Here are photos of the Apollo 11 landing site from a couple of satellites....

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Amazing how many people here need remedial classes in science and critical thinking.

Those attributes are not normally associated with very many Members, on any general forum. 

1 minute ago, Doctor Tom said:

Those attributes are not normally associated with very many Members, on any general forum. 

It's not many here either, just a dozen or so.

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

It's not many here either, just a dozen or so.

I guess that's why these forums are both entertaining and irritating at the same time. 

2 minutes ago, Doctor Tom said:

I guess that's why these forums are both entertaining and irritating at the same time. 

I don't find mass delusionment at all entertaining. The prospect that there are more of them than it appears is scary. They are potentially loose cannons in the real world.

Edited September 3, 20232 yr by ozimoron

25 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

But you still can't answer why many spacecraft have imaged Apollo hardware sitting on the Moon.

 

If you asked NASA personnel a question about the Moon landings, and they couldn't answer, you would conclude they had no credibility. Likewise, if you cannot answer questions about proof, you have no credibility.

I'm not saying that Earth has not sent stuff to the moon. I am saying that evidence of man getting to the moon is so scarce to be non-existent. And don't say that there is video. Play the vids at x2 speed and its just guys mucking about in some studio.

 

I think the onus is on the people that went to the moon to provide evidence.

 

Where are the hundreds of blueprints, reels of tape, and all accompanying docs? Is it because that modern technology would show it all to be fake?

I have come to believe that there must be a genetic influence that makes some people more likely to believe in conspiracy theories.  It must be on a continuum with some people at the far end.  

8 minutes ago, ricklev said:

I have come to believe that there must be a genetic influence that makes some people more likely to believe in conspiracy theories.  It must be on a continuum with some people at the far end.  

It's true and quite easily verified. There's plenty of research out there which explains supports that contention. I've posted some of it on this board from time to time.

Edited September 3, 20232 yr by ozimoron

1 hour ago, owl sees all said:

I'm not saying that Earth has not sent stuff to the moon. I am saying that evidence of man getting to the moon is so scarce to be non-existent. And don't say that there is video. Play the vids at x2 speed and its just guys mucking about in some studio.

 

I think the onus is on the people that went to the moon to provide evidence.

 

Where are the hundreds of blueprints, reels of tape, and all accompanying docs? Is it because that modern technology would show it all to be fake?

You agree that the Apollo 11 descent stage is sitting on the Moon?

1 hour ago, ricklev said:

I have come to believe that there must be a genetic influence that makes some people more likely to believe in conspiracy theories.  It must be on a continuum with some people at the far end.  

I think it simply comes down to the influence of education, or, in this case [that the moon landings are a conspiracy] a lack there of... 

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

It's true and quite easily verified. There's plenty of research out there which explains supports that contention. I've posted some of it on this board from time to time.

This study reviewed 170 studies involving over 158,000 participants associated with conspiratorial thinking, mainly from the United States, the United Kingdom and Poland. 

 

Here's just a few reasons the study mentions but lots more context in the article.

 

The researchers found that overall, people were motivated to believe in conspiracy theories by a need to understand and feel safe in their environment and a need to feel like the community they identify with is superior to others.

The researchers also found that people with certain personality traits, such as a sense of antagonism toward others and high levels of paranoia, were more prone to believe conspiracy theories. Those who strongly believed in conspiracy theories were also more likely to be insecure, paranoid, emotionally volatile, impulsive, suspicious, withdrawn, manipulative, egocentric and eccentric.

https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2023/06/why-people-believe-conspiracy-theories

1 hour ago, owl sees all said:

I'm not saying that Earth has not sent stuff to the moon. I am saying that evidence of man getting to the moon is so scarce to be non-existent. And don't say that there is video. Play the vids at x2 speed and its just guys mucking about in some studio.

There is video - your 2x playback argument is just flawed. Faster footage speed does not explain the clearly displayed effect of gravity. 

 

There are also artefacts brought back from the Moon - Basalt that has not been oxidised, the moon basalt (382kgs from 6 missions) is also different in chemical makeup (I wouldn't expect laymen conspiracists to understand this).

