January 10, 2024 / 5:15 PM EST / CBS News

Twenty million Americans signed up for affordable health insurance for 2024, breaking an enrollment record under the Affordable Care Act for the third consecutive year, the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services announced Wednesday.

"With six days left to still get covered, 8 million more Americans have signed up for ACA coverage than when I took office," President Biden said in a statement on Wednesday, adding that most enrollees will be eligible to select a plan that could cost just $10 a month — or even less.

Mr. Biden also slammed Republicans who have blocked efforts to "build upon this progress and make these lower health care premiums permanent," alleging that the GOP's healthcare plan would raise healthcare costs for millions — specifically for elderly Americans and small business owners.

 https://www.cbsnews.com/news/affordable-care-act-record-enrollment-20-million-americans-2024/

Americans are very fortunate to have their govt looking out for them.

 

Unlimited opportunities to work, ACA, 401K, govt pensions when retire. Yes taxes have to be paid (and there are generous breaks) but later in life no one is left behind.

 

No wonder the rest of the world are trying to move there.

Socialized medicine for the deadbeats of society. Besides mimicking some of Lenin’s policy strategies, Obama also has adopted Karl Marx’s strategies for gradually socializing an economy including socialized medicine.

3 minutes ago, Keep Right said:

Socialized medicine for the deadbeats of society. Besides mimicking some of Lenin’s policy strategies, Obama also has adopted Karl Marx’s strategies for gradually socializing an economy including socialized medicine.

Because the US medical system has been such a resounding success?

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2021/aug/mirror-mirror-2021-reflecting-poorly

I'm not sure bragging that a record number of Americans now need gub'ment help to pay their medical bills is something I'd be running on...

 

37 minutes ago, impulse said:

I'm not sure bragging that a record number of Americans now need gub'ment help to pay their medical bills is something I'd be running on...

 

Well, it's better than defending the fact that little help would  forthcoming for that 20 million if the other major political party had its way . Of course, in most developed nations, all citizens are eligible for government supported health care. Their incomes have nothing to do with it. 

14 hours ago, Keep Right said:

Socialized medicine for the deadbeats of society. Besides mimicking some of Lenin’s policy strategies, Obama also has adopted Karl Marx’s strategies for gradually socializing an economy including socialized medicine.

Aren't all government services--defense, justice, transportation, education, etc.--socialism?

5 hours ago, heybruce said:

Aren't all government services--defense, justice, transportation, education, etc.--socialism?

The difference is that some of those social programs amount to pooling everyone's money for projects that benefit everyone, and some of them amount to flagrantly taking money from one group and giving it to someone else. 

 

Basically, voting yourself money from the treasury.

 

At least they stopped penalizing people without Insurance.

 

You will do as you're told, because I (we the government) knows what's best for you.  If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. Ole obama basically said I lied because I know better than you, what's best for you.

9 hours ago, impulse said:

The difference is that some of those social programs amount to pooling everyone's money for projects that benefit everyone, and some of them amount to flagrantly taking money from one group and giving it to someone else. 

 

Basically, voting yourself money from the treasury.

 

In a way, you have a point. Healthcare should be universally funded by the government as it is in most developed Nations. And how does your thesis fit in with the fact that when ObamaCare Medicaid was up for a vote by referendum in Republican states, it won every time.

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7 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

At least they stopped penalizing people without Insurance.

 

You will do as you're told, because I (we the government) knows what's best for you.  If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. Ole obama basically said I lied because I know better than you, what's best for you.

Living in the past much? Maybe you're still bothered by whayObama said, but given the huge turnout for Obamacare and the embrace of other reforms due to Obamacare, it looks like you're part of a very sulky minority.

Of course, what's most likely going on is that you resent the success of Obamacare and it's popularity. Did you notice that every Republican state where the adoption of Obamacare M was voted on by referendum, it won every time?

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

In a way, you have a point. Healthcare should be universally funded by the government as it is in most developed Nations. And how does your thesis fit in with the fact that when ObamaCare Medicaid was up for a vote by referendum in Republican states, it won every time.

 

I am 100% behind universal care, funded by public money.  Everyone gets it.  (Edit:  Every legal resident)  But limited to non-elective treatment.  No boob jobs.  No liposuction.  No boner pills.  No hair plugs.  If you want those, buy supplementary coverage or come out of your own piggy bank.

 

But...  1) It'll never happen because corporate money won't let it.  Big business is too happy that their employees can't quit and pursue their dreams because they can't afford healthcare outside of employee benefits.  Big Pharma won't let it happen because they'll have to actually negotiate prices.

