This spring, as the Republican presidential primary race was just beginning, the Democratic National Committee commissioned polling on how the leading Republicans — Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis — fared against President Joe Biden in battleground states.

But now, as Trump’s lead in the primary has grown and hardened, the party has dropped DeSantis from such hypothetical matchups. And the Biden campaign’s polling on Republican candidates is now directed squarely at Trump, according to officials familiar with the surveys.

The sharpened focus on Trump isn’t happening only behind the scenes. Facing waves of polls showing soft support for his reelection among Democrats, Biden and his advisers signaled this week that they were beginning to turn their full attention to his old rival, seeking to reenergize the party’s base and activate donors before what is expected to be a long and grueling sequel.

 

On Sunday, after Trump sought to muddy the waters on his position on abortion, the Biden operation and its surrogates pushed back with uncommon intensity. On Monday, Biden told donors at a New York fundraiser that Trump was out to “destroy” American democracy, in some of his most forceful language so far about the implications of a second Trump term. And on Wednesday, as the president spoke to donors at a Manhattan hotel, he acknowledged in the most explicit way yet that he now expected to be running against “the same fella.”

And on Friday, Biden announced plans to join striking autoworkers on the picket line in Michigan next week — one day before Trump visits the state.

 

FULL STORY

 

The next US election will be a contest between democracy and authoritarianism / fascism.

50 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

The next US election will be a contest between democracy and authoritarianism / fascism.

I’m afraid it will be so,scary times

1 hour ago, Social Media said:

On Monday, Biden told donors at a New York fundraiser that Trump was out to “destroy” American democracy, in some of his most forceful language so far about the implications of a second Trump term.

He must be really terrified that Trump will win, and is probably right to think so.

 

1 hour ago, Social Media said:

Facing waves of polls showing soft support for his reelection among Democrats,

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

The next US election will be a contest between democracy and authoritarianism / fascism.

It will be a contest between the wokes and the "our own people first" party

2 hours ago, Social Media said:

And on Friday, Biden announced plans to join striking autoworkers on the picket line in Michigan next week — one day before Trump visits the state.

Must get pretty desperate, hope they give him a cheat sheet where he can look at to be reminded what they are striking for.

2 minutes ago, BenStark said:

It will be a contest between the wokes and the "our own people first" party

Time they woke up! I woke up at 5.00am!

9 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

He must be really terrified that Trump will win, and is probably right to think so.

 

Once a few convictions happen and sane people realise that it isn't just a weaponised DoJ then we;ll see his poll numbers decline rapidly and financial support evaporate. Remember also that Fox News isn't on his side this time. Imagine if they supported Biden? It wouldn't sway the cult but the rusted on fox viewers might.

28 minutes ago, BenStark said:

It will be a contest between the wokes and the "our own people first" party

I propose a new rule:  You can't use "woke" unless you can provide a generally accepted definition of the word.

 

The only generally accepted definition I know of is as the past tense of "wake".  Using that definition, and sense I prefer important decisions be made by people who are awake, I want the woke people to win.

4 hours ago, Social Media said:

And on Friday, Biden announced plans to join striking autoworkers on the picket line in Michigan next week — one day before Trump visits the state.

Biden always a step ahead of Trump.

Trump can forget about joining the striking autoworkers with his faux support. 

“ Every fiber of our union is being poured into fighting the billionaire class and an economy that enriches people like Donald Trump at the expense of workers,” UAW President Shawn Fain said.

2 hours ago, BenStark said:

It will be a contest between the wokes and the "our own people first" party

I'm woke. Misuse it as a slur anytime you like. You display your own illiteracy is all.

The slime that keeps on giving

 

Donald Trump has said that American autoworkers will be "toast" unless the United Auto Workers (UAW) union, which announced an expansion of its ongoing strike on Friday, endorses him ahead of next year's presidential election.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-says-uaw-workers-toast-unless-leadership-endorses-him-1829332

19 hours ago, BenStark said:

Must get pretty desperate, hope they give him a cheat sheet where he can look at to be reminded what they are striking for.

When he was talking in the meeting with Zelenski he didn't even try to hide that he was reading directly off the speech he was holding.

 

I'd say his going to meet the strikers is because he's afraid they might vote for Trump.

I don't believe he cares about actual workers given one of the first things he did as POTUS was to cancel the XL pipeline with the loss of every worker's job ( and it's not as though he's ever done any real work himself since he went into politics a very long time ago ).

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

When he was talking in the meeting with Zelenski he didn't even try to hide that he was reading directly off the speech he was holding.

 

I'd say his going to meet the strikers is because he's afraid they might vote for Trump.

I don't believe he cares about actual workers given one of the first things he did as POTUS was to cancel the XL pipeline with the loss of every worker's job ( and it's not as though he's ever done any real work himself since he went into politics a very long time ago ).

All world leaders pre prepare speeches to make sure they say what they want to say. The last thing we should want is for a president to go off script other than for jokes and quips.

On 9/23/2023 at 11:18 AM, heybruce said:

I propose a new rule:  You can't use "woke" unless you can provide a generally accepted definition of the word.

 

The only generally accepted definition I know of is as the past tense of "wake".  Using that definition, and sense I prefer important decisions be made by people who are awake, I want the woke people to win.

Agree.  I doubt these people using the word "woke" even know what it means.  It's kind of idiotic to throw around words and phrases that they don't even understand.  But I get it, it's a MAGA thing. 

