Non o retirement visa accidentally got cancelled

[Terry2905]

I have talked to the visa agent today. 

 

They have told me that I will get a non o visa based on retirement, valid for 15 months, and that jomtien immigration only want to see my bank account again. Of course I don't know the reason, but I assume that the jomtien immigration want 2 bank letter, 1 for the voa extension and another 1 for the non o visa?

 

Anyway, the visa agent has assured me that I will get a new non o visa based on retirement, on Thursday. 

 

I do actually now have more than the 800,000 baht in my thai bank. I unexpectedly received some money from my late Father (thank you Dad). Not a lot, but enough to last me until I start to get my UK oap next year. 

 

Thank goodness for visa agents!

 

As they say in star trek, live long and prosper!

 

I will add 1 final note. Not all of us that have chosen Thailand to retire to have 800,000 baht to lock away in the bank forever. I will be able to live in Thailand on only my UK oap, now also with some emergency savings, thanks to my Father who sadly passed away last year, and left me a small inheritance. 

 

I will close by saying a big thank you to those of you who gave me positive feedback. 

 

To those of you who only gave derogatory remarks. There was no need to reply with derogatory remarks!

 

This forum is meant to be a social forum, where we can share our experiences and ask for helpful advice. 

 

I asked a simple question concerning my non o retirement visa, but I received some very upsetting replies, which was uncalled for. 

 

Yes I forgot about getting a re entry stamp. I was sick and in a wheelchair through the airport, and I simply forgot about getting a re entry stamp!

 

There was no need to add to my woes with derogatory comments!

 

 

 

[sapson]

4 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

Such a cowardly disgusting nasty comment aimed at a sick fellow in a wheelchair. Watch out for Karma you sad piece of work. 

Excellent reply couldnt have put it better myself other than an Im alright Jack <deleted>!! going to come crashing down from that lofty perch ..... when for sure Karma comes calling.

[Gottfrid]

Good solution! Put money in the bank, get you 90 days, extend when money seasoned. Everything else is outside the immigration laws.

[brianthainess]

2 hours ago, impulse said:

Good info.  Thanks.  Just out of curiosity, does anyone tuned in here know the exact amount of time abroad before you're vulnerable?

Just don't tell them where you have been living. you don't stroll into a hospital and say I've just come back from Thailand. Easy to register with a walk in doctor if necessary.

[bg53]

I feel sorry for your situation. I hope it all gets sorted out!

[paddypower]

5 hours ago, VocalNeal said:

Sadly the moral of the story is don't forget your re-entry permit when leaving.

my sympathies. we went through the same process, literally 3 months after arriving on retirement non-o visa extension. i got diagnosed with a serious condition. flew back to Canada, for treatment, forgetting to obtain the reentry, just like the OP. the advice you are receiving here is correct. hope your health improves.

[bondjames007]

You can also request for a re-entry stamp from the agency, same time when applying for the extension,   you will get the re-entry & extension stamps stamped in your passport.  You will pay for the extension and the re-entry when applying for the extension.

 

That way if you have to leave Thailand for an emergency, during the period of your extension,  you don't need to worry about applying for a re-entry. 

[proton]

2 hours ago, howerde said:

There is no minimum/ maximum time abroad(once you move abroad and are no longer resident you lose your right to free NHS treatment getting it back is quite simple see below 

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/using-the-nhs-when-you-return-to-live-in-the-uk#:~:text=Complete a GMS1 form to,are eligible for free healthcare.

 

for what it is worth if you are still registered with your gp you would be covered unless you tell them you live abroad, i hear some people use a relatives house to still show an address in UK(they get themselves on the council tax bill, but as you know the GP where you are registered must be in the area where your 'new address' is

At the same time A&E is full of foreigners getting free treatment as they do as soon as the illegal boats land. UK is falling apart and being taking advantage of

[Terry2905]

4 minutes ago, bondjames007 said:

You can also request for a re-entry stamp from the agency, same time when applying for the extension,   you will get the re-entry & extension stamps stamped in your passport.  You will pay for the extension and the re-entry when applying for the extension.

 

That way if you have to leave Thailand for an emergency, during the period of your extension,  you don't need to worry about applying for a re-entry. 

I have learned my lesson. The hard and expensive way!

 

A multi entry stamp is really only necessary for people who do travel around the world, for whatever reason. 

 

But if there is a next time for me, I will remember to get a re entry stamp at the airport immigration office. 

[Tod Daniels]

4 minutes ago, Terry2905 said:

I have learned my lesson. The hard and expensive way!

 

A multi entry stamp is really only necessary for people who do travel around the world, for whatever reason. 

 

But if there is a next time for me, I will remember to get a re entry stamp at the airport immigration office. 

So at the end of the day it's exactly as I outlined. ???? 

