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Provisional Decision Today: ICJ Weighs Emergency Measures Amid Allegations of Genocide in Gaza


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1 minute ago, sungod said:

If your Hamas mates hadn't caused genocide, rape, murder, mutilation desecration of bodies etc etc etc on October the 7th, thousands of people would still be alive. You should take your beef with them perhaps.

 

Thousands of people were already dead. That's why Hamas attacked on October 7.

 

I'll take my beef with both sides, thanks.

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2 minutes ago, sungod said:

Yep, OK for the rape and mutilation, torture and taking of hostages.

 

Strange you find that OK.......

 

 

 

Much weirder and very creepy that you accuse me of finding that to be OK.

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1 hour ago, Wobblybob said:

It must be very disappointing for you that the decision didn't go the terrorists way, but never mind eh.

 

This is exactly why Israel now has to defend themselves in the ICJ over the next few months and years. No separation between Hamas and Palestinians. Discourse like this is precisely why.  

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7 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

Maybe you noticed that Israel is not only killing Hamas. They kill every Palestinian including many innocent women and children. And they go on and on and on and don't stop.

But I guess you wouldn't call that a mistake - because they do it on purpose. 

 

Civilians get killed in wars. Fact.

The fighting is mostly carried out in densely populated urban zones. Fact.

Hamas is doing it's best to put the population in harm's way. Fact.

If Israel had not care, or was actually targeting civilians, the death toll would be way higher. Fact.

 

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Minutes after yesterdays ICJ rulings, the Hamas terrorists released another shocking under duress video of 3 female hostages saying they don't have much time left, an hour glass is also shown. Its a spit in the eye to the court, Israel and the families

 

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https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1750894777627808182

 

Hamas publishes new propaganda clip showing 3 Israeli hostages in Gaza

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https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/hamas-publishes-new-propaganda-clip-showing-3-israeli-hostages-in-gaza/

 

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From today’s @CIJ_ICJ ruling:
 “The order then states that the court deems it necessary to emphasize that all parties to the conflict in the Gaza Strip are bound by international humanitarian law.

It is 𝐠𝐫𝐚𝐯𝐞𝐥𝐲 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐜𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐞𝐝 𝐚𝐛𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐟𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐡𝐨𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐠𝐞𝐬 abducted during the attack in Israel on 7 October 2023 and held since then by Hamas and other armed groups and calls for their  𝐢𝐦𝐦𝐞𝐝𝐢𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐮𝐧𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐝𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐚𝐥 𝐫𝐞𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐞.”

 

 

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1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I read in multiple media that Israel said they won't stop, even if all hostages are released.

And about the leaflets and moving: How many people should move how often and where to? Is there still any place Palestinians can go without the risk of being killed? And then there is all the destruction and hunger and little drinking water and all that.

 

If Israel doesn't kill every single Palestinians then they can be sure that they made enough enemies for the future to come. So what do they do? Kill everybody and make sure there are no homes and infrastructure anymore for Palestinians to return. And obviously with American weapons and more or less American support. The Americans could convince them to stop. They don't. Sad. 

 

 

You read. Given the carefree manner in which you inject things into posts and discussion on this, it would be easier to address this if it was clear what you're talking about. Who said what, and when, in which context etc.

 

I don't think there's a limit on moving people around. Not if the other option is them being placed in a life-risking situation. It's a war, and wars aren't pretty. Hamas are not exactly making things safer for them, are they? Or is this a non-issue?

 

As for your last paragraph, you could have said the same about Hamas attacking Israel. But you do not. One way street for you, as usual. Seems like the way you construe this conflict in your mind is that it involves only two main actors, Israel and the USA.

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US maintains genocide allegations against Israel are unfounded, after ICJ ruling

The United States stands by its position that South Africa’s genocide case against Israel at the International Court of Justice is “unfounded,” in its first response to the court’s decision to move forward with a case against Israel while stopping short of ordering an immediate ceasefire in Gaza.

“We continue to believe that allegations of genocide are unfounded and note the court did not make a finding about genocide or call for a ceasefire in its ruling and that it called for the unconditional, immediate release of all hostages being held by Hamas,” a US State Department spokesperson tells The Times of Israel.

“The court’s ruling is consistent with our view that Israel has the right to take action to ensure the terrorist attacks of October 7 cannot be repeated, in accordance with international law,” the spokesperson adds.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/us-maintains-genocide-allegations-against-israel-are-unfounded-after-icj-ruling/

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1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

They wimped out of calling for a ceasefire, but did the next best thing.

Of course the israelis will ignore it, and the US and Britain will do the usual, but it will encourage countries on the fence to perhaps come down on the side of justice.

