Yellowtail Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 48 minutes ago, stevenl said: Nonsense, it was. Same happened in many European countries, after their usefulness was finished the organisations that were forced to assist the Germans were rounded up themselves. Also don't forget that many of the people forced to assist the Germans were at the same time trying to help potential targets for the Germans to escape. Exactly, the left hates all religion. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: Netanyahu meets Biden for a cozy chat ( as seen on Al Jazeera ), while heavily armed Israeli forces continue to kill Palestinians in illegally occupied Palestine. Sadly, I doubt any help for the Palestinians will eventuate from Washington. Apparently the US political establishment still supports the irrelevant Two State solution which has been well and truly killed off long ago due to Israeli actions on the illegally occupied land. The two state solution was never an option because the Palestinians reject a two state solution , they want the land all for themselves . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 11 hours ago, Thorgal said: Ethnic German Jewish refugees were deported to concentration camps through collaboration between French Jewish and local organizations and the German occupier. Denying this is pure revisionism. Your distortion has been noticed. At the time , the Jewish groups in France would have been unaware of what was happening in concertation camps in Poland . The French Jewish groups also assisted the French resistance . You are trying to distort the reality by suggesting that French Jews were partially responsible for the Holocaust , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMojoRisin Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 21 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: The two state solution was never an option because the Palestinians reject a two state solution , they want the land all for themselves . Hardly surprising that the Palestinians would want to keep all of THEIR land. Can you name any country that would accept half their territory being appropriated? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMojoRisin Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Yellowtail said: Exactly, the left hates all religion. Is' called progress. There is a reason we no longer sacrifice virgins to placate volcanoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said: Hardly surprising that the Palestinians would want to keep all of THEIR land. Can you name any country that would accept half their territory being appropriated? American Indians ? Australian Aborigines ? (Although they would really like having just half their land for themselves) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMojoRisin Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Yellowtail said: No one said all Palestinians would send their kids out to get shot for publicity... ???????????? Look at you being subject to the same misrepresentation of your own words that those defending Israeli atrocities constantly apply to those with the temerity to question the legality and humanity of the ongoing oppression (and slaughter) of Palestinians being perpetrated by Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 11 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said: Hardly surprising that the Palestinians would want to keep all of THEIR land. Can you name any country that would accept half their territory being appropriated? So on principle, you agree that Israel should keep all THEIR land for themselves ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMojoRisin Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: American Indians ? Australian Aborigines ? (Although they would really like having just half their land for themselves) You are the most clueless poster in this thread. You cite genocide positively to support your argument Indigenous people both north and south were displaced, died of disease, and were killed by Europeans through slavery, rape, and war. In 1491, about 145 million people lived in the western hemisphere. By 1691, the population of indigenous Americans had declined by 90–95 percent, or by around 130 million people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMojoRisin Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: So on principle, you agree that Israel should keep all THEIR land for themselves ? Israel's stolen land. Yes, they should keep some of the land. As far as I'm concerned the only right that Israel has to exist is the fact that it exists - all other claims to the land are nonsense. Israel should never have been established, if the same conditions existed in today's world, there is no way Palestinian lands would just be divvied up by colonial powers. The land should be partitioned along the green line which means a significant loss to Israel of the current lands illegally under its control. None of this of course changes the fact that the Palestinians, at the time, were quite correct to accept the theft of their land. Edited September 21, 2023 by MrMojoRisin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said: You are the most clueless poster in this thread. You cite genocide positively to support your argument Indigenous people both north and south were displaced, died of disease, and were killed by Europeans through slavery, rape, and war. In 1491, about 145 million people lived in the western hemisphere. By 1691, the population of indigenous Americans had declined by 90–95 percent, or by around 130 million people. What point are you making by C&P ing the above paragraph ? Are you saying that Israel should have wiped the Palestinians out , like they did in the USA with American Indians ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMojoRisin Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: What point are you making by C&P ing the above paragraph ? Are you saying that Israel should have wiped the Palestinians out , like they did in the USA with American Indians ? You are the most clueless poster in this thread. I asked - Name another country that would accept half their country being appropriated. You responded - Native Americans and Aboriginal Australians These two peoples were taken to the edge of extinction by Western expansion and you cite them as examples of people who ACCEPTED the theft of their land. You are decidedly worse than legitimate antisemites. Edited September 21, 2023 by MrMojoRisin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said: Israel's stolen land. Yes, they should keep some of the land. As far as I'm concerned the only right that Israel has to exist is the fact that it exists - all other claims to the land are nonsense. Israel should never have been established, if the same conditions existed in today's world, there is no way Palestinian lands would just be divvied up by