You (the agent) applied for the 90 day Non-O visa from immigrations, and you will then get a year extension added on

That's the 3+12=15 that all the agents do down there.

What they don't do is all the stamps the same day anymore.. They spread them out the dates are more in line with actual timeline to do that process.

I meant no disrespect toward you, I was only trying to tell you what was going on because you didn't seem to know what was happening..

AND
I do know that some agents make you show up to immigrations two times.

Once to get your photo taken when you apply for the Non-O 90 day visa and then once again a few weeks later when they give you the year extension.

The up side is, when you DO finally get your passport back (which can take up to a month if you let them hold it the whole time) you will have 15 months valid stay in your passport.

AND

You might want to have them get you at least a single re-entry permit so that if you have to leave suddenly you can..

Congrats that you're getting sorted..

[sandyf]

3 hours ago, Eff1n2ret said:

I think it depends on when or if your GP knocks you off their records, and then your National Health number gets deleted. I left the UK in late 2009. In 2016 I had an acute bout of asthma when I was back there, Saturday morning, the surgery was closed so I presented myself at A & E. I gave the receptionist my name and dob, and she immediately said, "Oh that's XX, YZ Road?", my former address. So, nearly 7 years later I was still on the system. More recently I've searched for my record on the NHS website (I can't remember my NH number) and I've become a non-person. Treatment by a GP, if you can get an appointment, or at A&E is free even if you're a non-resident, the 'cost + 50%' applies to in-patient treatment.

Neither your NHS or NI number gets deleted. If a GP removes you from their practice your records are returned to the central registar and any new GP can get them from there. 

[Terry2905]

40 minutes ago, Tod Daniels said:

So at the end of the day it's exactly as I outlined. ???? 

You (the agent) applied for the 90 day Non-O visa from immigrations, and you will then get a year extension added on

That's the 3+12=15 that all the agents do down there.

What they don't do is all the stamps the same day anymore.. They spread them out the dates are more in line with actual timeline to do that process.

I meant no disrespect toward you, I was only trying to tell you what was going on because you didn't seem to know what was happening..

AND
I do know that some agents make you show up to immigrations two times.

Once to get your photo taken when you apply for the Non-O 90 day visa and then once again a few weeks later when they give you the year extension.

The up side is, when you DO finally get your passport back (which can take up to a month if you let them hold it the whole time) you will have 15 months valid stay in your passport.

AND

You might want to have them get you at least a single re-entry permit so that if you have to leave suddenly you can..

Congrats that you're getting sorted..

Thank you for your reply. 

 

Yes I may have to go twice to jomtien immigration, but the agent told me today that I only need to go to the bank again, and that I will get my passport back on Thursday, with a 15 month non o visa based on retirement. 

 

I just have to wait and see. 

 

 

[spambot]

3 hours ago, Eff1n2ret said:

I think it depends on when or if your GP knocks you off their records, and then your National Health number gets deleted. I left the UK in late 2009. In 2016 I had an acute bout of asthma when I was back there, Saturday morning, the surgery was closed so I presented myself at A & E. I gave the receptionist my name and dob, and she immediately said, "Oh that's XX, YZ Road?", my former address. So, nearly 7 years later I was still on the system. More recently I've searched for my record on the NHS website (I can't remember my NH number) and I've become a non-person. Treatment by a GP, if you can get an appointment, or at A&E is free even if you're a non-resident, the 'cost + 50%' applies to in-patient treatment.

Good info - I guess as long as you have been registered with a GP at some point and you need to get inpatient treatment within the same health trust area then there would be little reason to believe that treatment would not be available.

 

I am assuming that "becoming a non-person" means that you and your records are not showing up on the online service and this might be that you simply need to first complete the online registration and then you and your records would appear. 

 

In order to maintain an inpatient access it seems the important issue is that you remain registered with the GP.

 

For a proactive removal by GP or inpatient admin at the hospital I am not sure they have a process that tests for residence status after a set period of time.

 

Other than directly telling GP that you are no longer suitable for GP registration there seems  little that would be done to have removal from registration.

 

it would be interesting to know if there is any linked process when informing DWP that you now reside overseas in Thailand if this then translates over to removal from GP registration?

[sandyf]

3 minutes ago, spambot said:

 

it would be interesting to know if there is any linked process when informing DWP that you now reside overseas in Thailand if this then translates over to removal from GP registration?

No it doesn't.

[Terry2905]

4 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Neither your NHS or NI number gets deleted. If a GP removes you from their practice your records are returned to the central registar and any new GP can get them from there. 

Yes. That was why the Manchester City hospital refused to help me, because my records showed that my previous address and gp was in Blackpool.

 

 

[spambot]

3 minutes ago, sandyf said:

No it doesn't.

Good info ....and fast response!

[sandyf]

8 minutes ago, Terry2905 said:

Thank you for your reply. 