 

1 hour ago, owl sees all said:

 

I think the onus is on the people that went to the moon to provide evidence.

There is plenty of evidence - the theories of the conspiracy theorists are far more readily debunked than the fact that the moon was visited by humans numerous times. 

 

1 hour ago, owl sees all said:

Where are the hundreds of blueprints, reels of tape, and all accompanying docs? Is it because that modern technology would show it all to be fake?

The Lunar Laser Retro-Reflector is clear evidence. 

 

And, no, there is plenty of evidence out there, but conspiracists attempt to debunk all the information with semi-feasible sounding argument which is ultimately flawed or deliberately (conveniently) ignores facts.

 

 

Creating the global belief that we went to the moon is actually a lot more difficult than actually, going to the moon !!!...  The conspiracy more difficult than reality in this case - 400,000 people would need to be all in on the same lie. 

 

Then there is of course the Mark Twain argument...  'never argue with an idiot', this is why Nasa doesn't get seriously involved in arguing against conspiracists - why should Nasa stoop to such levels and accommodate the conspiracy theories? - Conspiracists who have made up their mind are simply a waste of time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, owl sees all said:

 

 

Where are the hundreds of blueprints, reels of tape, and all accompanying docs? Is it because that modern technology would show it all to be fake?

https://history.nasa.gov/alsj/alsj-LMdocs.html

 

https://www.sothebys.com/en/buy/auction/2019/space-exploration/grumman-apollo-lunar-landing-project-blueprints

 

Your position is internally inconsistent:

 

If you agree that NASA sent stuff to land on the moon, why wouldn't there be blueprints and reels for that stuff?

 

Therefore, what equipment for Apollo do you believe was fictitious (ie no blueprints)?

 

The Saturn V rocket?

 

Please explain.

3 hours ago, owl sees all said:

Really! Lunar soil disrupted by footsteps! Dear me!!

 

Some people, are still alive, and know the truth about it all. Whether that will be revealed in 2026, remains to be seen.

You can't answer simple questions about your fantasy that we didn't land on the Moon.

 

Why is that?

Alien's have far more interest in the USA than other area's... 

 

92% of the worlds reported Alien sightings are in the USA....    so, for some reasons either Aliens visit the USA more than any other place has a higher proportion of conspiracists and nut-jobs than other areas... 

 

AND... why the anal probing ???

 

https://studyfinds.org/aliens-ufo-sightings-united-states/

While large, populated states may have been the place to be if you wanted to see a UFO years ago, the study found that these alien visitors may be changing their flight paths. Over the last five years, more Americans have reported UFO sightings in Idaho than anywhere else in the nation, per 100,000 residents.

 

New Hampshire (313), Montana (223), Vermont (132), and New Mexico (391) round out the top five places for UFO sightings over the last five years.

 

At the same time, big states like Texas (50th), New York (46th), and California (41st) now have the fewest reports of UFO sightings per 100,000 residents.

 

https://studyfinds.org/ufo-sightings-usa-most-reports/

21 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

While large, populated states may have been the place to be if you wanted to see a UFO years ago, the study found that these alien visitors may be changing their flight paths. Over the last five years, more Americans have reported UFO sightings in Idaho than anywhere else in the nation, per 100,000 residents.

 

New Hampshire (313), Montana (223), Vermont (132), and New Mexico (391) round out the top five places for UFO sightings over the last five years.

 

At the same time, big states like Texas (50th), New York (46th), and California (41st) now have the fewest reports of UFO sightings per 100,000 residents.

 

https://studyfinds.org/ufo-sightings-usa-most-reports/

I suspect there is a correlation between high UFO sightings and low college enrollment.

42 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You can't answer simple questions about your fantasy that we didn't land on the Moon.

 

Why is that?

What is the question again.

 

There is also the question of space dust.Also the temperature range on the moon's surface Going from -150f to +120 depending whether one was in the sun or not. Do those special suits protect from either?

 

The mystery of 700+ boxes of evidence. What happen to them?

