Cancelling Wp And Non B?

[gemmamccarron]

I managed to obtain a multiple entry non b visa myself in oct 2006.. i started employment at a new school in Dec 2006 however i am now leaving the school. They inform me when they cancel my WP my visa will also be cancelled even tho i obtained it myself and it doesn't expire until Octb 2007. Is this so???????

[lopburi3]

Only if you have an extension of stay from Immigration (one year stay). An extension of stay would be canceled but not a visa. If you are here on a 90 day entry there will be no effect.

[idle44mins]

Only if you have an extension of stay from Immigration (one year stay). An extension of stay would be canceled but not a visa. If you are here on a 90 day entry there will be no effect.

Huhhh? As far as my inform stretches a WP is 'connected' to a non-immigrant 'B' visa. Expiration dates of WP and nonB are the same.

As soon as a WP is cancelled, the nonB is also cancelled, extension of stay or no extension of stay.

Even if you have obtained the WP yourself, your employer is obliged to cancel the WP otherwise he has to pay income tax for you.

Edited July 12, 2007 by idle44mins

[lopburi3]

You do not require a work permit to obtain/have or use a non immigrant B visa. Loss of work permit will not invalidate a visa entry.

[gemmamccarron]

Ok, so i am going to Laos when they cancel my work permit as i understand i have 7 days..... So should i just try to return on my visa and if they inform me it has been cancelled obtain a tourist visa???? Or do they inform you???

So confused about what to do!!!!!!

[lopburi3]

If you are on a 90 day visa entry you do not have to do anything except return the work permit.

[gemmamccarron]

Ok i have a 1 year non B multiple entry which is valid until Oct 2007 and a visa extension until Feb 08. So, i am guessing i can go out- my visa extension will be canceled and return on my multiple entry???

Edited July 12, 2007 by gemmamccarron

[lopburi3]

That changes things - you do have to leave within seven days as you are not here on a visa entry but on an extension of stay. But as long as you have a valid multi entry visa you can enter for another 90 day stay.

[gemmamccarron]

so will my employer cancel my NON B along with my work permit?? or will it still be valid to return on?

Thanks for ur help- as u can tell i am super confused with it all.

Edited July 12, 2007 by gemmamccarron

[lopburi3]

Your ex employer should not even have your passport. Believe you should just leave. As far as I know you should not give them a chance to do anything. Anyone with work/ending experience please help out - I have never worked here so only going on what I have read.

[gemmamccarron]

They don't have my passport- i have possession of that, but they have informed me that the ID on my visa is linked up to my WP. Having said that over the course of my employment i have caught them out on many 'misunderstandings' shall we say!

[lopburi3]

Believe the real story is the the work permit is linked to the visa - you get that first. Employers seem to delight in using "visa" issues as leverage to keep people in line.

[stevemiddie]

Hi.

I can give you my experience which is almost exactly the same as yours.

I had an extension of stay until October 2007 based on my work at a school in Bangers. I also had in my passport a Multi B Visa which expires on the 21st July 2007.

I resigned my position in Bangers due to relocating to Pattaya. The school cancelled my WP ( as they must ) . I had 7 days to leave Thailand. No problem. Went to the Cambodian border.........spent 30 mins in the casino there and returned to Thailand where i was now allowed entry based on my Multi B. They gave me a stamp for 90 days.

There was no drama and it all went smoothly.................despite what my school told me about EVERYTHING cancelling. It doesn,t. Your multi B belongs to you once its been issued......despite what employers will tell you.

Edited July 12, 2007 by stevemiddie

[gemmamccarron]

Thank u so much!

[stevemiddie]

Thank u so much!

Mai pen rai khrab

[paully]

I resigned my position in Bangers due to relocating to Pattaya. The school cancelled my WP ( as they must ) . I had 7 days to leave Thailand. No problem. Went to the Cambodian border.........spent 30 mins in the casino there and returned to Thailand where i was now allowed entry based on my Multi B. They gave me a stamp for 90 days.

There was no drama and it all went smoothly.................despite what my school told me about EVERYTHING cancelling. It doesn,t. Your multi B belongs to you once its been issued......despite what employers will tell you.