colonial powers. The land should be partitioned along the green line which means a significant loss to Israel of the current lands illegally under their control. None of this of course changes the fact that the Palestinians, at the time, were quite correct to accept the theft of their land. Why do you take such an interest in Israel ? How does Israel's existence effect you personally ? What is your opinion about West Papua seeking independence from Indonesia ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said: You are the most clueless poster in this thread. I asked - Name another country that would accept half their country being appropriated. You responded - Native Americans and Aboriginal Australians I know I did . You don't need to give me a running commentary of the discussion and telling me what I posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 54 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: The two state solution was never an option because the Palestinians reject a two state solution , they want the land all for themselves . Is there any evidence that Israel doesn't want the land all to itself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: I know I did . You don't need to give me a running commentary of the discussion and telling me what I posted No equivalence and you know it very well. Stop trolling. Make good faith arguments and support them properly. For example, your last post you make effort to support your claim. Nada, in words you might understand. Edited September 21, 2023 by ozimoron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMojoRisin Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: Why do you take such an interest in Israel ? How does Israel's existence effect you personally ? What is your opinion about West Papua seeking independence from Indonesia ? This thread is about Israel and Palestine. I have a pretty clear opinion - I was working in East Timor in 1999 when Australian peacekeepers (INTERFET) arrived. Kind of off topic though isn't it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said: These two peoples were taken to the edge of extinction by Western expansion and you cite them as examples of people who ACCEPTED the theft of their land. I was making the point that Israel didn't behave like the invaders of the USA and Australia did. Israel didn't slaughter all the Palestinians , had they done what the USA did who killed all the Indians , Israel wouldn't currently have a problem with the Palestinians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said: This thread is about Israel and Palestine. I have a pretty clear opinion - I was working in East Timor in 1999 when Australian peacekeepers (INTERFET) arrived. Kind of off topic though isn't it. Exactly what should happen in Palestine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said: This thread is about Israel and Palestine. I have a pretty clear opinion - I was working in East Timor in 1999 when Australian peacekeepers (INTERFET) arrived. Kind of off topic though isn't it. OK, so why do you take such a big interest in Israel ? You don't get many Israelis taking an interest in Aboriginal rights for a homeland in Australia What does Israel personally have to do with you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: OK, so why do you take such a big interest in Israel ? You don't get many Israelis taking an interest in Aboriginal rights for a homeland in Australia What does Israel personally have to do with you ? Why did you take an interest in Australian Aborigines? What does Australia personally have to do with you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Why did you take an interest in Australian Aborigines? What does Australia personally have to do with you? I don't have an interest in Australian Aborigines as they have nothing to do with me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Just now, Nick Carter icp said: I don't have an interest in Australian Aborigines as they have nothing to do with me You cited them as evidence in some spurious claim in a way which made no rational argument. Carry on.trolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, ozimoron said: You cited them as evidence in some spurious claim in a way which made no rational argument. Carry on.trolling. Another one giving a running commentary !!!!!!!! I was asking the question as to why you take such an interest in Palestinians and not some other group, like Aborigines for example or American Indians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: Another one giving a running commentary !!!!!!!! I was asking the question as to why you take such an interest in Palestinians and not some other group, like Aborigines for example or American Indians I can walk, talk and chew gum at the same time. Because I can. Should I be disinterested in the middle east because I've never been there? Isn't that the American way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, ozimoron said: I can walk, talk and chew gum at the same time. Because I can. Should I be disinterested in the middle east because I've never been there? Isn't that the American way? You should take an interest in World affairs . Which side of the Yemen civil war do you think should form the legitimate Government in Yemen ? Do you think that the Houthi forces should form the next Government ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Just now, Nick Carter icp said: You should take an interest in World affairs . Which side of the Yemen civil war do you think should form the legitimate Government in Yemen ? Do you think that the Houthi forces should form the next Government ? Hey, I've got an idea! Start a new thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 1 minute ago, ozimoron said: Hey, I've got an idea! Start a new thread! It wouldn't get any responses , because some people only seem to take an interest when it involves Israel . I am just wondering why some people just take an interest in Israel , wonder why that is ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: It wouldn't get any responses , because some people only seem to take an interest when it involves Israel . I am just wondering why some people just take an interest in Israel , wonder why that is ? Maybe because it's been a huge issue of international prominence since the second world war? Because they can? If you wouldn't get responses in a new thread why raise it here? Nobody took your bait so far. Edited September 21, 2023 by ozimoron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: It wouldn't get any responses , because some people only seem to take an interest when it involves Israel . I am just wondering why some people just take an interest in Israel , wonder why that is ? The answer starts with J and anyone denying that is full of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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