 

2) I don't trust our gub'ment to manage the program.  We'll end up with a mess where it takes a year for an appointment and kids will be entitled to free sex changes.

 

With the current state of things, I know families that are bankrupt because they didn't qualify for ACA but don't make near enough to afford insurance and eat the same week.  That well and truly stinks.

 

We're not as far apart as I often make it sound...

 

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Medical care gets worse and costs more every year, woo-hoo! 

On 1/11/2024 at 11:39 AM, Keep Right said:

Socialized medicine for the deadbeats of society. Besides mimicking some of Lenin’s policy strategies, Obama also has adopted Karl Marx’s strategies for gradually socializing an economy including socialized medicine.

 

dude, ONE of the reasons many are broke, or deadbeats as you say, is because they, or family, have been ruined by this unfair medical establishment in the states that overcharges for everything from treatment to medication. nothin top do with lenin when a loved one is dying of cancer without treatment, or morphine/pain killers.

 

have you ever seen anyone terminal? skin and bones doesnt describe it. everyone should be entitled to basic amenities and the right to treatment is one of them

2 minutes ago, Pouatchee said:

 

dude, ONE of the reasons many are broke, or deadbeats as you say, is because they, or family, have been ruined by this unfair medical establishment in the states that overcharges for everything from treatment to medication. nothin top do with lenin when a loved one is dying of cancer without treatment, or morphine/pain killers.

 

have you ever seen anyone terminal? skin and bones doesnt describe it. everyone should be entitled to basic amenities and the right to treatment is one of them

That's hilarious

55 minutes ago, impulse said:

With the current state of things, I know families that are bankrupt because they didn't qualify for ACA but don't make near enough to afford insurance and eat the same week.  That well and truly stinks.

 

"66.5% of [U.S.] bankruptcies are caused directly by medical expenses, making it the leading cause for bankruptcy."

 

"17% of adults with health care debt declared bankruptcy or lost their home because of it."

 

"40% of Americans fear they won’t be able to afford health care in the upcoming year."

 

https://www.retireguide.com/retirement-planning/risks/medical-bankruptcy-statistics/

 

The U.S. health care system is broken in practical terms for many Americans. The Commonwealth Fund rankings for health care among western countries that @placeholder posted above tell the story.

 

The ACA program is at least a partial attempt at trying to make U.S. healthcare more accessible and affordable.

 

1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

I am 100% behind universal care, funded by public money.  Everyone gets it.  (Edit:  Every legal resident)  But limited to non-elective treatment.  No boob jobs.  No liposuction.  No boner pills.  No hair plugs.  If you want those, buy supplementary coverage or come out of your own piggy bank.

 

But...  1) It'll never happen because corporate money won't let it.  Big business is too happy that their employees can't quit and pursue their dreams because they can't afford healthcare outside of employee benefits.  Big Pharma won't let it happen because they'll have to actually negotiate prices.

 

2) I don't trust our gub'ment to manage the program.  We'll end up with a mess where it takes a year for an appointment and kids will be entitled to free sex changes.

 

With the current state of things, I know families that are bankrupt because they didn't qualify for ACA but don't make near enough to afford insurance and eat the same week.  That well and truly stinks.

 

We're not as far apart as I often make it sound...

 

And you should really try to keep up to date about the cost of purchasing insurance under Obamacare. Thanks to Biden, support for payments has been greatly increased.

46 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

That's hilarious

 

a bit of a vague comment. care to elaborate?

19 hours ago, impulse said:

The difference is that some of those social programs amount to pooling everyone's money for projects that benefit everyone, and some of them amount to flagrantly taking money from one group and giving it to someone else. 

 

Basically, voting yourself money from the treasury.

 

The education system primarily benefits those getting educated, but also benefits the economy by providing a skilled workforce.  The transportation system primarily benefits those who travel but also benefits the economy by facilitating trade.  Healthcare primarily benefits those receiving the care, but also benefits the economy by keeping the workforce working and preventing epidemics (for those who have the good sense to take advantage of health care when available).

 

Tax breaks for people buying mansions and second homes, agricultural subsidies that go primarily to big agribusinesses, local governments paying for expensive sports facilities to accommodate billionaire team owners, and things of this nature are socialism for the rich.  I'm opposed to them, but not to healthcare.

On 1/12/2024 at 7:39 PM, impulse said:

 

I am 100% behind universal care, funded by public money.  Everyone gets it.  (Edit:  Every legal resident)  But limited to non-elective treatment.  No boob jobs.  No liposuction.  No boner pills.  No hair plugs.  If you want those, buy supplementary coverage or come out of your own piggy bank.