 

Yes I may have to go twice to jomtien immigration, but the agent told me today that I only need to go to the bank again, and that I will get my passport back on Thursday, with a 15 month non o visa based on retirement. 

 

I just have to wait and see. 

 

 

When asking for advice you are not doing yourself any favours by constantly contradicting what has been said with incorrect statements 

"with a 15 month non o visa based on retirement."

It does not matter how you think the agent said it, you need to understand that there is no such thing as a 15 month Non O visa.

[sandyf]

12 minutes ago, spambot said:

I am assuming that "becoming a non-person" means that you and your records are not showing up on the online service and this might be that you simply need to first complete the online registration and then you and your records would appear. 

It is extremely difficult to register yourself for online. You have to go through a "selfie" routine that is almost impossible in the time allowed, gave up in the end. Most that are registered will probably have done it through their GP.

I looked at this a couple of years ago and have forgotton the numbers. The government had said the NHS app had been extremely successful, but what they meant was there had been a few million downloads but only a very small percentage had actually registered online. 

[Eff1n2ret]

15 minutes ago, spambot said:

I am assuming that "becoming a non-person" means that you and your records are not showing up on the online service and this might be that you simply need to first complete the online registration and then you and your records would appear. 

Yes, I'm afraid "non-person" and "second-class citizen" are my habitual shorthand terms for the callous disregard with which the UK public services seem to treat us expats.

If you go on the NHS website, as I have just done again and tried to find my NHS number, you will be asked for name, date of birth and postcode. I put in the postcode of my last address (where in fact I still own the property, which is rented out). Up comes the answer, We can't trace those details. If the NHS number is stored somewhere, as sandyf maintains, I wouldn't take bets on it being easy to retrieve it. If I went to a GP's reception I would expect to be greeted with blank stares and head-shaking. 

[spambot]

3 minutes ago, sandyf said:

It is extremely difficult to register yourself for online. You have to go through a "selfie" routine that is almost impossible in the time allowed, gave up in the end. Most that are registered will probably have done it through their GP.

I looked at this a couple of years ago and have forgotton the numbers. The government had said the NHS app had been extremely successful, but what they meant was there had been a few million downloads but only a very small percentage had actually registered online. 

Yup Agree, the process is not straightforward. At one point I had apps that were recommended by the GP practice and they did give me access to my records, then later I moved across to the NHS online service.

[Eff1n2ret]

21 minutes ago, Terry2905 said:

Yes. That was why the Manchester City hospital refused to help me, because my records showed that my previous address and gp was in Blackpool.

Even under the old system prior to April 2015 whereby expat pensioners could be treated free in NHS hospitals, that was only for emergency treatment, you couldn't go back there for elective treatment, say, a hip replacement. Manchester Hospital wouldn't have refused to treat you if you were seriously ill, but you would have copped a bill if you had been admitted for treatment. I expect they told you to go to your GP and get a referral to a hospital consultant. This happened a few years ago to a neighbour who had pains in his knees and went back expecting to get them fixed. He came limping back.

[Terry2905]

Just now, sandyf said:

When asking for advice you are not doing yourself any favours by constantly contradicting what has been said with incorrect statements 

"with a 15 month non o visa based on retirement."

It does not matter how you think the agent said it, you need to understand that there is no such thing as a 15 month Non O visa.

I beg to differ. 

 

My 1st non o visa was for 15 months, followed by yearly 1 year extensions.

 

I was actually still working abroad when I got my initial 15 month non o visa, but I got stuck in Thailand during covid and I couldn't get back to work. I lost my job because of that. 

 

So I used an agent, who got me a 15 month non o visa for retirement, even though I was actually still employed at that time!

 

Difficult to explain. 

 

I sought advice from an agent, because my employer was threatening me with unemployment. 

 

I did actually eventually get back to work, but the covid-19 situation became untenable, so I resigned. 

 

If you take a look at some of the other replies, a new non o visa based on retirement is for 15 months (90 day voa extension, with a further 1 year extension).

 

And that is what the visa agent that I use has told me today. 

 

You may be confused about applying for a non o visa in a Thailand embassy abroad, but it is slightly different when you apply for it when you in Thailand. 

 

I don't actually know, because I never applied for a non o visa from abroad. 

 

 

[JensenZ]

7 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

When will these topics on how to bribe an immigration officer cease to exit? 

When will people who don't have to rely on these agent services stop complaining in these threads and find better things to do with their spare time.

[Hamus Yaigh]

3 hours ago, Terry2905 said:

but was told by the city council that there was no accommodation available

Thanks for your interesting topic and I hope the visa extension works well for you. I am curious, not having been to UK so many many years, what is this city council accommodation you were hoping for - is this like a homeless peoples assistance?

