Just days ago, the judge overseeing former President Donald Trump’s prosecution on charges of seeking to subvert the 2020 election admonished him against violating the conditions of his release put in place at his arraignment — including by making “inflammatory statements” that could be construed as possibly intimidating witnesses or other people involved in the case.

But Trump immediately tested that warning by posting a string of messages on his social media website, Truth Social, that largely amplified others criticizing the judge, Tanya Chutkan.

In one post, written by an ally of Trump’s, lawyer Mike Davis, a large photo of Chutkan accompanied text that falsely claimed she had “openly admitted she’s running election interference against Trump.” In two other posts, Trump wrote, “She obviously wants me behind bars. VERY BIASED & UNFAIR.”

 

After eight years of pushing back at a number of institutions in the United States, Trump is now probing the limits of what the criminal justice system will tolerate and the lines that Chutkan sought to lay out about what he can — and cannot — say about the election interference case she is overseeing.

 

He has waged a similarly defiant campaign against others involved in criminal cases against him, denouncing Jack Smith, the special counsel who brought two federal indictments against him, as “deranged”; casting Fani Willis, the district attorney of Fulton County, Georgia, as “corrupt”; and even singling out witnesses.

Some lawyers have said that if Trump were an ordinary citizen issuing these attacks, he would be in jail by now. The question is whether Trump will face consequences for this kind of behavior before a trial.

 

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Perhaps Donnie needs a time out till he gets over his tantrum and I know just the place in the Georgia country jail they really need to put him in check.all the shouting and bluster doesn’t add up to anything more than hot air.It’s obvious to everyone who has eyes ears a functional brain that he has grievously betrayed the oath of office and broken the law just lock him up allready!

There is nothing that will be done. Changing the trial date to an earlier date really is not feasible and would only be grounds for an appeal. And putting him in jail? House arrest seems the only practical option, Not allowing or limiting access to Truth Social would impede his first amendment rights.
He has gotten away with breaking the law for a long time already and is able to continue doing so for the moment.

Start by locking him up over a weekend, maybe? This seems like something similar to reasonable parents setting boundaries with an out of control tantrumming brat. He does need a time out at the very least. "A rule that is not enforced ceases to be a rule."

If the judge is to have any credibility and control, Trump needs to be locked up. He was warned

Jailing him might be impractical, but they could take away his phone and only let him use it under supervision.

3 hours ago, Tug said:

It’s obvious to everyone who has eyes ears a functional brain that he has grievously betrayed the oath of office and broken the law just lock him up allready!

Yeah who needs a trial? It's not like due process is really important anyway. 

 

I mean, he's clearly guilty of wrongthink and wrongspeak so why waste the money on a fair trial? Just lock him up already. Burma style ????.

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Yeah who needs a trial? It's not like due process is really important anyway. 

 

I mean, he's clearly guilty of wrongthink and wrongspeak so why waste the money on a fair trial? Just lock him up already. Burma style ????.

The better question to ask is "Who needs to obey the judge's instructions?" The right to free speech is not unlimited. The judge's instruction would apply to any defendant? Why do you think Trump should be exempt?

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

The better question to ask is "Who needs to obey the judge's instructions?" The right to free speech is not unlimited. The judge's instruction would apply to any defendant? Why do you think Trump should be exempt?

Strawman.

 

I was reply to the post suggesting he should be locked up prior to his trial because everyone knows he must be guilty anyway. Now I know that's what you'd really like, but you could at least pretend to believe in due process for everyone irrespective of political leanings. It would make you sound more credible.

13 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Yeah who needs a trial? It's not like due process is really important anyway. 

 

I mean, he's clearly guilty of wrongthink and wrongspeak so why waste the money on a fair trial? Just lock him up already. Burma style ????.

No need for a trial if he breaks the conditions of his release. That's what this topic is about.

Democrat judge and jury—sounds fair, right?