 

If it could be done in 1969, I'm sure those cleaver Indians or Chinese might have thought; 'Why not give it a go. After all the Americans did it 50+ years ago."

4 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

What is the question again.

 

There is also the question of space dust.Also the temperature range on the moon's surface Going from -150f to +120 depending whether one was in the sun or not. Do those special suits protect from either?

 

The mystery of 700+ boxes of evidence. What happen to them?

 

If it could be done in 1969, I'm sure those cleaver Indians or Chinese might have thought; 'Why not give it a go. After all the Americans did it 50+ years ago."

Not-Unsolved Mysteries: The “Lost” Apollo 11 Tapes

Before diving into the details of two distinct events that seem to have become conflated, it’s worth emphasizing three key points:

NASA searched for but could not locate some of the original Apollo 11 data tapes – “original” in the sense that they directly recorded data transmitted from the Moon. An intensive search of archives and records concluded that the most likely scenario was that the program managers determined there was no longer a need to keep the tapes — since all the video and data were recorded elsewhere — and they were erased and reused.
The data on those tapes, including video data, were relayed to the Manned Spacecraft Center (now the Johnson Space Center), during the mission. The video was recorded there and in other locations; there is no missing video footage from the Apollo 11 moonwalk.
The search discovered high-quality broadcast versions of the footage. NASA worked with Lowry Digital, a premier film restoration company, to process the video using techniques unavailable in 1969. The restored video was released in HD as part of the 40th anniversary of Apollo 11.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/not-unsolved-mysteries-the-lost-apollo-11-tapes

2 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

What is the question again.

 

There is also the question of space dust.Also the temperature range on the moon's surface Going from -150f to +120 depending whether one was in the sun or not. Do those special suits protect from either?

Apollo astronauts wore A7-L spacesuits which used a combination of insulation, reflective surfaces, and an ice sublimator to regulate temperature and was / is capable of protecting the astronaut from temperatures ranging from −156 °C to 121 °C.

 

When the astronauts returned to the lunar module their suits were covered in the dust which is potentially hazardous as its made of of silicon dioxide (very fine glass fibres), fortunately the 'dust' is electronically charged and stuck to things (the suits) rather than bellow off the suits in clouds (of dust) which could be inhaled. 

 

 

2 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

The mystery of 700+ boxes of evidence. What happen to them?

There is no mystery...   or rather, the only mystery is if you believe in a conspiracy. 

 

Nasa admits that some 200,000 tapes were degaussed (magnetically erased) and to be re-used to save money.

There is still plenty of 'tape' evidence from the lunar surface. 

 

2 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

If it could be done in 1969, I'm sure those cleaver Indians or Chinese might have thought; 'Why not give it a go. After all the Americans did it 50+ years ago."

Why go again ??... for what purpose. 

Extreme cost for what benefit ?  - the 'space race' is over, which was the original reason.

 

Now government agencies can send craft to these area's without risking human life - this is exampled by India's landing on the 'dark side' of he moon.

 

 

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Not-Unsolved Mysteries: The “Lost” Apollo 11 Tapes

Before diving into the details of two distinct events that seem to have become conflated, it’s worth emphasizing three key points:

NASA searched for but could not locate some of the original Apollo 11 data tapes – “original” in the sense that they directly recorded data transmitted from the Moon. An intensive search of archives and records concluded that the most likely scenario was that the program managers determined there was no longer a need to keep the tapes — since all the video and data were recorded elsewhere — and they were erased and reused.
The data on those tapes, including video data, were relayed to the Manned Spacecraft Center (now the Johnson Space Center), during the mission. The video was recorded there and in other locations; there is no missing video footage from the Apollo 11 moonwalk.
The search discovered high-quality broadcast versions of the footage. NASA worked with Lowry Digital, a premier film restoration company, to process the video using techniques unavailable in 1969. The restored video was released in HD as part of the 40th anniversary of Apollo 11.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/not-unsolved-mysteries-the-lost-apollo-11-tapes

Wow!!