 

I always thought one had to book in a hotel or bnb if one had no home to their name, but as you say you couldn't afford it?

 

Anyway best of luck.

[DrJack54]

8 minutes ago, Terry2905 said:

My 1st non o visa was for 15 months, followed by yearly 1 year extensions.

I give up.

Have posted links to threads and also few detailed explanations.

 

There NO such thing as a Non O visa for 15 months.

There is a non O that provides 90 day stamp

From that you can obtain a 12month extension.

BTW It does not extend your non O visa.

Rather it extends your permission of stay.

Your non O is used. 

It's a single entry visa.

 

Read some of the threads I posted to understand the procedure. 

Otherwise stop poor information 

[Terry2905]

5 minutes ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

Thanks for your interesting topic and I hope the visa extension works well for you. I am curious, not having been to UK so many many years, what is this city council accommodation you were hoping for - is this like a homeless peoples assistance?

 

I always thought one had to book in a hotel or bnb if one had no home to their name, but as you say you couldn't afford it?

 

Anyway best of luck.

Yes, I had expected to be given free boarding maybe in a cheap  b&b, and some money for essentials, as the many refugees get. 

 

The uk government is completely broken, when they turn their backs on uk citizens, who have paid NI contributions all their life, but give refugees a luxury lifestyle!

 

 

[Terry2905]

11 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

I give up.

Have posted links to threads and also few detailed explanations.

 

There NO such thing as a Non O visa for 15 months.

There is a non O that provides 90 day stamp

From that you can obtain a 12month extension.

BTW It does not extend your non O visa.

Rather it extends your permission of stay.

Your non O is used. 

It's a single entry visa.

 

Read some of the threads I posted to understand the procedure. 

Otherwise stop poor information 

I know it is complicated. 

 

I am not giving poor information. I  am stating the facts. 

 

I had a non o visa based on retirement, but when I left Thailand and did not have a re entry stamp, my original non o visa was cancelled. 

 

My visa agent told me that my visa, and extension to stay was automatically cancelled when I left Thailand without a re entry stamp. 

 

So they have applied for a 90 day extension of the 28 day voa, followed by a 1 year extension.

 

I am not giving false information. 

 

Take a look at some of the other replies, who say the same thing. 

 

Entry visa, followed by a 90 day extension, followed by a 1 year non o stamp based on retirement, giving an initial 15 month stay, followed by yearly extension. 

 

I know a lot more than you think I know, and I know about the "border bounce" system, but that is not the same thing. 

 

I am not giving misinformation. 

 

I am sharing my experience of already having a non o extension of stay, which got cancelled when I left Thailand without a re entry stamp. 

 

I did not know if I could get a 2nd non o visa based on retirement. 

 

Anyway, the agent seems to have it all in hand, with the usual brown envelope!

 

I have not seen your threads, but the thai immigration system is very complex. 

 

Of course I know the procedure. 

 

Seasoning of at least 800,000 baht in a thai bank for at least 3 months (90 days), and then get a yearly extension, equalling 15 months after arrival. 

 

Yes the agent uses the brown envelope to bypass the system. 

 

In reality, you arrive on a voa, with a 90 day extension, followed by an application for a non o visa application based on retirement. 

 

The agents pay to "fix" the dates!

 

I have no doubt that when I get my passport back, it will show my entry voa date, with a 90 day extension, followed by a 1 year non o visa stamp, exactly the same way as I originally got my non o retirement visa. 

 

 

[DrJack54]

1 minute ago, Terry2905 said:

So they have applied for a 90 day extension of the 28 day voa, followed by a 1 year extension.

Stop posting rubbish.

There is NO such thing as 90 day extension.

There is also NO such thing as VOA for UK citizens.

There is a visa exempt entry that provides 30 day stamp.

In that period you can obtain a Non O visa which provides a 90 day stamp.

In the last 30 days you can obtain a 12 month extension.

It's NOT a visa.

Geez 

[KannikaP]

5 hours ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

Who is bribing an immigration officer ?

 

What I see is someone who went to the U.K., forgot to get a re-entry permit and has now returned visa exempt, the agent has got him a 90 day non imm O visa ( which he could have got himself ) and he will get an extension, to his permission to stay, based on retirement.

 

Other than confusion over the terminology used I don’t see anything untoward here.

The visa agent did do the usual thing, deposited 800,000 baht and withdrew it the same day, which had worked in the past,

[Pattaya57]

1 hour ago, Terry2905 said:

I have no doubt that when I get my passport back, it will show my entry voa date, with a 90 day extension, followed by a 1 year non o visa stamp, exactly the same way as I originally got my non o retirement visa. 

No doubt that's what you believe you'll have. In reality you'll have a 30 day visa exempt stamp, followed by a 90 day non-imm O visa, followed by a 12 month extension stamp

 

Edited September 8, 2023 by Pattaya57