 

@thaibeachlovers

 

Wimped out, says a wannabe legal expert.

 

What will Israel 'ignore', exactly? And is that a prediction you just posted? Thought you were against using 'crystal balls'.

 

Your last line is where it's at - you do not actually care about more death, destruction and suffering - you even welcome it so long as it 'scores' points.

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1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Very sad.

Even if they killed every Palestinian in Gaza, there are more in the west bank and apparently millions outside israel. If ever a nation wanted to be living under attack ( even if only attacks on individuals ) for ever, it is israel, creating new enemies every day.

 

Perhaps not now, perhaps not for years, but IMO israelis will come to rue the day they decided to massacre an entire population that was under their control, and was virtually defenseless against the might of the israeli army.

 

IMO America will also come to regret the day their leaders chose to supply israel with the means to to do so, and Britain will also get some of that.

 

Seems like the Europeans might be having second thoughts about supporting israel, judging by comments heard on Al Jazeera ( not supposed to link to Al Jazeera, so won't give one ).

 

 

@thaibeachlovers

 

What's sad is your inability to apply reason to your own comments.

 

Somehow, when Palestinians do their best to kill Israelis, that's for you a legit, commendable, act of struggle which carries no negative implications. But Israel killing Palestinians? OMG....that's so bad. Try this for size - each Israeli killed by Palestinians creates a new enemy for the Palestinians. Shouldn't be very difficult to grasp, even for you.

 

Other than in your wild imagination, Israel did not decided to massacre an entire population. You're just spewing bile and nonsense. Virtually defenseless? Then maybe don't start wars you can't win. Also - 7/10. Something which you do your best to minimize.

 

If comments made were quite as clear as you make them to be, they would be carried by acceptable sources, which you could link.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

The USA does not say everything Israel does is right. Even Israel owns up (now and then) when things are obviously wrong. That's just a general untrue statement you offer in order to lay the ground for your 'argument'. As for the prescribed optimal reaction - this would require seeing the ICJ as neutral, unbiased and so on. Holding this position is a choice. You think judges from Russia, China or Muslim countries are going to rule against the wishes of their governments, people? Given the history of anti-Israel decision by such international bodies (same problems of representation on most), raising such doubts is reasonable. Israel gets more condemnations on the UN bodies than any other country. One would have thought that there are other issues in the world, some maybe of greater magnitude, but no. Check how many of the countries involved in such bodies are democratic, allow the sort of freedoms they raise issue vs. Israel with and so on. Half amusing, half infuriating.

 

If what you commented was right, Israel would have just ignored the proceedings. It's not a must to partake, to present it's case and so on. The reality is runs counter to what you claim.

 

I don't know that Israel blamed the court with 'antisemitic' bias, or if that's your own version. There was criticism for sure, and that's to be expected. Why wouldn't there be criticism? It's normal. This 'Jews can't be wrong' tired bit, is something you tend to offer, much less support.

 

On the flip side, don't recall you having that many issues with countries and groups who's attitude is the Hamas 7/10 attack and subsequent actions are justified.

The USA is the only country which could make Israel stop the bombing and supplying desperately needed food and medicine to the Palestinians. But Biden, and others talk and don't really do anything substantial.

Israels settlers are invading and occupying the land of the Palestine people since decades. And it seems this gets worse. And it's supported by the Israeli government and against international law. It's no surprise that Israel is constantly accused. There are good reasons for that. If they would stop the illegal settlers and if they would try to live in peace with their neighbors then a lot more people would like them and support them.

 

Hamas <> Palestine. I understand that Israel is fighting Hamas, they have good reasons for that. But it is not helpful that they ignore all the presumed innocent Palestinian civilians. Israel could fight Hamas and only Hamas. But that is not what they are doing. If they see 10 Hamas fighters surrounded by 100 Palestinian civilians they just bomb them all and don't care. With that attitude they shouldn't be surprised that many people protest against Israels government. 

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1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The problem for israel with that is that like with the boy that called wolf, many just ignore it now, as it's been so overused to try and protect zionists from attack by anyone.

 

@thaibeachlovers

 

7/10 was 'cry wolf'?

 

 

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43 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   And the Hamas murderers and rapists and baby killers and war criminals need to be bought to justice as well .

   Mass murdering innocent people and then taking hostages and offering to release the hostages on the condition that the mass murdering is forgotten about and the killers don't face justice ?

   Law and order doesn't work like that 

Yes, Hamas war criminals should be punished. Not every single Palestinian including many children. 

