1 minute ago, LosLobo said:

No, I was thinking he was also a co-conspirator for the DC case but on closer examination not so.

OK. It's hard enough to keep track of what has happened without keeping track of what hasn't.

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Believe him at your own peril. Remember, truth is not truth. And nothing he says is in any way connected to reality. Add to that the fact that he can't negotiate his way out of a wet paper bag, and your boy is quite the choice. 

Not sure why he's 'my boy'.

I wouldn't vote for Trump, Biden, Karmala, Hillary or any of the lying, cheating, corrupt bunch.

I don't vote in the UK elections for the same reason, no suitable candidates!

 

Give me someone who promises to redistribute land and send the rich to re-education camps in Siberia, Alaska, The Orkney's, etc. and I'll start voting again.

Edited September 18, 20232 yr by BritManToo

27 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

There were enough evidence that Trump sat at his dinning table and watched the attack on TV from videotaped testimonies by White House aides and security staff discussing the events of the day. He not only watched the attacks, he also replayed parts that he like especially when his name was chanted by the mob. There are also audio tapes of his senior staff, close advisers and family members begging him to do something. All these evidences were on full display at the 8th hearing by the Select Committee. Mark's testimony will be icing on the cake.

Yes, I know that there is evidence already but Trump never explained why he didn't stop the violence.

 

Though the reason is obvious to all, that he was revelling in the violent attack and that this was his objective that day.

 

Edited September 18, 20232 yr by LosLobo

9 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

OK. It's hard enough to keep track of what has happened without keeping track of what hasn't.

I agree and I apologise for my faux pas.

 

I suggest with the constant flow of misinformation from Trump keeping track is nigh impossible.

37 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

There were enough evidence that Trump sat at his dinning table and watched the attack on TV from videotaped testimonies by White House aides and security staff discussing the events of the day. He not only watched the attacks, he also replayed parts that he like especially when his name was chanted by the mob. There are also audio tapes of his senior staff, close advisers and family members begging him to do something. All these evidences were on full display at the 8th hearing by the Select Committee. Mark's testimony will be icing on the cake.

REDUX

 

Jan. 6 Rioters Have Been Held to Account. That Might Be the Easy Part.

 

To be sure, none of the charges Mr. Trump is facing accuse him of encouraging or inspiring the violence at the Capitol. At worst, the Washington indictment claims that as chaos broke out at the building on Jan. 6, Mr. Trump “exploited the disruption” to further his goal of stopping the election certification.

 

The Justice Department spent considerable effort searching for links between the White House and the rioters and, at least so far, has never publicly established any direct ties between the boots and the suits. What remains to be seen is whether prosecutors find a way to bridge their inquiry into the Capitol attack to their investigation into Mr. Trump’s attempts to overturn his electoral defeat.

 

“We have the fraud charges and we have the seditious conspiracy charges,” said Daniel C. Richman, a former federal prosecutor and a law professor at Columbia University. “But what we don’t yet have is any link between the two beyond vague inferences and thoughts.”

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/06/us/politics/enrique-tarrio-trump-jan-6.html

 

https://archive.ph/FXeXh

 

 

8 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

I agree and I apologise for my faux pas.

 

I suggest with the constant flow of misinformation from Trump keeping track is nigh impossible.

No problem.

1 hour ago, jerrymahoney said:

REDUX

 

Jan. 6 Rioters Have Been Held to Account. That Might Be the Easy Part.

 

To be sure, none of the charges Mr. Trump is facing accuse him of encouraging or inspiring the violence at the Capitol. At worst, the Washington indictment claims that as chaos broke out at the building on Jan. 6, Mr. Trump “exploited the disruption” to further his goal of stopping the election certification.

 

The Justice Department spent considerable effort searching for links between the White House and the rioters and, at least so far, has never publicly established any direct ties between the boots and the suits. What remains to be seen is whether prosecutors find a way to bridge their inquiry into the Capitol attack to their investigation into Mr. Trump’s attempts to overturn his electoral defeat.

