed out that he hadn't mentioned those who were sacrificing themselves for him whilst he was living in luxury in Dubai. He promised to get justice for those killed in those protests but once in power he decided he'd rather go after Abhisit and Suthep than the army who were responsible because that was more important to him. I know he might have been stopped due to the strength of the army but then again he must have been aware of that when he made the promise. Everyone else knows it.

 

Then you have Prayut. Again' he could have concentrated on separating Thaksin from Pheu Thai and leaving the more sensible MPs of all parties to run the country for the benefit of the Thai people. Instead he was just as power hungry as Thaksin and therefore just as ineffective.

32 minutes ago, kimamey said:

He promised to get justice for those killed in those protests but once in power he decided he'd rather go after Abhisit and Suthep than the army who were responsible because that was more important to him.

The army gets it's orders from you know who.

1 hour ago, kimamey said:

I thought it was Pheu Thai that won the election in 2011. Did it only consist of Thaksin and Yingluck? Of course not and presumably there were others in the party that could have run the country.

 

If Thaksin was really concerned about the Thai people he could have kept quiet, allowed a proper politician with ability to be Prime Minister and just given advice in the background. Instead he put his sister, who had no interest or experience into the top job. She was then sent off to do photo shoots while he was running the country even though he was aware that it was against the law. I saw him give interviews where he referred to the government as 'we' and bragged that it had given him a lot of his money back. There might still have been a coup but he was just making easier to justify.

 

Even in 2010 during the protests he gave video rallies where he concentrated on himself. He even had to give a second a few days later after it was pointed out that he hadn't mentioned those who were sacrificing themselves for him whilst he was living in luxury in Dubai. He promised to get justice for those killed in those protests but once in power he decided he'd rather go after Abhisit and Suthep than the army who were responsible because that was more important to him. I know he might have been stopped due to the strength of the army but then again he must have been aware of that when he made the promise. Everyone else knows it.

 

Then you have Prayut. Again' he could have concentrated on separating Thaksin from Pheu Thai and leaving the more sensible MPs of all parties to run the country for the benefit of the Thai people. Instead he was just as power hungry as Thaksin and therefore just as ineffective.

A curious "what if" note might be explored. 

Has anyone ever wondered if the military henchmen would've been gutsy enough to pull off a coup while Thaksin was in country or how successful such an act would've been......instead of waiting for him, and his entourage, to take leave during state visits abroad.