Yes, as Lopburi has already said it makes a big difference whether you have a multiple non-imm B which is still active or an extension of stay granted in-country in your passport. If it's the former, you can simply leave and return with another 90 days on your non-B; if it's the latter you either leave or get another extension of stay (because you want some extra time to pack up or because you've managed to land another job in Thailand) within 7 days.

Edited July 12, 2007 by paully

[Bredbury Blue]

I resigned my position in Bangers due to relocating to Pattaya. The school cancelled my WP ( as they must ) . I had 7 days to leave Thailand. No problem. Went to the Cambodian border.........spent 30 mins in the casino there and returned to Thailand where i was now allowed entry based on my Multi B. They gave me a stamp for 90 days.

There was no drama and it all went smoothly.................despite what my school told me about EVERYTHING cancelling. It doesn,t. Your multi B belongs to you once its been issued......despite what employers will tell you.

Yes, as Lopburi has already said it makes a big difference whether you have a multiple non-imm B which is still active or an extension of stay granted in-country in your passport. If it's the former, you can simply leave and return with another 90 days on your non-B; if it's the latter you either leave or get another extension of stay (because you want some extra time to pack up or because you've managed to land another job in Thailand) within 7 days.

I've read through this and several similar topics and i remain a tad confused.

1. If you have a work permit and a non-B one year extention of stay, you resign or are terminated, i understand that you have 7 days from (or following?) the date of your last date of employment to return your work permit. You also apparently have 7 days to leave the country. But, if the WP is related to the labour office and the visa is related to the immigration office, how would immigration know you had 7 days to leave? Does the labour office need your passport when you hand in your WP and they stamp the passport 7 days to leave or similar, or do they type something in to a linked computer system? How would immigration know?

2. Say you had to leave (assume immigration does know), and if your visa was valid for a while longer (and visa expiry dates are not always linked to the same date as the renewal date of your WP), could you return for another stay (doing a 90 day report as usual) assuming you had a re-entry visa of course, until the visa expired? I think there's a lot of misinformation in these forums where posters just reiterate something they once saw which might not necessarily be true, and on this matter my experience has always been as stevemiddie's experience.

Maybe Sunbelt could answer for us?

[pauleddy]

Yes, I am posting similar queries to a thread about Extension by Retirement. I have a gvmt school job and NonImm B until Sept (also WP of course, and all supplied for me). I have the age and money requirements for Ret.

From the above, it sounds like my NonImm B is mine until September (even if I leave work in 10 days)...so I don't need to move quickly to change to "retirement".

Either I or my school (not sure) will need to cancel my WP.....but as said above, does labour contact Immig? Vice versa? maybe I can quit work and then take my time to sort this out, if nobody is any the wiser about my status.

Let's say I go to the airport, and get my exit permit for a day's shopping in KL, not a visa run. The checker will only see my Non Imm B valid til Sept. He wont know that I have left the job.

P

[lopburi3]

And I will say the same thing here as I said in the other thread - use your visit to KL to obtain a visa and forget the re-entry permit. I seriously doubt that Immigration will be happy to see you in there office asking for a change to retirement extension of stay from a work extension of stay that is not supported with a work permit. It is only two months - even a tourist visa lasts longer than that.

[stevemiddie]

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I've read through this and several similar topics and i remain a tad confused.

1. If you have a work permit and a non-B one year extention of stay, you resign or are terminated, i understand that you have 7 days from (or following?) the date of your last date of employment to return your work permit. You also apparently have 7 days to leave the country. But, if the WP is related to the labour office and the visa is related to the immigration office, how would immigration know you had 7 days to leave? Does the labour office need your passport when you hand in your WP and they stamp the passport 7 days to leave or similar, or do they type something in to a linked computer system? How would immigration know?

2. Say you had to leave (assume immigration does know), and if your visa was valid for a while longer (and visa expiry dates are not always linked to the same date as the renewal date of your WP), could you return for another stay (doing a 90 day report as usual) assuming you had a re-entry visa of course, until the visa expired? I think there's a lot of misinformation in these forums where posters just reiterate something they once saw which might not necessarily be true, and on this matter my experience has always been as stevemiddie's experience.