 

“We have the fraud charges and we have the seditious conspiracy charges,” said Daniel C. Richman, a former federal prosecutor and a law professor at Columbia University. “But what we don’t yet have is any link between the two beyond vague inferences and thoughts.”

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/06/us/politics/enrique-tarrio-trump-jan-6.html

 

https://archive.ph/FXeXh

 

 

Oh no, he’s going to get away with it all.

11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oh no, he’s going to get away with it all.

He might; then again, he might not.

2 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

He might; then again, he might not.

Meanwhile scaremongering that he might drives online traffic to media outlets struggling for revenue.

 

Former President Donald Trump delivered a laundry list of his familiar election lies and other false claims – plus some new falsehoods on subjects ranging from abortion laws to his policy on dealing with drug cartels – in an interview that aired Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/17/politics/fact-check-donald-trump/index.html

 

22 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Meanwhile scaremongering that he might drives online traffic to media outlets struggling for revenue.

The New York Times
A New York City-based newspaper since 1851

The New York Times is America's newspaper of record and is published by A.G. Sulzberger.

 

https://www.mediamatters.org/new-york-times

 

And the home of Maggie Haberman, Trump's media enemy #1.

 

New York Times Revenue Rises 6.3%

Aug. 8, 2023

 

The company added 180,000 new digital subscribers in the latest quarter, and now has nearly 10 million subscribers in total.

 

The New York Times added 180,000 new digital subscribers in its second quarter, the company said on Tuesday, bringing its total close to 10 million subscribers.

 

The company reported adjusted operating profit of $92.2 million for the three months that ended in June, up from $76.2 million in the same period last year. The company reported total revenue of $590.9 million, a 6.3 percent increase from a year earlier.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/08/business/media/new-york-times-q2-earnings.html

Edited September 18, 20232 yr by jerrymahoney

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

How can any sane person believe anything a politician says?

Yet you believe Trump.

 

15 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Meanwhile scaremongering that he might drives online traffic to media outlets struggling for revenue.

Can you give some examples of this "scaremongering" from news sources?  Not pundits or opinion pieces, but actual news reports?

5 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Can you give some examples of this "scaremongering" from news sources?  Not pundits or opinion pieces, but actual news reports?

Any that amplify Trump’s attempts to avoid Justice without explaining the actual likelihood of his attempts failing.

 

Examples being attempts to delay trials, replace judges etc.

 

Trump keeps losing, but the media play up ‘he might win’ with his spurious and weak court filings, without explaining how unlikely a Trump win is.

 

 

 

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Obviously you don’t like the topic of discussion.

It seems that right-wing media are also starting to find Trump embarrassing. No headline about the interview on the Washington Examiner website, and a rather critical article with a small headline on the NYPost website:

 

Legal experts that have been publicly critical of Trump pounced on that segment of the wide-ranging interview.

“Trump just threw his whole ‘following my lawyers’ advice’ defense under the bus. No, let me correct that: — not just under the bus but under a roaring, speeding, ginormous freight train . . . .,” Harvard University professor emeritus Laurence Tribe posted on X, formerly Twitter.

“And here is where Trump loses his defense that he relied on his lawyers,” attorney and former Rep. Barbara Comstock (R-Va.) said.

https://nypost.com/2023/09/17/trump-it-was-my-decision-to-believe-2020-election-was-rigged/

Edited September 18, 20232 yr by candide

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Any that amplify Trump’s attempts to avoid Justice without explaining the actual likelihood of his attempts failing.

 

Examples being attempts to delay trials, replace judges etc.

 

Trump keeps losing, but the media play up ‘he might win’ with his spurious and weak court filings, without explaining how unlikely a Trump win is.

Actually Trump and his lawyers are very good at delay, and justice delayed is justice denied.  In that regard there is a real chance he might "win", either by dying before being convicted or, God help us, getting re-elected.  Reporting on this is legitimate news.

 

Trump should be convicted of many crimes, but....

