Premchai Admired But Thaksin Condemned: Ex-MP

[Liverpool Lou]

4 hours ago, Cabradelmar said:

here you go... one example of Thailand's failure to enforce the rule of law consistently...  the case of the Red Bull heir. Hitting and killing a police officer then fleeing the scene to later be apprehended but yet never prosecuted for his crime, and now living freely abroad. 

Not a good example, at all, or, at least, not a good understanding of it.   He was arrested, charged and bailed for the traffic accident, and is subject to prosecution right now, all that is perfectly normal.

He left Thailand before an arrest warrant was issued for him and, at the request of the RTP, Interpol issued a Red Notice (you may need to research what the implications of that are).  He is not exactly "living freely abroad", he is a wanted fugitive, unfortunately out of the reach of the Thai authorities but he could be detained at any time if any of the member police forces of Interpol decide to co-operate with Thailand's request and do so.  

[Liverpool Lou]

4 hours ago, Cabradelmar said:

The use of arbitrary detention and torture by police (Ferrari Joe was the posted child for this type of activity; just one of many examples over the years)

As bad as the outcome of that was, it was not an example of "arbitrary detention", that drug dealer had been arrested legally (until he was killed).  

 

"Ferrari Joe was the posted child..."

Was he?  What's a "posted child", then!?

 

I think that it is you who needs to do some reading.

 

[Cabradelmar]

14 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Not a good example, at all, or, at least, not a good understanding of it.   He was arrested, charged and bailed for the traffic accident, and is subject to prosecution right now, all that is perfectly normal.

He left Thailand before an arrest warrant was issued for him and, at the request of the RTP, Interpol issued a Red Notice (you may need to research what the implications of that are).  He is not exactly "living freely abroad", he is a wanted fugitive, unfortunately out of the reach of the Thai authorities but he could be detained at any time if any of the member police forces of Interpol decide to co-operate with Thailand's request and do so.  

You can't really be that obtuse. He was able to avoid punishment because of who he is (as an elite). And he is not the only one. The text book definition of the rule of law is "no one is above the law."  What is your assessment of the current state of the rule of law in Thailand? Dazzle me with your acumen. 

[Cabradelmar]

14 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

As bad as the outcome of that was, it was not an example of "arbitrary detention", that drug dealer had been arrested legally (until he was killed).  

 

"Ferrari Joe was the posted child..."

Was he?  What's a "posted child", then!?

 

I think that it is you who needs to do some reading.

 

You can't be serious. Illegal police detention and torture are text book failures of the rule of law. Human Rights Watch (HRW) has documented numerous cases of police in Thailand illegally detaining and torturing people.

 

Here are more examples (since you live examples) of police brutality in Thailand:

• In 2020, police arrested a 17-year-old boy for allegedly stealing a motorcycle. They took him to a police station and beat him severely, using their fists, feet, and a baton. The boy was hospitalized for his injuries.
• In 2019, police arrested a 23-year-old man for allegedly using drugs. They took him to a police station and beat him with a baton for over an hour. The man was also subjected to electric shocks.
• In 2018, police arrested a 35-year-old man for allegedly selling drugs. They took him to a police station and beat him to death.

And police frequently target poor and marginalized people, such as drug users. You don't see them doing this to elites though, do you.

 

In addition to the cases cited, there are a number of other reports of police in Thailand illegally detaining and torturing people. In 2020, the Thai Lawyers for Human Rights group released a report documenting 127 cases of police brutality between 2014 and 2019 alone.

 

I can't (nor do I want to) teach you anything about the rule of law in Thailand, I can only make you think. But if you think you already know everything, you'll never learn anything. 

[Liverpool Lou]

3 hours ago, Cabradelmar said:

You can't really be that obtuse. He was able to avoid punishment because of who he is (as an elite).

No, that's not correct, he has not even appeared in court because he left the country before a warrant was issued so, as yet, he is not, legally, due any punishment.  You know that rule of law, the presumption of innocence?   As soon as he reappears in Thailand (pre 2027) he will be arrested and prosecuted, as per the outstanding warrant.

[Liverpool Lou]

3 hours ago, Cabradelmar said:

18 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

As bad as the outcome of that was, it was not an example of "arbitrary detention", that drug dealer had been arrested legally (until he was killed).  

 

"Ferrari Joe was the posted child..."

Was he?  What's a "posted child", then!?

 

I think that it is you who needs to do some reading.

 

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You can't be serious. Illegal police detention and torture are text book failures of the rule of law.

That case that you brought up was not an illegal detention.  The killing was illegal but the initial arrest of the drug dealer was not.

[Liverpool Lou]

3 hours ago, Cabradelmar said:

I can't (nor do I want to) teach you anything about the rule of law in Thailand, I can only make you think.

"I can only make you think".

Really?  You're a bit full of yourself!  Nothing that you say here requires my subsequent thinking about it.

[Huckenfell]

On 10/19/2023 at 1:55 PM, Dogmatix said:

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Oh hell! all that and no female company.

Edited November 26, 2023 by Huckenfell