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

There is nothing that will be done. Changing the trial date to an earlier date really is not feasible and would only be grounds for an appeal. And putting him in jail? House arrest seems the only practical option, Not allowing or limiting access to Truth Social would impede his first amendment rights.
He has gotten away with breaking the law for a long time already and is able to continue doing so for the moment.

They are going to appeal anyway.  If the bail is revoked and they keep him in the cage until the verdict is in he will be in a right hurry to move it along.  House arrest means access to comms, so he'd be able to keep intimidating, like they caught Manafort doing.

They should take away his Secret Service detail, let his patriot army take care of him: https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-news-2663598788/

 

Do the crime, do the time.

 

6 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Yeah who needs a trial? It's not like due process is really important anyway. 

 

I mean, he's clearly guilty of wrongthink and wrongspeak so why waste the money on a fair trial? Just lock him up already. Burma style ????.

You are 100% correct to think that I personally think he is guilty that being said I’m more responding to the fact that trump is using his platform to intimidate and threaten witnesses that’s not allowed he needs a (time out) jail the big mouth stop screwing around flap the yap go to jail just like everyone else would .he will get his trial he just might have to be incarcerated beforehand because he can’t stop threatening people that simple as I suspect you allready know 

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6 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

Democrat judge and jury—sounds fair, right?

Where's your evidence that the jury were democrats? Just the fact that they found reason to indict is proof enough for you, right?

 

Do you believe everyone makes life decisions based on their political affiliations?

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27 minutes ago, Tug said:

You are 100% correct to think that I personally think he is guilty that being said I’m more responding to the fact that trump is using his platform to intimidate and threaten witnesses that’s not allowed he needs a (time out) jail the big mouth stop screwing around flap the yap go to jail just like everyone else would .he will get his trial he just might have to be incarcerated beforehand because he can’t stop threatening people that simple as I suspect you allready know 

While I respectfully disagree I have to commend you for choosing the correct platform for posts and opinions like that. 

 

Let's wait for the trial and hope the courts are not politically biased. Nobody wants to see the US sink further towards the developing world's system of justice where political enemies are eliminated at the hands of corrupt judges.

8 hours ago, bendejo said:

They are going to appeal anyway.  If the bail is revoked and they keep him in the cage until the verdict is in he will be in a right hurry to move it along.  House arrest means access to comms, so he'd be able to keep intimidating, like they caught Manafort doing.

They should take away his Secret Service detail, let his patriot army take care of him: https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-news-2663598788/

 

Do the crime, do the time.

 

Agree, but not going to happen.

His niece says these rants aren't strategy anymore.

 

https://www.rawstory.com/mary-trump-on-trump-tantrums/

Edited August 17, 20232 yr by ozimoron

Is it too soon to stop holding my breath waiting for Trump all singing all dancing all exonerating 10am report?

Edited August 17, 20232 yr by ozimoron

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

While I respectfully disagree I have to commend you for choosing the correct platform for posts and opinions like that. 

 

Let's wait for the trial and hope the courts are not politically biased. Nobody wants to see the US sink further towards the developing world's system of justice where political enemies are eliminated at the hands of corrupt judges.

You seem to be confusing two totally different issues.

Nobody credible wants Trump sentenced without fair trials leading to convictions.

The issue here is that he is violating the terms of his pre trial releases. Any other citizen if they have done what Trump has done would be incarcerated waiting for trial.

Yes he's being given a special break because the situation of a former president facing such a plethora of felony indictments while running for president is extremely unprecedented.

Judges want to preserve his rights, but as he does, he's pushing this to the limits.

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3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You seem to be confusing two totally different issues.

Nobody credible wants Trump sentenced without fair trials leading to convictions.

The issue here is that he is violating the terms of his pre trial releases. Any other citizen if they have done what Trump has done would be incarcerated waiting for trial.

I do. I want Trump locked up right now without any trial and they should drop the key off a boat over the Mariana's Trench.

 

oh, wait. You said credible....