 

Some of the most important footage and info ever, and some twit said it was no longer needed; and destroyed it. I don't buy that one.

 

As for actually sending message and footage from the moon. Well! If they didn't get there in the first place, that would be rather difficult wouldn't it?

1 minute ago, owl sees all said:

Wow!!

 

Some of the most important footage and info ever, and some twit said it was no longer needed; and destroyed it. I don't buy that one.

 

As for actually sending message and footage from the moon. Well! If they didn't get there in the first place, that would be rather difficult wouldn't it?

But they have it:

 

"The data on those tapes, including video data, were relayed to the Manned Spacecraft Center (now the Johnson Space Center), during the mission. The video was recorded there and in other locations; there is no missing video footage from the Apollo 11 moonwalk."

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Why go again ??... for what purpose. 

Extreme cost for what benefit ?  - the 'space race' is over, which was the original reason.

And there was me thinking that there were other reasons for the giant deception. Leap-frog the Ruskies. Distraction from the atrocities in Vietnam. Among others.

Well this should keep folks busy for awhile. I can't believe I'm so different from so many. I never gave the moon landing one bit of thought till recently and only when I started browsing You Tube. Now, I can only wonder why we never went back, well unless we never went there in the first place.

 

I didn't know about Russia and their interest in Venus until recently.

 

9/11 is a touchy subject. I watched a few hours of a video which diesected the explosions of the towers. Interesting stuff, I can see why some go down the rabbit hole. I just never had the time to delve to far into the abyss. 

3 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Why go again ??... for what purpose. 

Extreme cost for what benefit ?  - the 'space race' is over, which was the original reason.

And there was me thinking that there were other reasons for the giant deception. Leap-frog the Ruskies. Distraction from the atrocities in Vietnam. Among others.

'reasons for the giant deception'....     hmmm....   

 

The 'space race' was all about leap frogging the Russians....   after which we also discovered there was little economic benefit to going to the moon - thus, after the 6 missions (with 12 men walking on the moon) funding for moon missions was removed.

 

The reason mankind has not been back to the Moon is extremely simple - cost. 

 

 

13 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Apollo astronauts wore A7-L spacesuits which used a combination of insulation, reflective surfaces, and an ice sublimator to regulate temperature and was / is capable of protecting the astronaut from temperatures ranging from −156 °C to 121 °C.

 

When the astronauts returned to the lunar module their suits were covered in the dust which is potentially hazardous as its made of of silicon dioxide (very fine glass fibres), fortunately the 'dust' is electronically charged and stuck to things (the suits) rather than bellow off the suits in clouds (of dust) which could be inhaled. 

 

 

There is no mystery...   or rather, the only mystery is if you believe in a conspiracy. 

 

Nasa admits that some 200,000 tapes were degaussed (magnetically erased) and to be re-used to save money.

There is still plenty of 'tape' evidence from the lunar surface. 

 

Why go again ??... for what purpose. 

Extreme cost for what benefit ?  - the 'space race' is over, which was the original reason.

 

Now government agencies can send craft to these area's without risking human life - this is exampled by India's landing on the 'dark side' of he moon.

 

 

Nasa admits that some 200,000 tapes were degaussed (magnetically erased) and to be re-used to save money.

 

I can't buy that explanation. Something as historic as Man on the Moon and the evidence is intentionally destroyed? To save a buck, c'mon.

Sorry i am not that sophisticated ,i am still wondering

if the light goes off when i close the fridge.

 

The conspiracy nuts are morons. I had one guy tell me the moon landings were fake. Then a few minutes later he was going on about the helium-3 mining on the far side of the moon. How in the world are the mining helium-3 on the moon if we never went to the moon? Idiots. 

1 minute ago, gargamon said:

The conspiracy nuts are morons. I had one guy tell me the moon landings were fake. Then a few minutes later he was going on about the helium-3 mining on the far side of the moon. How in the world are the mining helium-3 on the moon if we never went to the moon? Idiots. 

Robots!

If you watched Breaking Bad, this reminds me when Badger and Skinny Pete had some deep meth fueled discussions.