35 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Meanwhile scaremongering that he might drives online traffic to media outlets struggling for revenue.

There's a lot of it about now.

8 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Trump should be convicted of many crimes, but....

Yes. And likely he will. But until  there is an actual trial and verdict, unexpected things can happen.

13 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Doesn't matter one way or the other, if he looks like winning, they'll just print a few more mail ballots.

Not even 2 election forensic teams hired by Trump's campaign backed the kind of nonsense you're asserting.

10 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

The New York Times
A New York City-based newspaper since 1851

The New York Times is America's newspaper of record and is published by A.G. Sulzberger.

 

https://www.mediamatters.org/new-york-times

 

And the home of Maggie Haberman, Trump's media enemy #1.

 

New York Times Revenue Rises 6.3%

Aug. 8, 2023

 

The company added 180,000 new digital subscribers in the latest quarter, and now has nearly 10 million subscribers in total.

 

The New York Times added 180,000 new digital subscribers in its second quarter, the company said on Tuesday, bringing its total close to 10 million subscribers.

 

The company reported adjusted operating profit of $92.2 million for the three months that ended in June, up from $76.2 million in the same period last year. The company reported total revenue of $590.9 million, a 6.3 percent increase from a year earlier.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/08/business/media/new-york-times-q2-earnings.html

You kind of give your political bias away with comments like this:

"And the home of Maggie Haberman, Trump's media enemy #1."

Edited September 18, 20232 yr by placeholder

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

You kind of give your political bias away with comments like this:

"And the home of Maggie Haberman, Trump's media enemy #1."

Oh. So I have outed myself.

 

Which way?

Edited September 18, 20232 yr by jerrymahoney

48 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Oh. So I have outed myself.

 

Which way?

First off, by calling Maggie Haberman Trump's number 1 enemy.  What about Maggie Haberman makes a reporter doing her job Trump's number 1 enemy? 

And you followed a general explanatory reference about the NY Times with that factoid.

13 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What about Maggie Haberman makes a reporter doing her job Trump's number 1 enemy? 

Maybe the name of her best-selling book: Confidence Man: The Making of Donald Trump and the Breaking of America

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_Man:_The_Making_of_Donald_Trump_and_the_Breaking_of_America

43 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Maybe the name of her best-selling book: Confidence Man: The Making of Donald Trump and the Breaking of America

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_Man:_The_Making_of_Donald_Trump_and_the_Breaking_of_America

Was it dishonest reporting? Did that make her Donald Trump's enemy, number 1 or otherwise? Probably in his eyes but does that make it so?

More importantly, why do you think it's salient to characterize the NY Times based on its employment of 1 reporter.

11 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Was it dishonest reporting? Did that make her Donald Trump's enemy, number 1 or otherwise? Probably in his eyes but does that make it so?

More importantly, why do you think it's salient to characterize the NY Times based on its employment of 1 reporter.

Wow. 4 questions in the same post. Thanks, Mr. Interrogatory.

Edited September 18, 20232 yr by jerrymahoney

Just now, jerrymahoney said:

Wow. 3 questions in the same post. Thanks, Mr. Interrogatory.

Thank you for elucidating the form those sentences take. If we were in primary school I'd give you an "A". But the issue here isn't what forms the sentences take but do what do you have to offer in the way of a germane response? (no need for you to point out that this final sentence sentence is a question, also).

20 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Whereas Biden can't even read his script.

Can't believe how many folks favour one old fool over another old fool.

Wake up and stop voting for all the corrupt greedy puppets!

Well said.  Should have an age limit for any Presidential candidate.  I suggest 65, with no exceptions.  They adhere to this in some corporations  We don’t need cognitive decline in the White House.

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

But the issue here isn't what forms the sentences take but do what do you have to offer in the way of a germane response?

None.

22 hours ago, 2baht said:

And still they follow him! ????

And he still occupies your collective minds... 55555

Just now, Skipalongcassidy said:

And he still occupies your collective minds... 55555

Just love him! ????