4 hours ago, Tug said:

You are 100% correct to think that I personally think he is guilty

After hearing that find me votes telephone call it is ludicrous that anyone would could think otherwise.  I suspect we may get reports of similar entreaties from the other six 'battleground' states.
 

On the other hand if Trumps wins in 2024, the absurd Ukraine war will end and so will the billions going out from US Treasury to Ukraine, will  come to an end. Time to help one's own before spending tax money all over the planet on different motivations.

I also of course think he's guilty of a plethora of felonies.

Which means I couldn't serve on his jury trials.

 

1 minute ago, Middle Aged Grouch said:

On the other hand if Trumps wins in 2024, the absurd Ukraine war will end and so will the billions going out from US Treasury to Ukraine, will  come to an end. Time to help one's own before spending tax money all over the planet on different motivations.

I guess it's lost on you that it's in America's self interest to continue to provide support for Ukraine, and to weaken Russia.

Retired conservative judge J Michael Luttig. "Trump and his supporters are a clear and present danger to American democracy".

 

This video should be watched by everybody.

 

 

A clear and present danger.

He should clearly be incarcerated while awaiting his trials.

 

'What's he got to lose?' Fascism expert says Trump's only option is to 'stage a coup' - Raw Story - Celebrating 19 Years of Independent Journalism

 

Nothing is being done to curb Donald Trump from encouraging violence in his name – so it's only going to get worse, an expert wrote Thursday,

Threats against judges and prosecutors are escalating, and members of the grand jury in Georgia have become targets of some Trump supporters with their names, photos and, in some cases, addresses posted online. Judge Tanya Chutkan, in particular, was targeted with racist threats to kill her if Trump is not elected in 2024.

Meanwhile, Republicans – whether they're Trump allies or not – aren't stepping in to lower the temperature.

46 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

A clear and present danger.

He should clearly be incarcerated while awaiting his trials.

 

'What's he got to lose?' Fascism expert says Trump's only option is to 'stage a coup' - Raw Story - Celebrating 19 Years of Independent Journalism

 

Nothing is being done to curb Donald Trump from encouraging violence in his name – so it's only going to get worse, an expert wrote Thursday,

Threats against judges and prosecutors are escalating, and members of the grand jury in Georgia have become targets of some Trump supporters with their names, photos and, in some cases, addresses posted online. Judge Tanya Chutkan, in particular, was targeted with racist threats to kill her if Trump is not elected in 2024.

Meanwhile, Republicans – whether they're Trump allies or not – aren't stepping in to lower the temperature.

I think the calculus is to get himself incarcerated shortly and hope to foment a civil war.

Everyone that does not support him will face his vicious attacks and will be haunted by the angry mob that follows him. He truly has become a force of destruction. Question is if the US will be able to cure itself of this cancer before the damage gets too big.

Grand jurors who voted to indict former President Trump in Georgia earlier this week are facing threats and a profusion of racist comments online.

 

The jurors’ names were listed publicly within the indictment, as required under Georgia law. A review of social media platforms and far-right forums found users posting numerous racial slurs and even the jurors’ addresses.

 

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4156983-grand-jurors-in-trump-georgia-case-face-threats-racist-abuse/

2 hours ago, Middle Aged Grouch said:

On the other hand if Trumps wins in 2024, the absurd Ukraine war will end and so will the billions going out from US Treasury to Ukraine, will  come to an end. Time to help one's own before spending tax money all over the planet on different motivations.

Off-topic and complete nonsense.

13 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

Democrat judge and jury—sounds fair, right?

And in other cases it is republican judge and likely repub jury...and in case you have not noticed almost every single witness that has testified under oath so far is a republican who voted for trump and many were selected or appointed by trump....and yet for some weird reason republican after republican has testified under oath knowing full well that they and their family will get all sorts of death threats for simply telling the truth as to what they saw and heard....sounds like a giant dem witch hunt to me...those crafty dems convince all these life long republicans to lie under oath and threat...wow that is impressive....