33 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Agree.  I doubt these people using the word "woke" even know what it means.  It's kind of idiotic to throw around words and phrases that they don't even understand.  But I get it, it's a MAGA thing. 

Google Peter Boghossian. 

2 hours ago, Berkshire said:

Agree.  I doubt these people using the word "woke" even know what it means.  It's kind of idiotic to throw around words and phrases that they don't even understand.  But I get it, it's a MAGA thing. 

Pot

Kettle

Black.

 

As if you know what MAGA means.

 

On 9/23/2023 at 7:14 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

When he was talking in the meeting with Zelenski he didn't even try to hide that he was reading directly off the speech he was holding.

 

I'd say his going to meet the strikers is because he's afraid they might vote for Trump.

I don't believe he cares about actual workers given one of the first things he did as POTUS was to cancel the XL pipeline with the loss of every worker's job ( and it's not as though he's ever done any real work himself since he went into politics a very long time ago ).

Far more jobs, both temporary and permanent, are being created by Biden's infrastructure bill than would have been created by building the XL pipeline.

57 minutes ago, impulse said:

Pot

Kettle

Black.

 

As if you know what MAGA means.

 

For a crowd that use MAGA as an insult to the right, they can hardly complain when they are accused of being woke.

While there may not be a defined meaning, it's pretty obvious it's used in the same way as MAGA.

 

Much in the way "gay" got hijacked by homosexuals to mean something it actually had no relevance to.

2 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

Google Peter Boghossian. 

I did just that.

"He stated that any of the Republican candidates for the 2016 presidential election "would be an unmitigated disaster".^[21] ... He has stated that the US Republican Party is "the most powerful, anti-science political movement in the world". He wrote that it was "not alarmist" to state that they "could destroy the world" since many "refuse to even acknowledge that climate change is happening", and stated that their "denialist attitude is due partly to the religious convictions".^[23]"

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Boghossian

10 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

For a crowd that use MAGA as an insult to the right, they can hardly complain when they are accused of being woke.

While there may not be a defined meaning, it's pretty obvious it's used in the same way as MAGA.

 

Much in the way "gay" got hijacked by homosexuals to mean something it actually had no relevance to.

You neglect that the Republicans have split themselves between the more normal right and the maga crowd

 

7 ways MAGA Republicans differ from other Republicans

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/08/22/maga-republicans-analysis/

https://archive.ph/dhrWo

I can't believe anyone admits to using WaPo and Wikipedia as definitive sources.

3 minutes ago, impulse said:

I can't believe anyone admits to using WaPo and Wikipedia as definitive sources.

Enlighten us. Have you followed the links in those sources?

Edited September 25, 20232 yr by Bkk Brian

50 minutes ago, impulse said:

I can't believe anyone admits to using WaPo and Wikipedia as definitive sources.

Would you care to offer your infallible news sources?

 

I didn't think so.

5 hours ago, impulse said:

I can't believe anyone admits to using WaPo and Wikipedia as definitive sources.

If you think they're not credible sources, you should take it up with the moderators. 

4 hours ago, heybruce said:

Would you care to offer your infallible news sources?

 

I didn't think so.

Wikipedia is a particularly strong source since it offers footnotes. But, apparently, there are lots of folks out there who don't understand what footnotes are or how they work.

6 hours ago, impulse said:

I can't believe anyone admits to using WaPo and Wikipedia as definitive sources.

Not using Wikipedia is like not using encyclopedia brittanica. Did you know it's not leftie controlled by some hidden club?

He's not even hiding being fascist

 

They are almost all dishonest and corrupt, but Comcast, with its one-side and vicious coverage by NBC NEWS, and in particular MSNBC, often and correctly referred to as MSDNC (Democrat National Committee!), should be investigated for its ‘Country Threatening Treason,” Trump wrote in a Truth Social post Sunday.

 

Trump pledges to investigate MSNBC parent company for ‘threatening treason’

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-pledges-investigate-msnbc-parent-125418602.html

3 hours ago, candide said:

He's not even hiding being fascist

 

They are almost all dishonest and corrupt, but Comcast, with its one-side and vicious coverage by NBC NEWS, and in particular MSNBC, often and correctly referred to as MSDNC (Democrat National Committee!), should be investigated for its ‘Country Threatening Treason,” Trump wrote in a Truth Social post Sunday.

 

Trump pledges to investigate MSNBC parent company for ‘threatening treason’

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-pledges-investigate-msnbc-parent-125418602.html

Perhaps the most importing rule for a successful dictator is to control the press, either through intimidation, regulation, or having allies buy every news outlet in the country (what has been done in Russia and Hungary).  Trump's trying for intimidation, but will happily use regulation if given the chance.

6 hours ago, placeholder said:

Wikipedia is a particularly strong source since it offers footnotes. But, apparently, there are lots of folks out there who don't understand what footnotes are or how they work.

How's this for a definitive news source?  Western Journal, about as fair and balanced as WaPo:

 

Ex-Wikipedia Co-Founder Says Site Hijacked by US Intelligence for 'Info Warfare'

 

By the time of the Trump administration, Wikipedia’s perceived bias had intensified, and Sanger claimed that “no encyclopedia to my knowledge has been as biased as Wikipedia has been.”

 

https://www.westernjournal.com/alert-ex-wikipedia-co-founder-says-site-hijacked-us-intelligence-info-warfare/

Edited September 25, 20232 yr by impulse