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1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

At the least, Netanyahu and Biden will not be able to prance about proclaiming that the highest court on the planet says it's OK to bomb thousands of women and children to bits while starving them to death.

 

@thaibeachlovers

 

Highest court in the Planet? Is that your legal 'expertise' on display again? Or maybe something picked up from the illustrious AJ?

And, of course, there was no such 'prancing' as you paint. Just you and your bile machine on.

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So many delusional posts in the one thread - truly remarkable - but understandable.  Is the Court going to put Hamas on trial for what they did, are now doing, and have been doing for decades? The UN has issued lots of 'condemnations' to Israel, but none to Hamas or Hezbolla etc.

 

Israel has had enough and is going to destroy Hamas (and its supporters). 

Hamas are deliberately hiding behnd their people - quote 'a necessary sacrifice".

Israel will ee-occupy Gaza and try to keep a firm lid on the terrorists.

The West Bank terrorists are on notice - as is all others supporting Islamic terrorists.

 

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18 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Civilians get killed in wars. Fact.

The fighting is mostly carried out in densely populated urban zones. Fact.

Hamas is doing it's best to put the population in harm's way. Fact.

If Israel had not care, or was actually targeting civilians, the death toll would be way higher. Fact.

 

 

Israel could try to minimize civilian casualties. But that's not what they do. They call them animals and slaughter them. And then they are surprised when someone brings them in front of an internation court. 

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5 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

The USA is the only country which could make Israel stop the bombing and supplying desperately needed food and medicine to the Palestinians. But Biden, and others talk and don't really do anything substantial.

Israels settlers are invading and occupying the land of the Palestine people since decades. And it seems this gets worse. And it's supported by the Israeli government and against international law. It's no surprise that Israel is constantly accused. There are good reasons for that. If they would stop the illegal settlers and if they would try to live in peace with their neighbors then a lot more people would like them and support them.

 

Hamas <> Palestine. I understand that Israel is fighting Hamas, they have good reasons for that. But it is not helpful that they ignore all the presumed innocent Palestinian civilians. Israel could fight Hamas and only Hamas. But that is not what they are doing. If they see 10 Hamas fighters surrounded by 100 Palestinian civilians they just bomb them all and don't care. With that attitude they shouldn't be surprised that many people protest against Israels government. 

The ICJ didn’t call on Israel to stop its military campaign against Hamas. 

It did call on Hamas to release the hostages—immediately and unconditionally.

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1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

 

Thousands of people were already dead. That's why Hamas attacked on October 7.

 

I'll take my beef with both sides, thanks.

 

@ozimoron

 

You do not have any 'beef' with the Palestinians. You do not have much 'beef' with the Hamas, even.

Your post are almost entirely about Israel.

 

And no, there weren't thousands dead on 6/10.

You want to minimize Hamas 7/10 attack, normalize it, justify it? Go right ahead. Don't whine about being called a Hamas fanboy, though.

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15 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

You read. Given the carefree manner in which you inject things into posts and discussion on this, it would be easier to address this if it was clear what you're talking about. Who said what, and when, in which context etc.

 

I don't think there's a limit on moving people around. Not if the other option is them being placed in a life-risking situation. It's a war, and wars aren't pretty. Hamas are not exactly making things safer for them, are they? Or is this a non-issue?

 

As for your last paragraph, you could have said the same about Hamas attacking Israel. But you do not. One way street for you, as usual. Seems like the way you construe this conflict in your mind is that it involves only two main actors, Israel and the USA.

Yes, Hamas killed innocent Israelis.

And Israel kills maybe 10 times more innocent Palestinians.

One wrong doesn't make another wrong right. 

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54 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Much weirder and very creepy that you accuse me of finding that to be OK.

 

@ozimoron

 

You hardly reference it.

You try to minimize it.

You try to justify it.

 

Creepy is as creepy does.

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35 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

 

This is exactly why Israel now has to defend themselves in the ICJ over the next few months and years. No separation between Hamas and Palestinians. Discourse like this is precisely why.  

 

No, that's just you making up stuff.

If Israel was into slaughtering all of them, death toll would be way way higher.

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3 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

No, that's just you making up stuff.

If Israel was into slaughtering all of them, death toll would be way way higher.

Exactly - if Israel wanted to they could wipe all of Gaza off the map.

 

It is logic and reason against emotions and feelings. I have found that debating with most pro-Palestinian people is like arguing with your mother-in-law about your wife. They are so 'insane' I saw people holding up "LBGTQ for Palestine" signs - when reality is that they would be killed if they had entered Gaza or West Bank. Reality and Palestinian supporters are not on the same page. 

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