 

But...  1) It'll never happen because corporate money won't let it.  Big business is too happy that their employees can't quit and pursue their dreams because they can't afford healthcare outside of employee benefits.  Big Pharma won't let it happen because they'll have to actually negotiate prices.

 

2) I don't trust our gub'ment to manage the program.  We'll end up with a mess where it takes a year for an appointment and kids will be entitled to free sex changes.

 

With the current state of things, I know families that are bankrupt because they didn't qualify for ACA but don't make near enough to afford insurance and eat the same week.  That well and truly stinks.

 

We're not as far apart as I often make it sound...

 

Remove paragraph 2) and we are in near full agreement.

 

I’d replace paragraph 2) with issues around the pharmaceutical industry and insurance industry influence over Government health policies.

 

The overpricing of insulin, now dealt with by Biden, being a prime example.

 

How we get to discuss the provision of such a basic human need like health care in terms of Marxism and Communism without addressing corporate greed and corruption is a mystery.

36 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

How we get to discuss the provision of such a basic human need like health care in terms of Marxism and Communism without addressing corporate greed and corruption is a mystery.

 

It's an intractable problem, because the very people who could solve it are the ones benefitting from the way things are.

 

IMO, the solutions are term limits, campaign finance reforms, and stop shielding the real people that are behind corporate malfeasance.  But good luck with that.  Too much money going the other way.

 

7 hours ago, impulse said:

 

It's an intractable problem, because the very people who could solve it are the ones benefitting from the way things are.

 

IMO, the solutions are term limits, campaign finance reforms, and stop shielding the real people that are behind corporate malfeasance.  But good luck with that.  Too much money going the other way.

 

Legislate to negate the perversely named ‘Citizens United Ruling’.

 

Make it only living citizens who can donate to political parties and outlaw all other donations 

 

But as you say, the beneficiaries are unlikely to do that.Or at least most of them.

 

We seldom get to hear about the representatives who do support ending citizens united.

On 1/13/2024 at 3:27 AM, heybruce said:

The education system primarily benefits those getting educated, but also benefits the economy by providing a skilled workforce.  The transportation system primarily benefits those who travel but also benefits the economy by facilitating trade.  Healthcare primarily benefits those receiving the care, but also benefits the economy by keeping the workforce working and preventing epidemics (for those who have the good sense to take advantage of health care when available).

 

Tax breaks for people buying mansions and second homes, agricultural subsidies that go primarily to big agribusinesses, local governments paying for expensive sports facilities to accommodate billionaire team owners, and things of this nature are socialism for the rich.  I'm opposed to them, but not to healthcare.

Yet education, transportation and healthcare all seem to cost more every year, while at the same time being worth less. 

 

 

15 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Yet education, transportation and healthcare all seem to cost more every year, while at the same time being worth less. 

 

 

Yet, as the topic states, tens of millions of people want healthcare, and many more take advantage of transportation and education.

3 hours ago, heybruce said:

Yet, as the topic states, tens of millions of people want healthcare, and many more take advantage of transportation and education.

It's all they have. 

 

 

On 1/15/2024 at 6:41 PM, Yellowtail said:

It's all they have. 

 

 

Yes, it's a good thing it's available to them.

On 1/11/2024 at 11:04 AM, freeworld said:

Americans are very fortunate to have their govt looking out for them.

 

Unlimited opportunities to work, ACA, 401K, govt pensions when retire. Yes taxes have to be paid (and there are generous breaks) but later in life no one is left behind.

 

No wonder the rest of the world are trying to move there.

We can afford to have trillions spend  to support corporate greed and wars around the world, but not enough to take care of our citizens

IMO those who seem to be arguing against their personal and national interest resemble cattle cheering for the butchers while being marched to the slaughter house . 

  Hey!! look at those idiots being slaughter at the front of the line, what a bunch of rubes!! good for us who are not at the front of the line!

Yet.

12 hours ago, heybruce said:

Yes, it's a good thing it's available to them.

The left ruins something, and then by throwing a few crumbs to the people they ruined it for they think the people should be grateful. 

 

Got it. 

On 1/11/2024 at 10:15 AM, placeholder said:

"With six days left to still get covered, 8 million more Americans have signed up for ACA coverage than when I took office,"

 

14 hours ago, heybruce said:

Yes, it's a good thing it's available to them.

 

You do get that he's bragging that more people need gub'ment assistance to afford their expenses?

 

It's like bragging that the soup kitchen is serving more homeless than ever before...

 

Kudos to the soup kitchen.  But why are more people in need?

 

8 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

The left ruins something, and then by throwing a few crumbs to the people they ruined it for they think the people should be grateful. 

 

Got it. 

When you have no facts on your side, you rely on fact-free rants.

 

Got it.