Maybe Sunbelt could answer for us?

Hello. Confusing indeed.

The 7 days starts to run from the day your employment terminates. Sometimes the employer will not have been able to hand in the WP until maybe 2 days afterwards ( for varying reasons. )

It does not matter. The clock is ticking from the day your employment terminates. You MUST leave Thailand ( if you have the extension of stay ) within 7 days from cancellation of employment.

IF you have a WP and NO extension of stay, i.e you are using 90 day multi B,s then you do NOT have to leave in 7 days. Just carry on as normal until your next border run.

When the WP is cancelled you receive a small form from the Labour Dept stating that your WP is now cancelled. It is advisable to keep this form as Immigration will sometimes ask for it so they can confirm the date of cancellation and therefore the date you left Thailand. ( looking for overstays )

I don,t know if the Labour Dept or Immigration computers are linked so i cannot definately state that Immigration will always be aware that your WP is now expired. The Labour Dept does NOT put any stamps in your passport to confirm this. ( not in my case anyway )

Does that help a little? ( please be aware that all of the above is based on my sole experiences which may not always apply in other Labour Depts and Imm offices..........this being Thailand etc )

Edited July 13, 2007 by stevemiddie

[pauleddy]

Sorry, still confused, despite all of Lop's input.

As I have a Non-Imm B, which is fixed for 1 year (I dont do 90 day runs) I was under the impression that I dont have to leave LOS.

As long as I time my resignation correctly, I have 7 days to get my proof of income from the embassy and go down to change my Non B to a retirement extension. Right? I don't have to leave?

When I leave, my school will take my WP for cancelling, and I have a fuzzy? 7 days to sort out my Ret. ext?

I would rather not leave, cos of partner and other things going on. Also, it would seem a waste to leave, get a 90 day, come back and then convert, when I can do it all here??

Cheers

P

[stevemiddie]

Sorry, still confused, despite all of Lop's input.

As I have a Non-Imm B, which is fixed for 1 year (I dont do 90 day runs) I was under the impression that I dont have to leave LOS.

As long as I time my resignation correctly, I have 7 days to get my proof of income from the embassy and go down to change my Non B to a retirement extension. Right? I don't have to leave?

When I leave, my school will take my WP for cancelling, and I have a fuzzy? 7 days to sort out my Ret. ext?

I would rather not leave, cos of partner and other things going on. Also, it would seem a waste to leave, get a 90 day, come back and then convert, when I can do it all here??

Cheers

P

Many things are a waste of time in Thailand.............but thats how it is. If you are still uncertain then talk to Sunbelt Asia. Their advice will be correct.

[Sunbelt Asia]

I've read through this and several similar topics and i remain a tad confused.

1. If you have a work permit and a non-B one year extention of stay, you resign or are terminated, i understand that you have 7 days from (or following?) the date of your last date of employment to return your work permit. You also apparently have 7 days to leave the country. But, if the WP is related to the labour office and the visa is related to the immigration office, how would immigration know you had 7 days to leave? Does the labour office need your passport when you hand in your WP and they stamp the passport 7 days to leave or similar, or do they type something in to a linked computer system? How would immigration know?

It goes in the computer system which is linked to Immigration.

2. Say you had to leave (assume immigration does know), and if your visa was valid for a while longer (and visa expiry dates are not always linked to the same date as the renewal date of your WP), could you return for another stay (doing a 90 day report as usual) assuming you had a re-entry visa of course, until the visa expired? I think there's a lot of misinformation in these forums where posters just reiterate something they once saw which might not necessarily be true, and on this matter my experience has always been as stevemiddie's experience.

If your work permit is tied to your extension of stay. It always cancels.

If you have a extension of stay that cxl's( issued by Immigration) but you still have a valid one year multi entry visa ( issued by a Thai Embassy/Consulate) . You can cross the border and renter on this and get a fresh 90 days visa.

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

[Sunbelt Asia]

Sorry, still confused, despite all of Lop's input.

As I have a Non-Imm B, which is fixed for 1 year (I dont do 90 day runs) I was under the impression that I dont have to leave LOS.

As long as I time my resignation correctly, I have 7 days to get my proof of income from the embassy and go down to change my Non B to a retirement extension. Right? I don't have to leave?

When I leave, my school will take my WP for cancelling, and I have a fuzzy? 7 days to sort out my Ret. ext?

I would rather not leave, cos of partner and other things going on. Also, it would seem a waste to leave, get a 90 day, come back and then convert, when I can do it all here??

Cheers

P

Depends on the province and immigration dept but in most cases you could.

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

[paully]

1. If you have a work permit and a non-B one year extention of stay, you resign or are terminated, i understand that you have 7 days from (or following?) the date of your last date of employment to return your work permit. You also apparently have 7 days to leave the country. But, if the WP is related to the labour office and the visa is related to the immigration office, how would immigration know you had 7 days to leave? Does the labour office need your passport when you hand in your WP and they stamp the passport 7 days to leave or similar, or do they type something in to a linked computer system? How would immigration know?

As Sunbelt already stated, it goes onto the computer system. Also, when you appear in Immigration for another extension of stay after completing your contract (and having handed back the work permit), Immigration will ask you to produce a little form called a Tor Dor 10 from the Min of Labour. This has the date that your work permit was surrendered on it. Immigration can then simply calculate the 7 days and start levying the overstay fine - they love doing it if they can!

[pauleddy]

Thanks, that's interesting.

Would it now be the case, then, that it is pointless to try and convert from a NonImm B to Retirement Ext without me or the school submitting the WP back to labour? I was hoping for a fuzzy few days where I could get the RetExt and then leave work the following week.

?

[terrytan]

My experience,

I resigned from a Thai Engineering Company some 4 years back, they were not very happy that I was leaving, but I gave them the requisite 30 days notice and left, retiring to Rayong

After being at home for 9 days , my previous secretary rang and told me that I had to return to Bangkok to cancel my Work Permit

The following day I travelled to Bangkok and went with her to the One Stop Visa/Work Permit Dept. whereupon I was told that I had to go the nearby (400mtrs away) Police Station, pay a fine of 2,000 baht and return, the reason I was given was that the time allowed to cancel my work permit was 7 days only

Upon returning with my receipt, I was then ushered to the visa dept. had my visa cancelled politely and given 48 hrs to leave the country

The next day I did my first and only border run and have been on a retirement visa ever since

Maybe I upset someone in the Company but they gave me a good send off party

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Terry

[freefunk]

Hi

Need your input guys.

Just about to leave the school I was working for the last year and a halve. I still hold WP from them that is valid until Apr 2008, I guess this they will cancel when I leave? Do I give them my Blue Book or must I do this myself ( Strange how employers get funny near the end..so juts cautious.)

I am aware that I have to leave within 7 days of termination of my employment and plan to go to Penang or KL since I live down South. I want to return to work as a Certified Scuba Divemaster in Thailand and believe this can be done by using the tourist visa. How do I apply for this visa and how many days will it grant me(whats the cost of the visa and is this open for extension (How many days for extension?) Could I obtain a multipul entry with my work visa prior to the termination of my employment and come into the country with that ( even though it is linked to the work permit which would be canceled by then).

I hold a non b but that was only valid for 3 months so can not bounce back on that. I am a Caucasian South-African.

[DMasut]

OK...

yes employer will most likely cancel your work permit.... as they are required to so and not be further taxed or in violation

no it does not normally cause your "B" to automatically expire or become invalid as long as you have time left on it.

Just do a visa run on your next scheduled 90 day mark and do not overstay and you should be just fine...

Problem will be when you try to renew the "B" visa when it expires unless you have proper documentation to prove you have business to conduct ro work in Thailand. The Embassies and Consulates are checking them much more closely and verifying information on applications now.

[freefunk]

Thanks for your info,

The problem is not my Non B as that had expired on the 11 June 2006.

I reckon I should just leave in that seven days though and enter on 60 day tourist visa??